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post #31 of 50
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Originally Posted by buckethead View Post
money really has nothing to do with it either.
the low uphill capacity is a major component of the MRG experience.
i'd rather deal with the long line at the bottom of the hill than compete for space on the hill...or have all the snow chopped up before 11am.

btw: hey 'fonz!
I have to agree with you on the snow chopped up (packed down) before 11am. Early risers will be able to do lots of laps on a high speed lift packing down and chopping up the snow before 11am. Have to disagree on the compete for space comment. Chairs typically unload every 6 seconds in both fixed grip and high speed detachable. Uphill capacity for fixed grip versus high speed detachable is typically the same excluding lift stops. Of course fixed grips have twice the number of people hanging from a cable so that can reduce the number of skiers on the slopes when there is no lift line.
post #32 of 50
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Originally Posted by Patrick View Post

It isn't a cold lift, the liftline is generally low enough that it isn't explosed, not like many chairlifts.
Both Mad River and Stowe handed out blankets for a reason. Although there is wind protection, I have skied MRG many days in a row where the temp never got above 10*F. The coldest skiing I have ever done is in northern vt, it's nice to get to the top quickly.
post #33 of 50
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Originally Posted by Paul Jones View Post
Both Mad River and Stowe handed out blankets for a reason. Although there is wind protection, I have skied MRG many days in a row where the temp never got above 10*F. The coldest skiing I have ever done is in northern vt, it's nice to get to the top quickly.
I've never seen any blankets anywhere except old ski movies.

Sorry, I guess we don't have the same definition of cold temps. I grew up in Montreal and I remember skiing on day in January 1982 at Smuggs where a blackboard before the Sterling lift (Madonna was closed) had something like this written: "Extreme Windchill -100F" I kid you not. It was -35c and really windy in Montreal when I left. What was I thinking? : But I was tough, I was a 16yr old teenager. :

I've skied many times at Stowe and MRG, but they don't stick out as being colder than Northern Vermont or Quebec. Tremblant is probably up there as a cold place IMO.
post #34 of 50
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Originally Posted by catskills View Post
I have to agree with you on the snow chopped up (packed down) before 11am. Early risers will be able to do lots of laps on a high speed lift packing down and chopping up the snow before 11am. Have to disagree on the compete for space comment. Chairs typically unload every 6 seconds in both fixed grip and high speed detachable. Uphill capacity for fixed grip versus high speed detachable is typically the same excluding lift stops. Of course fixed grips have twice the number of people hanging from a cable so that can reduce the number of skiers on the slopes when there is no lift line.
I've heard that too. A fixed grip quad dumps skiers off at the top just as fast as a high speed quad.
post #35 of 50
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Originally Posted by Patrick View Post
I've never seen any blankets anywhere except old ski movies.

Sorry, I guess we don't have the same definition of cold temps. I grew up in Montreal and I remember skiing on day in January 1982 at Smuggs where a blackboard before the Sterling lift (Madonna was closed) had something like this written: "Extreme Windchill -100F" I kid you not. It was -35c and really windy in Montreal when I left. What was I thinking? : But I was tough, I was a 16yr old teenager. :

I've skied many times at Stowe and MRG, but they don't stick out as being colder than Northern Vermont or Quebec. Tremblant is probably up there as a cold place IMO.

The Single is definately protected. I have rarely been punished by the wind on it. The double actually is colder in that respect. As for those old timers I skied when it was negative 100 comments. It happens for sure, but these days if it gets to the extremes mentioned above they may close the mountains for liability purposes. I have never heard of Mad River doing that but I know lots of mountains will. As for coming to ski Mad in Febuary Ice is a relative term. Hook up with some people who know the mountain and we will take you in the woods where the traffic is light enough that the snow is usually good, unless of course there was just a serious freeze thaw cycle.

Alfonse
post #36 of 50
I've always seen the MRG single as a fairly warm lift. I can think of many lifts in the northeast that I've spent far more time shivering on.

I'm not quite sure who came up with the bright idea that bigger faster lifts are warmer, but it simply isn't the case.

