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post #121 of 152

I currently own some beat up Salomon X-Wave 10 boots, and I was looking for something new. I'm 5'11, I weigh about 170 lbs. I've broken 6 pairs of skis in the past 4 years, currently I'm skiing on Machete Sins 185. I ski moguls and trees, no big jumps or anything. I've tried Dalbello Krypton Cross boots, and although they were quite comfortable, I found them to be way to soft for my liking, even when the salesman put them at their stiffest (or so he said). Foot-shape speaking, I don't fit into Head and Nordicas at all, and not so much into Tecnicas.

1- What boots could you recommend me other than X-Waves?
2- Are Krypton Pros noticeably stiffer than the Crosses? How do they compare to the X-Waves?

Thanks for your time,
post #122 of 152
Hi Jeff,

I am 33 yrs old, 6'0, 167 lbs, size 10.5 regular "street" shoe. Left arch is slightly higher than right. I just started Masters racing last year (never raced before), but I've been free skiing since I was 7 years old.

I've owned a pair of Doberman WC 150 (I forgot the boot size, but a large number 8 is on the bottom) for one year and have raced/skied in them about a half 6-8 times. This is my first pair of plug boots (I previously had a pair of Alpina GS boots which I picked up about 10 years ago) My footbeds from my previous pair of boots fit in the 150's perfectly. I usually go to second notch on the upper buckles, although I took them to the third notch this last weekend on a Masters GS race and I liked the extra responsiveness I got.

Here are my questions:

1. I have not had a single adjustment made to the boots. The boots, while exceptionally snug, seemed to fit really well right out of the box. (That's not to say they are easy to get on or off! And I also unbuckle them every trip up the chairlift.) I've never heard of this happening before, especially for this type of boot. Am I missing something here?? The race shop I purchased them at was pretty surprised that my footbeds fit so well, and they encouraged me to go try the boots and come back with my thoughts. But I haven't felt the need.

2. What are your thoughts on adjusting the rear quick set spoiler? I haven't adjusted it once. Is this more of a gimmick, or something I should definitely trying experimenting with?

3. What are your thoughts on installing the included Direct Drive Spoiler?
I haven't installed it yet.

4. Any other comments about things I should be looking out for or considering with this boot?

5. Is that number 8 on the bottom the boot size?

post #123 of 152

I am just getting back in to skiing after a 4 year break. I am 25years old, 250lb, 5foot 9inches tall, and reasonably fit. I am an intermediate – level 4/5.

Problem is that I have an issue finding boots that fit my calf – 51cm without socks!
The last couple of times I have hired boots, we have had to modify them slightly with zip ties around the clips and Velcro straps…

My foot is just “medium/just a little bigger than medium” in size, never had a problem finding work shoes or running shoes

1) Could you please recommend a boot that’s going to offer adequate space around the calf

Thanks and Best Regards,
post #124 of 152

new boot recommendations/suggestions

hi jeff,
you are doing an awesome job, and we are really fortunate to have your input....
anyway i need to get new boots and i would appreciate some suggestions...

i am 160 lbs, level 8/9 skier, aggressive, like fast gs turns, 70/30-on/off piste, foot size 26.5, 100mm forefoot, above avg instep, small heel, little or no pronation, currently using nordica 26.5 K9.1, with >200 days, and need to be retired....skiing done in lake tahoe on mostly sierra cement...
i like forward lean, as i learned to ski on long boards that needed tip engagement to turn.....current skis are 175 cm atomic M:exs......

1. some recommended boots, please........thanks, mon

down the way where the knights are gay, and the sun be jamming.....
post #125 of 152
- advanced skier
- 6'2''/185cm
- 74kg/163lb
- 80% on piste. 20 % off
- like some speed, but Québec "mountains" don't seem made for it...

- 285mm length
- 105mm forefoot (D-width)
- size 11 to 11 1/2 US
- broad but skinny feet

Just moved from Europe to Québec, and bought some boots, after which I discovered this forum (should have been other way round).

After trying about 5 different models (Atomic, Technica, Lange, Nordica, Rossi), the Head S9's felt best.
Had rented a pair of Edges some years before and had good experience with them.
Tried a pair of 29.0 and 28.5: in the 29.0's my toe touched the end of the shoe, but not when flexing, in 28.5 toes touched also when flexing. So bought the 29.0

Tried them on the slopes (hardpack, excellent conditions with different good demo skis as Rossi Z9, XRC800, ...)

Had some heel lift and the feeling that I didn't control the skis as I wanted. So the guy put in a pair of heel-lifters.
Back to the slopes: on the perfectly groomed slope I had good control over the skis, but still wanted to be firmer in the boot. Had the idea that the width is perfect, but that my rearfoot/ankle was still a bit loose.

