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Record Opening Day at Vail!

post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 
November 16 was Vail's opening day of the season. But where did everybody come from?

Vail's previous best attended opening day was approx 4100-4300 skiers. Today, over 11,500 skiers showed up!

Those of you who have been to Vail on a powder Saturday can only imagine how totally screwed up the parking was! Both structures were full by 8am, and for the first time in recent memory, parking was allowed on BOTH sides of the frontage road. To the west, it went as far as Cascade Village. To the east, it went past the Vail Golf Course Clubhouse!

People were parking in the City Market / Safeway parking lots in West Vail, and riding the buses 5 miles to the lifts.

With barely half the mountain open (more due to open tomorrow), lift lines in the back bowls were crazy. While on the front side, there were a few chairs (2 + 8) with virtually no lines at all(once the crowds got up the initial lifts).

How many of you were part of this record breaking day?

By the way, you'd think Adam Aron had something to do with the snowfall, the way he was gloating in the meeting we had this afternoon... :
post #2 of 22
I was there today. I will remember this day for a long time.
post #3 of 22
We arrived at 9:00 am a bit later than we wanted thanks to 2 accidents causing delays on I70 on the way up from Denver. Parked on the street for the first time ever, took the bus into Vail Village and waited 20 minutes in the lift line to get out and into mid Vail, from there spent the day in search of powder stashes which we found aplenty. This is the earlies we have skied in years, I can only hope the snow continues. I was pretty shocked at the crowds at the base, worse than anything I have ever experienced before, but by 11:00 am it seemed like the trails were deserted. Nobody left, just the 2500 open acres of Vail swallowing up the crowds again. Felt great to start the year in powder instead of on groomed trails dodging rocks.

[ November 17, 2002, 06:43 PM: Message edited by: powderhound ]
post #4 of 22
Wow,this makes me so happy. I know that I will be skiing soon but I sure wish I was there today!!!

Ty



Lafayette Ski Club
post #5 of 22
Sounds like an awesome day for the Snopro and a few friends! Hope we can be so lucky at Christmas. Now I'm concerned though... Is the parking situation like that during the peak holiday week 12/26-1/1? I thought there was more garage space available.

You must have been drooling for the opening of Blue Sky, China, and Teacup Bowls!
post #6 of 22
Someone define "long chairlift line up" and "crazy" for me. I want imagery! [img]smile.gif[/img]
post #7 of 22
Thread Starter 
Adam-
Assuming you are an average skier, it might take you 10 - 15 minutes to ski from the top of the back bowls to the lift. For awhile, the lift line on Ch 5 was over an hour and twenty minutes! So- you and about 2500 of your nearest/dearest would be standing still in an area about 100ydsx50yds.
Imagine being at a very popular concert, only with no music. How is that for imagery?

While on the front side, lines were almost non-existent in the afternoon.....

By the way- the parking will only be marginally better over the Xmas holidays....

:

[ November 18, 2002, 11:09 PM: Message edited by: vail snopro ]
post #8 of 22
Regarding Vail's CEO, Adam Aron, I saw him yesterday on CNBC. While the public traded company is debt laden by many corporate standards, he claims that of the ski operators they have the least amount of debt as a portion of their balance sheet. They expect from all their resort holdings to achieve an operational cash flow exceeding more than $100 million.It was from similiar types of cash flow performances that there able to buy Mammouth.

So go to Vail or Saturdays, and during X mas and President weeks, wait in the lift lines and really help thier bottom line.

Go during the week, if possible, and you have the place to yourself. True, it is still money to them, but a better time for you.

Not too many on the slopes skiing in the background as Adam Aron was being interviewed. I wonder if the guy even skis ? He looked the part, but never saw what was on his feet.
post #9 of 22
10,500, wow, that's about a half million dollars for opening day.

I wonder, how many lessons were there? Any? A thousand? Curious.

...Ott
post #10 of 22
It's called over population of battered and beleaguered Colorado. Over hyping of 'the Mt. Lifestyle' by Madison ave.
money grubbers. It's called Californiacation, and it's evil!!
post #11 of 22
Quote:
Originally posted by pyramid:
It's called over population of battered and beleaguered Colorado. Over hyping of 'the Mt. Lifestyle' by Madison ave.
money grubbers. It's called Californiacation, and it's evil!!
Hmmm...I'm concerned about over-development as much as the next person, but I think you're missing the target here.

By definition, its not "over hyping" if people are actually enjoying it, and if people are there, they must be enjoying it. (Unless your theory is that people have been convinced that its cool to ski, so they do it even though they are secretly misirable!)

I have a problem with the guy who drives an Expedition because he wants people to believe he has an "outdoor lifestyle". (Don't they ever notice that the real outdoor lifestyle people are driving beat up Subarus?) I have a problem with people who build gigantic trophy second homes occupied 1 month out of the year and who are more interested in shopping than skiing. I do not have a problem with people who genuinely enjoy skiing partaking in it.

I've got mine, now go away. I think I know where you're coming from, but frankly, sounds a bit elitist.
post #12 of 22
This is why they sell Vail Suck's t-shirts on the Western Slope

There's nothing elitist about pyramid's comments.. I can only agree.
You can visit Vail with 10,000...15,000....20,000..hell a million people and 6,000 or 7,000 plus acres is still crowded.

