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Tecnica Diablo Magnesium - not too stiff for 160lbs are they?

post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 
Hello...first post here. I just wanted to get some opinions as to whether or not the Tecnica Diablo Magnesium (100 flex) would be too stiff for me? My profile:

28yrs old
160lbs
5'11"
"Advanced" skier (this is my 2nd year skiing and I'm currently a level 7 by PSIA standards - hoping to make it to an 8)
I ski mostly blacks (no double blacks yet)

I want something I can grow with as I improve, but I don't want to get into something too stiff. The next step down is the Diablo Flame (80 flex) and I'm afraid that might be too soft. Would the Magnesium be a better choice than the Flame for my needs?

Oh, and I've already tried them on a million times and realized that Tecnicas are the way to go for my foot, and I know that 27/27.5 is the proper shell size, as it leaves me with 3/4" behind my heel when doing a shell fit (I brought various sized wooden dowels with me when trying on boots - lol). I will also be getting them adjusted by a great boot fitter and having custom footbeds made. I just need advice on the appropriate stiffness for my profile/ability.


Thanks!!
post #2 of 21
Thread Starter 

Has anyone else noticed this Tecnica discrepancy in flex ratings?

It seems that the flex rating of several of Tecnica's boots are listed differently on the US website from the International site. For example, the Diablo Magma is a 115 flex on the US site and a 100 on the International site. Diablo Magnesium is 100 vs. 90 and the Vento 10 is 95 vs. 80!!

Why does the US site have higher flex ratings? Also, on the International site the flex says "new flex index"...does that mean that they've recently changed their flex scale/ratings?

Here are the 2 sites...check it out:

http://www.tecnicausa.com/skiing/

http://www.tecnica.it/products/index_ski.php
post #3 of 21
It doesn't matter.
post #4 of 21
Thread Starter 
I have no idea why my 2 threads were combined (posts 1 & 2 above) - they don't really have anything to do with each other. One is asking for advice, while the other was pointing out a discrepancy on the Tecnica websites.

Anyway, back to the "advice" part...what do you guys think about the Diablo Magnesium for my weight & skill level?

Thanks!!
post #5 of 21
What type of skiing do you do- carve big arcs at high speed, low speed/many turns? I think the magnesiums would be ok, but you may want to go to the 80 flex. 100 flex is pretty stiff(of course there is stiffer) and 80 is not soft, its just not real stiff. At 160 pounds I dont think youd have to worry about it being too soft. If you ski really aggressively and feel like you put a ton of pressure on your boots and skis, you may want the stiffer Mags. Otherwise, the 80 flex should be fine.
post #6 of 21
I ski in these boots after having skied Salomon Course's which were 120 stiffness. The Sollies were a little stiff for much of the skiing I was doing (lots of powder/crud) but were good for carving/firm snow skiing. The Techies are a great boot for all the stuff I'm skiing except that they could be just a tad stiffer for the firmer snow. I think a 110 would be ideal for me. I'm 180 lbs.

For you, I agree with Brock in that 80 might be better for your current level. They would give you better response and more forgiveness than the Mags would at this point. However, if you can deal with the demands of the boot for now and desire to 'grow into' them, the mags are an excellent boot. With that said, I'd go with the 80 flex, continue to work on your skills and abilities and, when you feel that it's time for a new boot and you've outgrown these, see what the latest technology has to offer. Personally, I only ski a boot two or three years then move to the latest. I doubt that if you bought the mags that you'd still be wanting to ski them in another 3 or 4 years anyway.
post #7 of 21
Me:
28 years old
72kg (160 ibs)
181cm tall (no idea what that is in feet)

I wouldn´t even consider them beeing to stiff. I would rather worry that they are too soft. I wigh I 2002-2005 I used Tecnica Icon Carbon. Suddenly the left boot broke and I had to switch. Tecnica was, to my surprise, kind enough to give me a new pair of boots even though I had skied more than 300 days on the Icons. I got a pair of Diablo Magnesium, marketed to be the successor of Icon Carbon. The fit was near perfect without big modifications.