Although, after 5 hours of skiing my feet felt really comfortable, didn't have to buckle up to maximum (which I did in other boots, causing pain).

Now they put in an extra sole and put in the little pieces that came with the boot to narrow the heel (over the complete length), haven't tried them yet on the slopes.

So here my questions:
1) is the S9 a good type of boot for my type of feet ?
2) 29.0 size too large (I tried shell fitting: 1,5 cm room, 28.5 felt too small) ?
3) should I consider Lange's WC 120 FR (was proposed to me as an alternative, but in shop conditions felt too narrow in the front, and think they won't hve enough flex. Also, they're quite heavy in comparison with the S9).
4) some people tell me that you're always able to lift your heel a bit (when standing upright) in a good fitting boot. True ?

As you might have imagined: the shop just 'sells' equipment, they're no real fitters (have to do the research myself...)

Thx !
post #126 of 152
Height 5'9"
Weight 140lbs.
Skier type (top level, don't know the number)
Preferred terrain (firm snow, groomed, but can ski anything in control)

1. Need liners to replace old TNT liners in my Explosion 8 shells. I'm a size 23 in the old TNT/Explosion shells (279mm). In the new Tecnica series I'm a size 22.

I love this shell, it's got a firm flex, good heel hold, perfect ramp angle and forward lean, adjustable arch, flex, and forward lean, it's perfect for me with no adjustments. I need liners and I need 'em bad. Any suggestions on how to get some to fit this shell would be appreciated?

2. Why don't ski boot manufacturers make a boot with a wide toe box to let the toes relax and spread out?

3. I need a boot with a wide toe area, snug heel pocket, firm flex race plug type boot without the thin liner since I'm skiing in it all day, everyday. My foot is not narrow, it's short and wide. Any suggestions?
post #127 of 152
Personal Background
Age: 49
Years sking: 4
Height: 5' 8"
Weight: 195 lbs.
Ski: Head iC160 163 cm
Current Boots: Dalbello Avanti V9 (25.5 shell)
Socks: Euro Elite Thin
Skiing Level: Low Level 8 and improving with lessons. Groomer skier with a few NASTAR runs.

Foot Description
Size, left: 9
Size, right: 8-1/2
Width: 98-1/2 mm
Left foot pronated
No special needs for street shoes.
No bony protrusions or other foot anomalies.
Other measurements:
Forefoot circumference: 27 cm (ball joint to joint behind little toe)
Instep circumference: 25 cm (I would describe my instep/arch as low, or perhaps just medium)
Heel circumference: 33 cm (measure from heel to bend where lower leg meets instep)
Ankle circumference: 25 cm (measured above ankle bones)
Calf circumference: 29 cm

My current boots feel right in the forefoot area. When shell fit, I have very little room to wiggle, side to side. Perhaps bordering on too tight here, but I have no pain when skiing.

The heel area feels wide, as I am using the Dalbello supplied heel cups along with a few layers of duct tape on the sides of the liner's heel area to get a more secure hold. Although the shell fit is about right behind the heel (< 3/4"), I feel like I have too much room in the instep area. To me, this makes the boots feel too big. However, I ski with all four buckles on the second notch.

My current boots have an adjustable forward lean. I have skied them at both the 9 degree and 11 degree settings. I don't detect any difference, but I am comfortable in that range.

Also, I have a natural abducted stance, if that makes any difference in your recommendations.

Replace current boots with a higher performance boot and one that fits my foot better.


1. Given I have good access to Nordica, Atomic and Salomon boots, can you recommend some models I should try?
2. Since my left foot is bigger, is that the foot that I should use when shell sizing?

Thank you Jeff.
post #128 of 152
Hi Jeff,

Thanks for taking the time to answer all these questions! I'm looking for some boots to go with my new Volkl Allstars which I got for my birthday.

Male skier, 22 years old, 5 foot 6, 150 lbs, have skied about 1 week a year since I was a little kid. 20-30 days a year the last 4 years.
Ski about 80/20 on/offpiste in Europe. I guess I'm about a level 8.

I currently have Salomon Performa 8 boots, never needed bootfitting and fit right out of the box. Bought them 6 years ago but I feel the need for some new boot because they packed out alot the last time I skied, had to crank up the buckles to the max to get a tight fit, resulting in cramps under the middle of my feet. I'm looking at the Salomon Falcon 9 or 10, because the Performa's fitted my feet.

I've measured my feet
Length: 260mm
Forefoot: 95mm
Heel: 60mm
Calf: 380mm

Do you think the Falcon's are the right way to look?
2. If not which direction should I look. If yes, any similar models from other brands which I should try?

Thank you very much!
post #129 of 152
Hi Jeff,

Male, 47 yrs old, 5'10", 165#, PSIA level 7/8, ski patroller, ski mainly on midwest groomers, but go out west every yr.