I can only imagine waiting in line at any one of those lifts.... a sea of denim and one-peicers with Starbucks breath...
post #13 of 22
Vail serves it's purpose. I'm really glad there is Vail, although I'll probably never ski there. It provides skiing for those who are interested in the whole upscale resort atmosphere. People seem to love it, and that's great, it keeps them there, and away from the places where the quality of skiing is the biggest priority.

If you want the resort atmosphere, go to Vail. Obviosly many people want it, because it gets so many skier visits per year.

If all you want is to ski, go to an area where the quality of skiing is the biggest priorty. There are plenty of places that feature this.
post #14 of 22
Hola...Wink, Vail bought Heavenly, not Mammoth. Ott, great thought about lesson numbers...national average penetration rate is around 10%....but recently at most areas, the number of season passes used early season dilutes the lesson numbers. With 10.5k scanned, I would bet opening day schoolie figures to be about 5-600....VSP, that about right?
post #15 of 22
No matter how Vail has developed and marketed their ski resort, Vail bashers seem to have forgotten that the mountain remains one of the best in the US. The mountain's terrain suits the majority of skiers' desires for intermediate terrain, big vertical, and fast lifts. The resort also provides quality and diversity for non-skiers and apre-ski fun.

I just think that Vail has become an easy target for generalized and stereotypical comments about their customers and the corporate ownership of multiple ski resorts. If I could afford to stay at the Lodge and ski at Vail, would you ridicule me? If I want to ski at Vail and stay at the dormitory style Roost Hostel, am I a better person, more worthy of praise?

If this is about: "You are, where you ski" then I guess everyone should only ski at a mountain that matches their personality. If you aren't happy, find another mountain! I thank God to have skied the faces of so many mountains. Their always like old friends when skied again, even years later.

Vail's not the best! There is no Best! But for anyone that has been awed by a bluebird powder morning in the Back Bowls, Vail is a special place. [img]tongue.gif[/img]
post #16 of 22
Vail is the best combination of mountain, snow quality, and weather, period. There are others that may be better in one category, but no one beats it overall.

Sure, there are plenty of high rollers there, but there also are a LOT of real, down to earth, every day people. Right Oz? Right VSP?

bob
post #17 of 22
Quote:
Originally posted by bicyclekick:
Vail serves it's purpose. I'm really glad there is Vail, although I'll probably never ski there. It provides skiing for those who are interested in the whole upscale resort atmosphere. People seem to love it, and that's great, it keeps them there, and away from the places where the quality of skiing is the biggest priority.

If you want the resort atmosphere, go to Vail. Obviosly many people want it, because it gets so many skier visits per year.

If all you want is to ski, go to an area where the quality of skiing is the biggest priorty. There are plenty of places that feature this.
I had to speak up here. I'll just give my short answer. I think you are really confused about Vail and should ski it forthwith.

I ski all over Colorado and always enjoy my ten days per season at Vail and Beaver Creek. And it's certainly not about being "upscale".
post #18 of 22
Yup same here.

Who cares who skiis there, and why waste the time bashing the place. If you hate it, don't go there.

I personally think it's a great place, and love skiing the back bowls, regardless of the people on the slope, or scale of the lodge.

Vail has a lodge? Time is best spent on the slopes.

Peter
post #19 of 22
First thing vail resorts did when they bought heavenly was to drop the season pass to under 300 , and threw in 5 free days at vail. I'm there, dude, but not opening day.....
post #20 of 22
Sure, there are plenty of high rollers there, but there also are a LOT of real, down to earth, every day people. Right Oz? Right VSP?

Vail is the best place I have ever worked AND the locals are a mighty fine breed. As far as everyday skiers go the majority are people that love thier skiing and see the value in the place. Vail also had a real nice International ski flavour. It is a nice place for skiers from all over the world to come together.

Funny thing about the real "high rollers" though; they do not stand out at all.

Not there till the 11th but hanging out to ski SOOOO BAD!!!

Oz [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]
post #21 of 22
Bashing Vail for who skis there is tunnel vision as far as I'm concerned. I go to Vail for two things

- the snow - Vail gives you more chances of catching a great powder day than A-basin, Loveland, Breck, Keystone, Copper, Cooper or Eldora. I'm always able to find fresh snow even days after a dump at Vail.

- the terrain - if you can't find something you love to ski in 5000 plus acres you are, how do you say it? an idiot?. Groomers, bumps, cliffs, trees, bowls are all there for the taking.

I'll ski any of the above resorts. When Friday comes around, and we start making plans to go skiing over the weekend, we don't plan on going to Vail. We get up on Sat morning and check the snow reports, sometimes we won't actually know which resort we will go to untill we are on I 70 and listening to the radio for who got the most snow the night before. More often than not we end up passing all the other resorts and heading to Vail, because Keystone got a trace, Loveland got 2 inches, Breck and Copper got 4 inches and Vail got 10 inches.

Sure if you want to watch some rich bastard and his wife in a one piece they can be found at Vail, but they will be at the base, on the front side. I'm usually too busy watching the fall line to care, punching through some pow and grinning ear to ear on the back side.
post #22 of 22
Loveland gets more snow than Vail actually. Minor detail.
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