When skiing though I just couldn´t drive a big ski with force. The boot just folded when I pushed hard which made it difficult to really go for it in real world conditions. I consider them to be way too soft in the forward flex when skiing 190cm+ stiff freeride skis. I could ride softer skis (like Sanouk and AK Rocket Lab) with some pride, but skis like LP, Explosive and Stöckli DP (which I normally like very much) in long lenghts felt almost unskiably big. With smaller skis, like race slaloms or skicross skis however I really felt what the Diablo was designed to do. With Diablo Tecnica has a boot that is perfect for modern, short and quick pist skis. That is nothing strange, as the masses uses that type of skis. Super direct feel and perfect for modern carving turns. BUT I ski mostly with skis over 190cm and at least 95mm wide and I don´t want to have two pair of boots.

After a week I started to get used to the soft feel, but ended up beeing passive and calm in my skiing. Charging just wasn´t fun anymore. I realised that this had to change. I talked to the shop and the tech guy there offered me to try to make a Strolz foam liner for 60 Euro to see if that could make the fit more snug and to stiffen up the boot a bit. Said and done. Now the fit got really nice. Strolz-nice to be exact, but as expected the difference in flex wasn´t noticeable. Still way to soft. The Diablo had to go.

As a answer from above I found a brand new pair of Icon Carbons in the basement at a rental shop. The owner thought they were too stiff for the normal weekend warrior and always recommended other boots and therefore they had never touched the snow. I bought them for 100 Euro and changed the liner to the Strolz from the Diablos. One run later the smile was back on my face... I was back home. The difference in control and ability to charge hard was just insane. A couple of hours later I skied harder and faster with more control and joy then ever. I will NEVER try a soft boot again if I don´t end up skiing 100% small skis on groomed terrain. If I where you I would try the RacePro 110 before buying Diablos. That boot isn´t that much harder in flex, but gives much better support forward as there is a more traditional multi-layer plastic closig in front of the leg. RacePro 130 may be to stiff for you.

My boot quest continiued: As the Strolz boot wasn´t made for the Icon shell I have now made a new pair of liners. I foamed them myself and made a custom kit with a 28,5 liner in my 26 shell. This gave me some extra height on the tongue, a good base for a home made booster strap above the original one. With this double strap setup I can choose between a lower feel for short race skis and a super solid high support for big freeride skis. Highly recommended. Best boot I´ve ever tried.
post #8 of 21
Marot,

Are you also a level 7. Did you catch that part - that he's a level 7? Your suggestion is ridiculous. The Icon Carbon is like cement.

JK, do yourself a favor and find a good boot fitter. I would say get something soft and neutral. But not too soft.
post #9 of 21
Marot,

Ditto what Paul pointed out. Also, 181cm = 5' 11-1/4".
post #10 of 21
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the advice guys...keep the opinions coming!!

To answer some of the questions/comments that have been asked:

Yes, I'm only a level 7 but I do ski fairly aggressively and fast (faster than most of the people in my group lessons). I take a lesson almost every weekend, as I have an unlimited lesson pass at Breckenridge. Last year was my first year skiing and I was a level 7 after 5 days of skiing. I am hoping to make further improvements in my ability this year. What type of skiing do I like to do? Hmmmm...I'm still kind of figuring that out. I guess I like to ski pretty fast on black runs with big carving turns (I like to skid too). Not as into the moguls and quick, short turns, although we practice those in just about every lesson. I hope to be able to use this pair of boots for 3-4 years. I am also currently skiing on Volkl AC2 all mountain skis in a length of 170.

As for the advice on finding a good bootfitter. I think that is very good advice, and a plan to visit Jim Lindsay or Jeff Bergeron for custom footbeds and a boot setup/alignment. I wanted to pick up the boots first though, as I can save $150+ on last year's models of the Flame or Magnesium and that will help me pay for the boot fitting. I already know that the Diablo series fits my foot very well, and I know that a 27 shell size gives me the perfect amount of space (about 5/8" - 3/4" behind the heel when shell fitting). So basically, I'm trying to save myself some money and make a decision on the Flame vs. Magnesium prior to going to the boot fitter.