I have extremely narrow feet. "A" to "B" width! plus my L foot is a 12.5 and my R is a 11.5. I am currently on Lange Comp 120's LF size 11, 3rd season on them. The LF's were even too roomy. I have all kinds of assorted foam attached to the liner to improve fit, and have custom insoles. My bootfitter sized me in a 11 and ground out the toe on the L boot. Plus I have really skinny ankles and use a "Booster Strap".

I am trying to improve my technique, but have been told that I cannot flex my boot enough to allow the improvement I'd like.

1. To soften the boot, should I remove one or both of the screws on the backs of the boots, as an instructor suggested, or should I have a bootfitter soften it?

2. As my boots have 100+ days already, should I get a softer boot such as the Comp 100? As it only comes in a MF shell, should I try a size 10 and have the toes ground again? (I'm a Lange guy!)

3. What about this more radical approach.......I get a Woman's Lange Exclusive 100 or Comp 120W in the biggest size they make and have my bootfitter grind as much toe away as possible! My feet are so narrow anyway! Would the 120 be too stiff?

Thank you,
post #130 of 152
Hi Jeff,

Hope all is well. Great thread. Lots of great info. Thanks in advance.

Background: male skier, 150lbs, 5 foot 10, athletic, advanced aggressive skier, aspiring expert. Like to ski on and off piste.

Specs: I have an average forefoot (D width) but a narrow heel, narrow calf and low instep. Street shoe is 9.5, running shoes 10. Normal width.

Current set up: 26.0 X-wave 9's. The length doesn't feel too bad but the ankle,instep, heel area have packed out a lot and I'm swimming. Length of foot is about 260mm. If I try 25's or 25.5's, they seem a bit small and painful but the heel fit is better. If I try 26's or 26.5's, they heel is looser and I worry that they will pack out again

1. Can you recommend some boots that would fit my foot type?
2. Would you recommend me squeezing into a 25/25.5 or a 26/26.5?
3. Was the x-wave 9 just a bad fit for my feet from the beginning or was it the wrong shell size?
4. What flex would you recommend for someone of my size and ability?

Thanks for your help
post #131 of 152

Toe room suggestions?

Hej Jeff.

I have spent my last 7seasons skiing and patrolling almost every day in Scarpa XT’s modified with Flexon tongue, and Strolz liners.

Now I’m searching for som stiffer replacement.
The ideal boot would have walk mode, and rubber soles, But they don’t come stiffer then my "frankenboots"

High end Technica and Salomon fits my thin calves, and a bit high instep. But they tuck in to much on the inside towards the toe box, so my big toes are getting squeezed.
Atomic wide-fit models are too wide, both in the cuff and the front with the standard liners. Maybe Strolz would fill them in the font, but not in the cuff.
I would like to try the Full-tilt's, but they are not available yet in Scandinavia. And I suspect they are as pointy as Flexons where?
Do you have any suggestions?

Best regards, Gunnar.
post #132 of 152
Sorry Jeff, i missed the rules of this thread. And now its to late to edit.


1: Wich shells do have a straight inside of toebox?

2:How are the inside of the toebox shaped on FullTilt's? (Straighter or more pointy, compared to Falcons and Diablos if possible?)

3: Is there any stiffer options with walk mode then Scarpa Tornados, and Garmont Endorfine?

4: How are the Gran Sport shells shaped, compared to the boots in question nr2?

Thx in advance, from the tip of my big toes

post #133 of 152
Hi Jeff,

I have a question about my boots and why they feel very different before and after lunch during the day.

BG Info: male, level 7 or 8, 195lbs, skis are 2006 Atomic Metron B5's, boots are 2005 Salomon X-Wave 10's. Been told by some random "boot fitters" that I have a very wide foot and a collapsing arch. I have an after market foot bed, but not custom. Also have a pair of wedges under the heels because my foot used to come up off the bottom.

My problem is that my boots feel like they vary in volume a lot during the day. In the morning, they are very tight (even when opened and cause minor discomfort) and when closed they feel too tight and give me some discomfort. I open them up between every run because otherwise it hurts too much to keep them tightened. If I don't keep them so tight then my foot comes up off the bottom on hard runs and they are too loose.

Then we usually do lunch and I take them off for about 20-30 min.

When I put them on after lunch, they feel like they grew a little in size and are not not tight at all when opened. Then I close them up and they get tight enough, but no more discomfort at all. I mean none, it's like they were molded onto my foot! They are also not too loose so somehow they fit great after lunch. This happens every day and I can't figure out why. I thought it might have to do with the foam compressing and such, but it just makes no sense to me.

