Originally Posted by Rick
- Most PSIA types teach an up move as the foundation transition technique.
- Most PSIA folks have no concept of arc to arc skiing (high C carving in Harbspeak)
- Most PSIA'ers use active steering rotary to turn their skis.
* SAY THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN, AND PEOPLE WHO LISTEN TO LITTLE ELSE WILL BEGIN TO BELIEVE IT.
* NEVER LET THE TRUTH GET IN THE WAY OF A GOOD MARKETING PLAN.
Hey Rick, how's it going?
(I was going to stay away from this thread, but "had to" respond to Rick)
Before I write my beef with your words, I want to remind you who I am (again to prove my neutrality).
You came over to the PMTS forum last year when I was still on it.
[BTW, HH only kicked me off temporarily - to cool off as he said. If I were to promise not to oppose his dictatorship and never say anything negative about PMTS (more or less), then I could come back on (after all, he knew I had written very positive things about PMTS (still hold by them). He also knew that he deliberately deleted the incriminating posts and then lied to everyone on the thread about them never having exisited (these were posts where I respectfully pointed out contradictions in his words after he challenged me to do so. There was another who backed me up (since he saw the whole thread and agreed with me) and his posts were also deleted and he was warned that he would be kicked off too if he made any other "rebellious" remarks). Yeah fat chance that I would want to come back on.
My last posts, which were also obviously deleted, were expressing shock as to how he could be so dishonest. I continued to compliment him on his amazing ski instruction, but was appalled by his immoral behavior - which was unecessary - he's only human, I didn't condem him for making a rare mistake, just wanted to get to the bottom and truth of the subject. But, he couldn't handle that - guess he doesn't agree to the only human part.
There were several who saw the truth and tried to speak to him about it in person - that he shouild appologize to me. He refused. He just said that anything that threatens the success of PMTS he will deal with that way. Idiot, you, and this method of dealing with sincere dialog, are your own biggest threat, and always have been!
I mention this because he also dealt with you in somewhat of a similar manner. When you first came on you were very respectful and openned what I considerred a legitamate dialogue on new stance foot extension and COM movement etc. You and HH didn't agree with each other, and after some time of debate, he became more and more agitated and less fair. He began accussing you of intentionally coming on to fight him and PMTS. If you remember, I supported you then, and said I thought that your questions were valid (I certainly was never convinced that he wass right from his arguements, and said so). Nobody (his close followers who tried to chime in on his side) could convincingly prove you were wrong.
I don't know who was right in this particular complicated issue (and let's not start it again), but what I do know is that I was appalled by how he eventually kicked you off, deleted your posts, and then went on ranting about what a crooked ill-intended guy you were and that for now on all rebels to the throne would be dealt with in the same way. This was actually the beginning of the end of my desire to hang around. I resolved that I certainly wouldn't hesitate to ever tell it like it is - and that eventually sent me the same way.
Now, again, this should gain me some credibility:
Nevertheless, I say clearly, that IMO HH is definately the greatest ski instruction authority in the world today, and I don't think that any other system even compares to PMTS in both its understanding of superior technique and its ability to articulate it and have it learned and used. He is truly an icon of the sport - even if he is an #$@#%.
Specifically here (and let's just take one for now):
I don't know what you yourself do personally, I have never skied with you (****, who did, said you're real good and fast). But, how can you say that TTS dosen't teach an upmove as the foundation of transition? Its all over the place. The video footage I saw of Weems at Snowbird (during some PSIA testing I think) shows a very ugly gross upmove.
He was clearly unweighting in transition, rotating to initiate, somewhat stemming, skidding the first half of his turn, only finishing with a clean carve - skiing opposite what PMTS teaches, and clearly weaker IMO. Again, sorry if this sounds conceited to those who haven't seen better, but not only does HH ski in another whole league, also, to a lesser extent, his students do, and honestly, without ever having received any on snow coaching from PMTS myself, so do I.
I don't want to go into a whole debate now, but if you are more honest than HH, if you are not just trying to market yourself exactly like you claim he is, then you will admit this objective truth. Weems was doing an upmove.
So, why don't you tell the folks who could benefit from PMTS the truth.
It not the only way to teach a guy to get down the mountain, but its the best. His statementws about what's lacking out there are accurate, even if not about everyone - maybe not you. As I said (and again, believe me not from ego, but for the sake of the truth, I can ski circles around most (not all) of the PSIA ski instructors I have seen at all resorts - all deliberately teaching there up-unweight and skidded upper halfs of turns.
[I'm not even going into the earlier methods with beginners.]
But, even the ones who are truly good, I see them as great natural athletes who's bodies have just physically "figured out" what to do after years of doing it, but can't pass it on, can't explain it. This is one of HH's greatest contrbutions. Afterall, he didn't really invent anything in the skiing itself (besides some excersices etc.), he simply understands and is able to articulate World Cup technique on the highest level. Depite his rare mistakes in communication, and his dictatorship personality, he is amazing in his consistant ability to diagnose peoples skiing deficiencies, answer everyones questions on all subjects skiing related with crucial info, and continue to redirect people to better (yes ssh, better) technique against the mainstream trends.
I don't expect you to admit this Rick, because you are not unbiased as I am. You are looked to here as the anti-Harb, the alternative. You can't give that all up by admitting that the ^$#%^ is right, that he, for the most part, is offerring a better alternative. And, it is also hard for you because he dealt unfairly with you. But, in this you can take a lesson from me. I seperate his faults, and his personal treatment, from his strengths and universal contributions. That's fair.
I want to hear you admit that an upmove is being widely taught, just like he complains, even if not by you yourself. Otherwise, you are no different and no better than he is in terms of honesty or fairness.
But, of course the problem is that if you were to admit this, everyone might finally realize the truth that, although he has his serious shortcomings, he's got the goods, and everyone would flock to him to get the best instruction. Would sort of put a lot of people out of business.
This was my last attempt at telling the good folks listenning in here where they can get the best. I have spent too much time on this. I guess this itself is the final proof. Despite his treatment, in my fairness, I feel somewhat indebdted to him. I never took any on snow training with him - only bought his DVDs etc. but benefited greatly (still benefit by passively reading on the forum) from all of his singularly authoritative contribution on the forum. I grew up racing and have skied like Weems from probably before Weems was born. But, through, and only through, PMTS have graduated to a much higher level of latest cutting edge WC technique, way beyond how I was taught at European and Mt. Hood racing camps years ago, and way beyond what guys like Weems are still doing. Rocca, now there's a guy to emulate. And, you can learn how from the #@$%%$.