Thanks!!
post #11 of 21
Oh, sorry. I just read "advanced" and people who actually care about ski gear this time of the year usually ski pretty good. I have no idea what level 7 means actually, but I guess that makes me at least a 8 on that scale then

For a skier a bit above beginner (by northern Europe standards) stage with ambition to improve to his skiing and with a wish to optimize his gear for inbound skiing the Diablo Magnesium will be perfect. Noone will find it to stiff though if you don´t count 50 year old two weeks per year skiers. Jkozlow: I´m sure you will be very satisfied with the Magnesium. Even if I got it all wrong above I still can´t see no reason to go lower in stiffness.
post #12 of 21
A boot that is too stiff can really impede progress for a developing skier, in most cases. Same with skis that are unforgiving. If the boot is too stiff you can always cut it to soften it. If you know you have a great fit that makes a difference. A great fit means that your boot fitter agrees. He will also advise you on flex and lean.

I'd say orthodics are a must, in most cases. Check that shell size again.

Lastly, for me it is important to have leverage over the boot - the right height.

BTW, I'm no boot fitter. I have difficult feet!
post #13 of 21
Remember too, 80 flex isnt soft. Its obviously "softer" than 100 or 110 but I think having too stiff a boot is a problem, especially as you are getting better and better. Using AC2's and skidding here and there in turns, you may want to use a double digit flex. 80 is still plenty stiff at 160 pounds. In no time youll see the difference between the boots you have now and an 80 flex, I just think you dont really need the extra stiffness at your size. And too much stiffness is just a pain in the ass
post #14 of 21
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Originally Posted by marot858 View Post
Me:
28 years old
72kg (160 ibs)
181cm tall (no idea what that is in feet)

I wouldn´t even consider them beeing to stiff. I would rather worry that they are too soft. I wigh I 2002-2005 I used Tecnica Icon Carbon. Suddenly the left boot broke and I had to switch. Tecnica was, to my surprise, kind enough to give me a new pair of boots even though I had skied more than 300 days on the Icons. I got a pair of Diablo Magnesium, marketed to be the successor of Icon Carbon. The fit was near perfect without big modifications.

When skiing though I just couldn´t drive a big ski with force. The boot just folded when I pushed hard which made it difficult to really go for it in real world conditions. I consider them to be way too soft in the forward flex when skiing 190cm+ stiff freeride skis. I could ride softer skis (like Sanouk and AK Rocket Lab) with some pride, but skis like LP, Explosive and Stöckli DP (which I normally like very much) in long lenghts felt almost unskiably big. With smaller skis, like race slaloms or skicross skis however I really felt what the Diablo was designed to do. With Diablo Tecnica has a boot that is perfect for modern, short and quick pist skis. That is nothing strange, as the masses uses that type of skis. Super direct feel and perfect for modern carving turns. BUT I ski mostly with skis over 190cm and at least 95mm wide and I don´t want to have two pair of boots.

After a week I started to get used to the soft feel, but ended up beeing passive and calm in my skiing. Charging just wasn´t fun anymore. I realised that this had to change. I talked to the shop and the tech guy there offered me to try to make a Strolz foam liner for 60 Euro to see if that could make the fit more snug and to stiffen up the boot a bit. Said and done. Now the fit got really nice. Strolz-nice to be exact, but as expected the difference in flex wasn´t noticeable. Still way to soft. The Diablo had to go.

As a answer from above I found a brand new pair of Icon Carbons in the basement at a rental shop. The owner thought they were too stiff for the normal weekend warrior and always recommended other boots and therefore they had never touched the snow. I bought them for 100 Euro and changed the liner to the Strolz from the Diablos. One run later the smile was back on my face... I was back home. The difference in control and ability to charge hard was just insane. A couple of hours later I skied harder and faster with more control and joy then ever. I will NEVER try a soft boot again if I don´t end up skiing 100% small skis on groomed terrain. If I where you I would try the RacePro 110 before buying Diablos. That boot isn´t that much harder in flex, but gives much better support forward as there is a more traditional multi-layer plastic closig in front of the leg. RacePro 130 may be to stiff for you.