1) How can I loosen my boots up before putting them on the 1st time of the day?
2) Would heat molding or any other type of modification help?
3) Anything else I can do to get me just a bit more volume in the boot in the morning?

post #134 of 152
- Male, 28, 5’10 & 195lbs.
- Level 8 Skier, 15-20 days a year (50% east-50% west), want to start doing more off piste.
- Size 10-10.5 foot. Wide foot, short toes, fairly thick ankles and calves.
- Left ankle is also quite a bit bigger (10%) due to breakages (sheared growth-plate, 2 each tib&fib breaks, ruptured Achilles, & necrotizing fascitis - flesh eating disease to you and me- leaving a 2 inch round section right above the bottom of the tibia with no flesh and very sensitive.)
- Boots: Rossi Power 70, 2 Years old (25 days), no work ever done to them.
- Ski in question, 178 Dynastar Legend 8000 w/px-12Ti lifter.

Left side boot fits great, heal is sucked in tight but the ankle is also quite a bit bigger (see above). I can wear the boot on the 2nd/3rd notch on all the buckles & the boot never feels tight, is comfortable and doesn’t move around. So that's the GOOD leg when skiing...

Question 1)
My right, the heel lifts which makes me crank my boot tight, tight enough that the spoiler digs into the bottom of my calf and rubs it raw/bruises it after about 3 days of skiing in a row. How can I stop the heel lift without over tightening the boot? Is padding/shimming under only this heel lead to instability?

2) More painfully and annoyingly is when I'm skiing easy everything is fine, but pushing on the steeps, my right big toe pushes against the front of my boot (has lots of room in the toe regularly) and it hurts and feels like my big toe is leading the turn (i.e. my heel wants to rotate around outside of my big toe). What can I do here?

3) Are these boots just not for me? I got them on a great deal and were initially very comfortable on both feet, but the right’s getting progressively worse. I don’t mind moving on if needed. I know they are a failry soft flex. I don't know if that's a problem, but I don't want race boots...

post #135 of 152
Howdy Jeff:

First, thanks for the great advice. I must have a boot fixation, this thread has been very informative, I've read every page.

Background: Male skier, 46 years old, 5ft10, 200, Fit a 10.5/11/D-Width (no Italian shoes for me) street shoe with medium instep. I have a thick build, thick thighs and muscular calves. I grew up skiing in western Montana, but am currently living in the flatlands of Dallas. An aggressive all-day skier skiing honestly at a level 7 (working on getting back to an 8), love steeps, carving turns, and some off-piste. My current setup is Dalbello DX 12 Performance, circa 1999-2000, and new Volkl AC-3s. It's hard to find aggressive boots in Dallas, but I've fit Nordica Beast 12 at a 28, and Tecnica Diablo Magnesium at a 28.5. Both felt way too flexie, but the Nordica's felt extremely comfortable walking around the shop.

1. I've read the reviews, and am considering Nordica Speedmachine 14's, Atomic M110's, and Dalbello Proton 12's. Do any of those seem like a better fit than the other for me? I'll be ordering any of these, and am open to other suggestions.
2) I'm curious about your comments to other questioners about forward lean. Should I be concerned about the forward lean of the boot given my style and frame?


post #136 of 152
Hey Jeff,

I am in the process of replacing my old boots and would appreciate your advice. I am a 55 year old man, 6’0” and 180 lbs. I have instructed in the past, been a race coordinator, and currently ski around 80-90 days annually since I am retired. My present boots, Tecnica Icon X (27.5/312mm), have about 200+ days and are getting packed out plus top buckle strap is starting to tear. The Tecnica boots have custom Superfeet foot beds and my traced foot measurements are length: 270mm, forefoot: 96mm, and heel: 66mm.

I have had two surgeries to remove bone spurs from the left front inside ankle about five years ago – used to ski Lange race boots. Consequently, when I bought the Tecnica boots I modified them by pulling out that portion of the bladder adjacent to that area on my ankle and replacing it with some rubberized-gel material I got that prevents rubbing for ice skaters. Also, I put a couple of thicker band-aids on both sides of the area so the boot contact is raised above it. Plus, I ice the area after skiing. This has worked well enough to allow me to ski all day and prevent any additional problems with spurs. No other problems except the bone spur area.

I would like a newer boot that might accommodate my instep/ankle area but still be a softer-flexing boot similar to my Tecnica’s. I’m hoping I can find a soft-flexing boot without sacrificing higher performance. My questions to you:

1) I am looking at some new ’04 Tecnica Icon Alu Hot Form boots since you mentioned that the new Tecnica’s have a different ramp and flex angle. Would this be a good choice?
2) What about the Hot Form . . durability?
3) Are there better boot models you could recommend that would be similar to my old Tecnica’s in flex/ramp and still accommodate my ankle area?
4) Any other ideas/accessories that might alleviate contact with my ankle area?

