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Spatulas...what's a fair price?

post #1 of 29
Thread Starter 
Over the past year I have become greatly intrigued by the now defunct Volant Spatula. I saw quite a lot of folks riding them in Tahoe during our flurries and found that they tend to be pretty popular with the TGR crowd. Furthermore, the fact that K2, Goode, and DP all have skis modeled after the Spat prove that there's at least some merit to them

My question, however, has to do with price.

I understand they originally retailed for $899/950.
I also understand that you could pro-deal them for about $450
I have seen them variously online (new) for $365 at the low end and $600 at the high end.

All of that said, what would be a fair price for a new pair of Spats these days, provided you could track down a pair?

As a side question, how much would you pay for a pair?
post #2 of 29
Dookey,
I'd say the $350 to $600 range is fair. I'm a big fan of the skis and if I hadn't stockpiled I'd be willing to pay in that range (say $350 to $450 for used and $450 to $600 for new). The Spats hold up really well to abuse so a well used pair will still get the job done. I'd think that with a little luck and patience you should be able to come up with a pair under $500. Unfortunately all of the grey market and closeout ones are gone from Ebay, so it could be a crap shoot. My understanding is that they only made about 1,000 pairs so you could end up looking at higher prices due to short supply. Good luck.
Have fun.
post #3 of 29
Thread Starter 
Right on.

Yeah, I just did an eBay (and Epic auction) search this morning. That's how I came up with the price ranges.

The search continues...
post #4 of 29
The Spatula was a ground breaking, paradigm shifting, mind-flossing ski in it's day. It's day was four years ago. I wouldn't spend more than $400.00 on a pair (actually I wouldn't spend anything on a pair), there are MAJOR refinements that have gone into 'modern' powder skis that feature negative rocker, reverse sidecut, massive taper etc. all are improvements on the original.

If your choice is $500 for a spat or $700 for a Pontoon, that choice should be simple. Buy the Pontoon.
post #5 of 29
Whiteroom,
What other skis are you thinking of? In particular which ones have you skied? I haven't been able to get out on the Pontoons or some of the similar skis the custom guys are building. The skis I like the best that I have skied after the Spats are the Volkl Sanouk and Solly AK Rocket Swallow tail. I'm always looking for something better and would appreciate your insight. Have you skied the Spat?
Have fun.
post #6 of 29
FWIW:

I skied the Pontoon on a combination snow/rain/fog storm day @ Sugar Bowl last "spring". I thought they would be magic in the heavy goop that passed for snow that day. Although they were very good, they were no better than the 190 Fischer Prohete or the 190 Gotama than I also had with me that day.

And on the goopy goomed?...........................:

SJ
post #7 of 29
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
If your choice is $500 for a spat or $700 for a Pontoon, that choice should be simple. Buy the Pontoon.
Newsflash: super-wide tips suck; the reviews are out and the Spatula > the Pontoon.

but yes, there are a few other reverse(ish) camber, reverse(ish) sidecut skis out now or in the works for the next year that should be better than the spat...just not the pontoon.
post #8 of 29
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Originally Posted by bennyr View Post
Dookey,
My understanding is that they only made about 1,000 pairs so you could end up looking at higher prices due to short supply. Good luck.
Have fun.
According to Volant/Atomic literature only 300 pair were made. Although a few or even many more might exist.

Cheers,

Michael
post #9 of 29
From what I hear, other options with narrower tips than the Pon(Car)toon include:
  • DP Lotus 138 (Marshal Olson on TGR reps them, go through him if interested)
  • Armada ARG (the ski for pirates!)
  • Salomon Rocker
  • Goode Scoop 142
Caveats: I've skied none of these. The Armada and Salomon are not actually in stores yet. And discussions of the Goode engender significant emotional response by those who feel that Dave Goode has merely ripped off Stephan Drake's designs, a topic on which I am woefully misinformed.
post #10 of 29
Sources tell me the "Rockers" will not be avail to the GP till 08 or spring 07 @ the earliest.
post #11 of 29
Thread Starter 
can't speak on any of those as I haven't skied 'em.

I've only seen Spats at Alpine and other misc. spots around Tahoe (I think Squaw a couple of times and maybe Homewood) and I think in Utah.

I've only seen the larger Goodes at the Squaw shop in the Village at the end of last season stacked next to the LIB ski and the Elan 1111. They look like a water ski.

As for the Goodes...I have heard nothing but bad things about them. Doesn't help much that you can't really demo them anywhere, either. But they get slagged on TGR and pretty much everywhere else.
post #12 of 29
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Originally Posted by barrettscv View Post
According to Volant/Atomic literature only 300 pair were made. Although a few or even many more might exist.