My boot quest continiued: As the Strolz boot wasn´t made for the Icon shell I have now made a new pair of liners. I foamed them myself and made a custom kit with a 28,5 liner in my 26 shell. This gave me some extra height on the tongue, a good base for a home made booster strap above the original one. With this double strap setup I can choose between a lower feel for short race skis and a super solid high support for big freeride skis. Highly recommended. Best boot I´ve ever tried.
Hi
I bought some Technica Icon ALU boots 2 years ago and loved them on my long 177 to 205 cm skis but on my 155cm and 169cm skis found them too over powering and this year bought some Technica Diablo Fire boots
(next down from magnesium) for my shorter skis. I think the cuff height difference between the Icon and Diablo Fire has an effect on the handling as well. I agree with you thinking although have never owned the
Icon carbon. Technica boots not as warm as my old Dachstiens but do handle better.
post #15 of 21
I am 145#s, 5'10", level 7 and have Tecnnica Icon Carbons. Great at 60 degrees mid mountain, but a bit too stiff at normal ski temperatures for me. I removed the inner cuff side tab cushions, changed to the softer outter wrap cuffs, and life got better. Eventually I cut the inner cuff slots deeper by 5/8" and now they seem about correct; with the rear spine screws at minimum stiffness. Figure I can always stiffen them a bit with the spine screws and or inner cuff tabs. A good boot. Latterally quick.
post #16 of 21
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Originally Posted by jkozlow3 View Post
As for the advice on finding a good bootfitter. I think that is very good advice, and a plan to visit Jim Lindsay or Jeff Bergeron for custom footbeds and a boot setup/alignment. I wanted to pick up the boots first though, as I can save $150+ on last year's models of the Flame or Magnesium and that will help me pay for the boot fitting. I already know that the Diablo series fits my foot very well, and I know that a 27 shell size gives me the perfect amount of space (about 5/8" - 3/4" behind the heel when shell fitting). So basically, I'm trying to save myself some money and make a decision on the Flame vs. Magnesium prior to going to the boot fitter.

Thanks!!
First, welcome to EpicSki!

Second, good choices on guys to get you in the right boots and make them work for you.

Third, go visit one of them now! Ask them which boots will work best, get those boots, and have them dial you in. If you get boots that have a geometry (zeppa angle, forward lean, and the delta of your bindings, for example) that isn't right for your physiology and morphology, you're starting way behind (and they may not be able to get you all the way there). Instead, find out the boot geometry/model that will work best from you and go from there.

I spoke with Jeff today. He's already in the shop. I spoke with Jim last week, and so is he. Pick one and go see them now rather than later.
post #17 of 21

boot hunting....

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Originally Posted by jkozlow3 View Post
28yrs old
160lbs
5'11"
Hi jkoslow3,
Those angles involved with balance that ssh was mentioning....plus issues like dorsiflexion influencing amount of forward (cuff) lean to choose(some Tecnicas have some pretty substantial cuff lean, and finding/making a good fitting cuff for your calves...help a lot.
Cuff stiffness is nice but being in balance is key...and that is where the boot guys come in...$.01
post #18 of 21
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Originally Posted by Noah View Post
I am 145#s, 5'10", level 7.........
Would someone please feed this guy?
post #19 of 21
jkoslow3, You may think the boots fit good. Please don't go to the fitter with a preconceived idea. Your to new for that. IMO the softer boot will take you further. I'm sure any instructor will tell you that. I believe some on here already have.

My fitter has been picking boots out for me for over 15 years. Everytime I gone in for new boots he perform's the same routine. Looks at my feet, checks my alignment, checks my everyday shoes, feels my feet, watches me walk, talks to me about my skiing, then recommends 3 boots I should try on.

I have taken naps with my boots on, they fit that good. And yes, I have the same foot beds that I started with.
post #20 of 21
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Originally Posted by Max Capacity View Post
My fitter has been picking boots out for me for over 15 years. Everytime I gone in for new boots he perform's the same routine. Looks at my feet, checks my alignment, checks my everyday shoes, feels my feet, watches me walk, talks to me about my skiing, then recommends 3 boots I should try on.

I have taken naps with my boots on, they fit that good. And yes, I have the same foot beds that I started with.
Max: What bootfitter do you go to? Are they up at Okemo where you do most of your skiing? Since I live near you (in Longmeadow, MA) and ski a lot in Vermont, I'm curious. I'm looking to find a good bootfitter to take care of my (and my wife's) needs. Thanks.
post #21 of 21
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Originally Posted by GoldMember View Post
Would someone please feed this guy?



Me: 5'9" 135lbs


go for a softer boot at level 7
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