Thanks in advance for your help . . it is very much appreciated,
post #137 of 152

custom insoles

Hi Jeff,
I had custom insoles created for my everyday shoes. Will they work in my ski boots?

post #138 of 152
Hi Jeff

You're doing a sterling job here - thanks! I'll try and put this as concisely as I can

My stats: Female, age nearly 37, height 5'6", weight 66 kg. Type II skier, I ski around 30 days a year, exclusively in Europe, probably heading into advanced territory now - can ski anything on piste, just venturing off piste and into powder. Goal is to be able to ski anything anywhere within reason (not interested in the park, steep icy couloirs, chest-deep powder, jumping off cliffs etc).

My current boots are Salomon X Wave 8 women's version, now in their 4th season, with Conformable footbeds. Size 26.0 although I should probably be in a 25/25.5 I suspect. I tried various brands last time round and couldn't actually get into a 25 Lange or Lowa I tried when buying the current boots as they made my toes overlap and I couldn't actually get my heel down in them at all. Having never had a proper bootfitting session yet, I have tended to go large owing to long toes, especially the big toe. With the exception of the forward lean, the current boots have been very comfortable until this year as the liner packed out.

I took a leaf out of someone else's book and drew round my feet on paper to measure them:
L: Length 250 mm, forefoot (ball), 95 mm, ankle width 50 mm, calf diameter at widest point (above boot top) 375 mm, ankle diameter just above ankle bone 230 mm
R: Length 250 mm, forefoot 86 mm, ankle width 55 mm, diameter at widest point (above boot top) 350 mm, ankle diameter just above ankle bone 230 mm
My toes are pretty long (big toe approx 80 mm) and my big toe is about 5/8" longer than the next toe.

In my late teens I tore the ligaments in my ankles (outside) very badly (left age 16, right age 17) and the UK health service refused to give me crutches or any physiotherapy - I was left to negotiate a 10-mile commute to school on public transport by hopping on my good foot with the sole assistance of one of my grandmother's old walking sticks. Now, 20 years later, this is beginning to bite me on the bum: both feet over-pronate, both achilles tendons are diagonal, soleus on both legs is tight and short - with all of these the left foot/leg is worse than the right. I also have very little ankle flex and my soleus feels stretched even just standing (some mornings after skiing the day before it can take several minutes for me just to get my heel on the floor). In ski boots it feels at 100% capacity just standing, as if it's about to snap.

Owing to the pronation I often catch inside edges, and walking in ski boots on ice on their inside edges is a decidedly precarious occupation. I discovered recently during a drill in a lesson that I lean on my ski poles as often as possible to reduce the strain on my soleus. It seems I also take as much weight as possible on my thighs to relieve the calf. Fairly large heel lifts were put in my boots to ease the problem, which they seem to have done to an extent. I have always had a problem with the forward lean in the current boots when not actually skiing. When skiing it has, until recently, been OK but standing or walking puts a huge strain on my soleus and thighs and I end up constantly changing my weigh-bearing foot in cable cars, restaurant queues etc. The problem is only when weight-bearing - sitting down is painless. An additional problem is that I frequently get cramp at the base of my 3rd toe on each foot - in all footwear and even with bare feet.

I am currently taking a course of therapy to correct the pronation and improve my physical alignment, which is proving pretty successful, and am looking for a boot fit to complement/support this therapy. I am planning on going to a recommended bootfitter in France in about 3 weeks time so it would be really helpful if you had time to answer my questions.

So to the questions:

1. Can you recommend any brands and models of boot that might suit?

2. Given what you have said in previous answers about forward lean, would you advise me to avoid Tecnicas, even though they seem to have a wide range of volumes?

3. Would you advise me to keep heel lifts in any boots regardless?

4. Given the therapy to correct the over-pronation, would you expect me to need new footbeds too?

5. In view of my limited ankle flex, would you recommend a boot that is on the stiff side or the soft side?

I hope this (excessive) information is actually useful to you. Thanks a million in advance.

post #139 of 152

First boots

Female novice from the Uk, aged nearly 50, 5'7", 190lbs (and reducing!). Level 2? skier (1 week's holiday & achieved 'recreational level' at local indoor snow slope in UK - can link snowplough turns & use lifts ok). Want to be able to confidently do blue runs & cope with the odd bit of ice without panic - ie be a social skier hopefully going to resorts 1-2 times a year & visiting the indoor centres in the UK too with friends.

Normal shoe size UK 8 (the largest 'ladies' size), moderately wide at front, hammer toes, average heel & average calves. Have rented size 26.5 boots (Salomon 3-buckle rear entry unisex). They seem OK in length but even with fairly new ones with padding less compressed, using tightest buckle setting, my heel can lift especially after 10-15 mins wear and when turning I can feel my foot move a bit in the boot before the ski turns.