Cheers,

Michael
Add a zero, and that's much, much closer to how many were made on the production retail run.
post #13 of 29
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Originally Posted by BakerBoy View Post
Add a zero, and that's much, much closer to how many were made on the production retail run.
Hmmmm.....interesting, this is the first time I've ever heard it suggested that more than 1003 pair were made (including the protos). This seems to suggest that two thousand pair is more like reality, perhaps I shall have a pair yet! Bwahahaha!
post #14 of 29
You might want to check out the new 4FRNT EHP 193 too:

Seems like a very funtional compromise between the "new" and traditional design (some sidecut, FLAT camber in the middle, rockered tip, slightly rockered tail, beefy but still somehow versatile dimension...etc.)

http://4frnt.com/skis-ehp.html

(No personal experience thought...)
post #15 of 29
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Originally Posted by volantaddict View Post
Hmmmm.....interesting, this is the first time I've ever heard it suggested that more than 1003 pair were made (including the protos). This seems to suggest that two thousand pair is more like reality, perhaps I shall have a pair yet! Bwahahaha!
Hi VA,

I think your 1003 figure is a lot closer to fact than the "add a zero" to 300 hyperbole from Bakerboy.

Cheers,

Michael
post #16 of 29
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Originally Posted by volantaddict View Post
Hmmmm.....interesting, this is the first time I've ever heard it suggested that more than 1003 pair were made (including the protos). This seems to suggest that two thousand pair is more like reality, perhaps I shall have a pair yet! Bwahahaha!
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Originally Posted by barrettscv View Post
Hi VA,

I think your 1003 figure is a lot closer to fact than the "add a zero" to 300 hyperbole from Bakerboy.

Cheers,

Michael
Michael, You do realize that VA posted this then went to sleep? He's probably having the sweetest dreams............Bwahahaha!
post #17 of 29
Thread Starter 
I think I'm man enough to admit that the 190/193 4Frnt EHP sounds like a little too much ski for me. I'm not terribly interested in straight-line maching to tell the truth. More interested in floating on powder and smearing some ethereal turns in the dust.
post #18 of 29
Well, dook, you've already got quite a quiver there. You can always join me in waiting it out until someone has an insane sale, like Copeland's did last year.
post #19 of 29
Thread Starter 
That's my "making up for not having new equipment in over 20 years" quiver. I'm just about done. Waffling on a pair of 175 M:EX and a pair of 179 Bros (most likely to mount AT and make a dedicated powder ski).

Now all I have to do is learn to ski!

post #20 of 29
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Originally Posted by barrettscv View Post
Hi VA,

I think your 1003 figure is a lot closer to fact than the "add a zero" to 300 hyperbole from Bakerboy.

Cheers,

Michael
I think you're full of **** and ski on landfills in Chicago. Does that make either of us right? But thanks for your baseless disagreement. Anybody who voluntarily skis Spat's with Markers obviously doesn't have their head on straight anyway.
post #21 of 29
Thread Starter 
whoa!

who woulda thought that a simple thread about some cult reverse camber skis could cause so much animosity to be expelled?



btw, I've skied the sand dunes at Morro Bay. How do they compare to the landfills of Chicago?
post #22 of 29
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Originally Posted by dookey67 View Post
btw, I've skied the sand dunes at Morro Bay. How do they compare to the landfills of Chicago?
Were you on Spatulas?

Oh yeah, Spatulas snap in half on a regular basis. FYI.
post #23 of 29
Lighten up Francis...
post #24 of 29
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Originally Posted by BakerBoy View Post
I think you're full of **** and ski on landfills in Chicago. Does that make either of us right? But thanks for your baseless disagreement. Anybody who voluntarily skis Spat's with Markers obviously doesn't have their head on straight anyway.

I think you need to lighten up and maybe cut back on the personal attacks.
post #25 of 29
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Originally Posted by Birdman829 View Post
(directed towards Bakerboy) I think you need to lighten up and maybe cut back on the personal attacks.
Bakerboy has had multiple events of this kind here at Epic. He also is a sponsored athlete for Fischer. I wonder if Fischer fully understands who they are paying to be their good will ambassador.

Sincerely,

Michael
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post #28 of 29
gee, Dookie! macenroe-zero has a new user title!
Lets see how long it takes till he knows he's dead.

I think I should have some Spats too. If you hear of any, spam me by PM.
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No doubt! That is offthehook randomness!
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