4 years ago I v badly broke/dislocated my ankle (not skiing!) which had to be surgically repaired. My calf on that leg is still smaller, and I have less good balance on that foot. When no weight is on the foot the ankle looks totally normal, but as soon as I stand on it, I get what I think's called pronation - it looks as if I am rolling my foot over to the inside so the ankle protrudes on the inside. Have had NO pain when wearing ski boots or after skiing, except with the very 1st pair I used, as I think the boots stabilise the ankle in a fairly good position.

1. What type of boot should I look for? Ladies, unisex or men's? Or as I am so inexperienced should I stick to rental boots and resist the temptation to blame any problems with technique on the boots??

2. What would your advice be about my ankle condition when getting boots fitted - I have seen people in the Ellis Brigham store at the snow slope, standing on a machine in bare feet (not sure what they are doing to be honest) - but I wonder if that would result in a bad fit because of the pronation that happens when ankle is weight bearing unsupported? If the shop guys have not seen this before, what should I suggest we do to get a good fit?

3. Would a heat fit inner be good or might they mould it to my ankle's unstable pronated shape and create a problem?
post #140 of 152
Hey Jeff,

I'm 6'1", 190 lbs, aggressive/advanced skier (some race experience), ski mostly off-piste powder/crud but also love carving on hardpack, have a somewhat wide (10.8 cm) foot with flat feet.

I'm currently on x-wave 8.0s (28.5), and while I like the fit, they're a bit too roomy and soft (not sure if this is a function of the boot's construction or its size).

I'm thinking about a new, more aggressive, but lower volume boot for better precision and power. Given my wide foot and positive experience w/ the fit of salomons, I'm considering the Falcon 10. I'm also thinking about the Atomic Race Tech CS 100s or 130s and the Diablo Magmas/Magnesiums.

Question: Do you have any comments about my prospective boot selections or any additional suggestions?

post #141 of 152
Hi Jeff,

Background: male skier, advanced, with a D width forefoot, medium instep, my heel is not very narrow or wide, 160lbs; 6 ft., i have bone spur on my heels from skiing in a Dobermann Pro. The spur is bigger on my left foot. I have very flexible ankles (dorsiflexion) and relatively long tib/fib. I tend to pronate.

I am currently skiing in a Tecnica Icon Alu Comp. I like the ramp angle of the boot (26 mondo) and the forward lean. I modified the binding ramp and it is now zero. Stock binding ramp is 4mm. I played with toe lifters to find the best setup for me and i found it. Now i have a negative ramp (the toe is 2mm higher than the heel). This setup works well for me. I tried a 4mm negative binding ramp and it is too flat for me. This setup (2mm negative binding ramp and stock boot ramp) allows me to ski very well.

I am looking for a new boot. I want you to know that i skied the XT-17 and liked the boot. The forward lean/ramp angle combination worked well for me altough the forward lean was more aggressive on the XT. Or maybe it had a flatter ramp angle. I skied it only for one day.
I also skied the Dobermann Pro and i can tell you that the boot didn't have enough forward lean for me and it was killing my heels. The Dobermanns were a race fit (as were the XT's) but i couldn't articulate because the boot was very short in length (i had less than 5mm behind my heel when i shell fit the boot) and a friend of mine gave me his lace-up liners from the WC 150 because the stock liner was too short. The WC 150 liners are very thin in the heel. The XT's stock liner is better padded in the heel and i did not have any problems skiing the XT with this liner. I put the WC 150 liner in the XT and i had the same problem. I have 1 finger (1.4cm) behind my heel when i shell fit the XT. There is a big difference in length between the two boots in shell fit(approx. 1cm) but i had the same heel problem with the WC 150 liner. I don't get it.

One more thing that is extremely important. With the Dobermanns my foot was always pushed to the outside. I was constantly fighting to stay on the inside edge. Both the cuff and the lower shell were responsible for this. I tried the dual cuff canting and it didn't help at all. The boot has a small amount of varus but i do not think that it was responsible for my boot problem. I did not have this problem with the Alu Comp or the XT. I couldn't ski well in the Dobermann at all. It was a nightmare.


1) Which boots should i be looking at? I want something very similar to my current setup which will not push my foot to the outside. I want the best combination of performance, warmth and comfort.

2) Do you think the current Tecnicas could work? If yes, which one? I will replace the stock liner so the pack out factor of the thick stock liner is not an issue.

3) In your opinion, with a flexible ankle and a relatively long tib/fib and my height (6 ft.) should i be looking at boots with more forward lean and a softer flex? Please explain.

4) If you recommend the Diablos, I would have to downsize to try on a Magnesium. My Icon is a 26. The Mag would be a 25. What would be the difference in ramp angle and forward lean between a 25 Mag and a 26 Icon Alu Comp?

5) I would try on a Race Pro in the same size as the XT (25). What would be the diffrence between them in ramp angle and forward lean?

I know it is a longer post but you told us to give you more info.

Thank you very much.
post #142 of 152

Thanks for taking my question

Hi Jeff,

I am 37, 5'11", 185 pounds, intermediate skier (solid blue runs, some easy blacks). I am looking at getting some boots and eventually some skis. Rented up until now. I've tried a bunch of boots on and found two that I like: Salomon Performa 7.5 and X-Wave 8.0. I have a wide foot and these seem to provide a little more room up front. The Xwave seems to fit a little better than the Performa. The Xwave is slightly more expensive but I'm not concerned about that. Just want to find a good fitting boot with decent control and performance.

My questions:
1) Are both boots reasonable for an intermediate skier (mainly piste runs) and provide good control?
2) Will I notice a difference between the two?
3) Any other recommendations?

post #143 of 152

Wide midfoot woes

Hi Jeff,

I am a skier, 30 years old, 5'10", and 205 lbs. I'm currently in a Dalbello Avanti v10.

Here's my best shot at describing my feet/legs (I measured a picture I traced of my foot):
  • I wear size 12 shoes.
  • My foot is 288 mm long
  • My foot measures 100 mm across from my midfoot to my forefoot through the tip of my pinky toe. My midfoot is my 'achillies heel' when it comes to finding compatible boots.
  • My heel is about 65 mm wide.
  • My calf is 430 mm around at its widest point.
  • My arch, if I'm measuring it correctly, measures 31 mm (1.25") high.
  • I walk on the outside edges of my feet. This also contributes to my bowlegs.
  • I tilt my feet outward when standing.
  • My left leg is my dominant leg.
  • My second toe is approximately 3/8" shorter than my big toe. My 3rd, 4th and 5th toes get shorter and shorter down the line.
  • I have about a 1/2" clearance when doing a shell fit in my current boot.
Here's what's been done to my boots to address a poor fit out of the box:
  • Foot cramp in each foot - I had to have the midfoot and forefoot punched out to accomodate my wide midfoot/forefoot, otherwise I experienced a fair amount of cramping.
  • Sharp knee pain on the inside of my knees after a long day of skiing and the whole ride home - Picture a compass on each knee with North pointing towards my toes. I had pain to the Southwest on my right knee and more severe pain to the Southeast of my left knee. To fix this, material was added under the ball of each foot to my custom red cork Superfeet footbeds. This was intended to even out the pressure across my feet since I tilt my feet out and ride on my outside edges. A heel riser was also added to my left boot board to accomodate the fact that my left foot is shorter than my right foot. Finally, 1 to 2 degrees of material was taken off the sole of each boot (My bootfitter put strips of plastic under my boots and had me simulate rolling edge to edge on my skis. I believe he called it a stance alignment).
This may be of importance to you:
  • I've always worn standard width shoes without a problem, other than the stress reactions I developed on the inside of my shins while playing pick-up basketball. A podiatrist treated them with orthotics and range of motion/strength training in rehab. I wear the orthotics during most physical activity, aside from skiing.
Finally, to my point:
  1. I moved away from my old bootfitter and I'm due for an upgrade. I'd like something stiffer and something that applies more even pressure across the buckles while in my forward lean. What make(s)/model(s) should I should I look to first? I've heard Technica Diablo, Dalbello Proton, Nordica Speedmachine, and Salomon X-Wave Series. Just looking for the closest match out of the box. I want boots/liners that will last me a long time!
  2. My cork footbeds are about 5 years old and are a bit stanky. Is there a specific footbed(s) that you recommend?
  3. Is it possible there's a boot out there that I can be happy with off the shelf? Or am I a bootfitters dream (or nightmare)?
Thanks in advance for the help!

post #144 of 152
PS - I no longer have knee pain since my last visit to the bootfitter.
post #145 of 152
I am a 5'7" 150lb male. I am in the Salomon Falcon 10 and am sponsored by salomon (switching brands isn't a viable option). I have a very flexible achilles tendon allowing for a lot of ankle flexion. I am an expert, all mountain skier.

1. Through kinesthetic awareness (this is my own assesment), I have decided that the falcon 10, along with past salomon boots, has too much forward lean.

2. Because I have a lot of flexion in my ankle and the boot puts me in an already flexed position, I need to move my hips back and actually get a "gink" in my lower spine in response.

3. I feel that if I straighten the boot shaft, I will remedy the problem. Finding a viable way to do this is the hard part - I stood in the lange world cups and noticed it has signifigantly less forward lean.

4. I have tried a 3mm toe lift in response, but don't think this is the best cure for the issue.

Any ideas? Thanks
post #146 of 152

I just have some questions that I need cleared up:

First Off:
> 6'0", 155 lbs, advanced skier
>'07 Volkl Karma 169 cm
> Marker M.11 Free bindings

I am looking for a boot that is of reasonable price, and as a skier, I spend most time in the trees and the least time in the park (athough I occasionally visit the likes of which). I do have a price limit of about $275 CDN, which would be about $235 USD. I have been looking at the following boots, but am open to any suggestions:

> Lange CRL 70 Men's (I've tried finding them in brown, but aside from here, I couldn't. Help in this resect would be appreciated)
> Rossignol Soft Light 3
> Anything else? (preferaby either white, brown, or orange, but I want boots that fit first)

1. Which boot should I get?
2. Where (exactly in a measurement form) should I place my bindings

Also, if you are knowledgeable in this area, where should I mount the bindings on my twin tips, if they're intended for all-mountain skiing?

post #147 of 152
>> I read with interest your comments with respect to the Solomon SX91
>> equip.I am an expert skier.However I am now 70 years old and ski one
>> week a year.The problem I have with any of the new boots is being
>> able to properly fasten the buckles becaus of my lack of
>> flexibility.I have been skiing on my old Solomons and seem to have no
>> trouble using them with the new short skis.The skis perform
>> reasonably well at slow speeds but seem to waiver at fast speeds
>> especially on straight runs.

1. Have you got any advice or comments.
post #148 of 152
Hi Jeff,

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

- 46 year old male, 5' 6", 190 pound average intermediate recreational skier. I ski blue and black Eastern N. America groomed trails. Started skiing again with the family after many (15+) non-skiing years. We were out about 24 times last season, 5 the year before.

- Ski boot size measures at mondo 26, width EEE and EEE 1/2, high instep, and my calves are 18 inches round at 10 inches from the ground. ie. paddle foot with canned ham calves.

Finding a pain-free boot has been very challenging. The biggest problem is the wide calf and high instep. Forefoot width is a challenge but heat widening/stretching tends to make that work out relatively well if the boot is pretty wide to start with.

When re-entering the ski world, a local shop set me up with a Technica entryX 3 boots which they said best fit my foot. That didn’t work out well, despite a couple of runs at adjusting them. The top buckle was moved to provide maximum calf room but it is still very tight and my heel lifts up very easily inside the boot. The shop tried adding heel lift wedges, but that just squeezes the instep more and increases the pain. There is a lot of pressure on the intsep and I get terrible pain in the bottoms of my feet and have to take frequent breaks to relieve the pressure. I experienced a lot of pain last year and it got worse as the season went on.

I've checked out the Atomic B series boots but the instep was tight before buckling up, the calves were squeezed tight and the heel wasn’t seating well. (similar to current boots). I also tried the Nordica Beast but even with the top buckle at maximum adjustment they barely could be forced closed around my calf.

1) Any ideas for a stock boot that a good tech could work with to make work?
2) You have discussed cutting down the calf on the boot. Any ideas for boots that can be done with?
3) I find the liner on my current boots snug when I try them on outside the boot. Should a liner and boot be considered separately?

I’m not looking to burn up the slopes or slash through steep glades, I just want to enjoy a relatively pain free day of cruising with the kids.

post #149 of 152
Hello Jeff,

I'm 6'0", 215 lbs, and 31 years old. Large calves, wide forefoot and high arches. Ski pretty much anything, although bumps and trees tend to make my feet hurt (pain occurs between arch and ball of foot). Especially the first day or two of a ski trip (live in ND and make 1-2 trips a year). I currently have a pair of Salomon Xwave 9.0's, size 27/27.5. Also have a pair of Surefoot insoles. I've never had a pair of boots that have allowed me to buckle the lower buckles. I end up with too much pressure which causes pain over my arches. I also tend to feel slightly out of balance, 'back seat' feeling.

1. Can I do anything to alleviate my foot pain? (Mods of current boots or new boots)
2. Would a boot with a more upright stance help my balance?
3. I talked with a boot rep about a softer boot board (current ones are hard foam). Would softer ones be more comfortable?

Thank you for your assistance.
post #150 of 152
Hi Jeff

Many thanks for taking the time to offer this service, much appreciated.

I am 5'8", 155lb and 30 years old. I ski pretty much everything and am probably a level 7. On average I ski 70/30 offpiste/onpiste. My skis are Volkl G4s and Head Mojo 90s.

I have relatively narrow feet and am a US size 8.5. I currently own a pair of Nordica Beasts that I have had for 3 years and have never been able to find a comfortable set-up. I often have to strap my shins as I experience quite severe pain in the shins and as a result tend to sit back while skiing.

1. I would like to replace the boots and would welcome any recommendations. I have heard good things about Dalbello boots and in particular the Krypton range (however, I am happy to consider all options) . Any and all help would be appreciated.

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