It is my experience that "cold" doesn't even have to be uncomfortable until you start getting lots of wind and temps of -15 and beyond. At -30 or -35 in the northeast, there usually isn't much wind to be found. Those temperatures are very skiable without wind, but many ski areas hesitate on those days (maybe one in a hundred).
post #37 of 50
A lot of times the coldest spot is on the HS lift. Wind plus going fast sitting still = cold! One thing I wonder is why more of them don't build the lifts lower. Seemed like the older ones were lower, which was a little warmer.
post #38 of 50
Building lifts lower seems all well and good until you consider the costs and limitations involved. In general though, I think lower lifts are the order of the day. Not a lot of people are building new aerial tramways, lower quad chairs operate in higher winds and carry more meat.
post #39 of 50
thanks for the Feb/March suggestions.

i've actually been wanting to hit MRG as part of my "visit to the last 4 resorts in America that do not allow snowboarding." made the Mecca to Alta last Feb. Sad thing is that I tend to ride with boarders, so i gotta hook up with a few 2-plankers for my last 3 sojourns (MRG, DV, Taos).

post #40 of 50
Sign me up for the Taos trip.
post #41 of 50
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Originally Posted by skiingman View Post

I'm not quite sure who came up with the bright idea that bigger faster lifts are warmer, but it simply isn't the case.

It is my experience that "cold" doesn't even have to be uncomfortable until you start getting lots of wind and temps of -15 and beyond. At -30 or -35 in the northeast, there usually isn't much wind to be found. Those temperatures are very skiable without wind, but many ski areas hesitate on those days (maybe one in a hundred).
I guess I can see where your are coming from now. It's an individual preference. For me -30* is real cold. I don't ski when it's that cold.

I also like to get the ride over quickly when it's cold. MRG's lift is quick. The longer I sit on a lift the colder I get. When the blood gets flowing I warm up. So I believe that a fast lift is a warm lift.

And Patrick, blankets were the norm on cold days at Mad River and at Stowe. Although the lift is protected, below zero is still cold to me. Back then I grabbed a blanket as did most of the skiers. Clothing is better now.
post #42 of 50
Interesting. I think I have noticed that most of the recent detachables I've been on seem to have been designed in order to keep the lift as low to the terrain as possible. I'm just guessing that ends up costing more money on most terrain (far more lift towers required) but I think if you keep the chair below treeheight you definitely keep it warmer.

Has anyone else noticed that? I don't think I've been on any new lifts that have pulled the 100-200 foot high gulley crossing thing recently, but I can think of a few that definitely followed the terrain down into a gulley and back up the other side. Doing that probably lowers the freakout factor as well.

And are there any shareholders here who know if the new lift is going to be powered by 'lectricity?
post #43 of 50
I still kind of freak out a little the first time riding the lifts out west like Alta who have no safety bar. Back east alot of places have big signs - "You must lower the bar - state law" and all that. Damned lawyers .

Only issue with low lifts is when you get a lot of snow like we did back in 96 - you have to dig out the lifts
post #44 of 50

Did you say Resort???

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Originally Posted by dookey67 View Post
i've actually been wanting to hit MRG as part of my "visit to the last 4 resorts in America
A warning if you go. Don't call Mad River Glen a resort in front of a local.

MRG is anything but a resort. Resorts are the Tremblant, Killington, Whistler of this World were skiing is what you do between your shopping and dinning.

Mad River Glen is hardcore and is uniquely about the skiing, no fancy restaurant, boutique and over-price cafeteria food. The way it was and the way it should be.
post #45 of 50
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Originally Posted by Paul Jones View Post
And Patrick, blankets were the norm on cold days at Mad River and at Stowe. Although the lift is protected, below zero is still cold to me. Back then I grabbed a blanket as did most of the skiers. Clothing is better now.
I don't doubt what your saying Paul.

I know they were the norm on cold days, not only at MRG or Stowe, but also at Tremblant. However I've never seen them out and I've skied on really cold days at MRG, Stowe (single was closed on that day in the 80s) or Tremblant (started skiing there as a kids in the early 70s).

When the last time you saw them, I'm just wondering.
post #46 of 50
I had blankets a couple of times, and I started skiing in New England in 1982. It was probably at Stowe, but maybe MRG.

I think I probably caught the tail end of them though -- only had them a couple times.

I'm not so sure it is a matter of clothing. The blankets took two extra workers - one at the bottom to hand/throw them to you and one at the top to catch them. Plus they had to send a pile of them back down every so often.

Given the difference between going up and coming down, I want my blankie!
post #47 of 50
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Originally Posted by mdf View Post


I'm not so sure it is a matter of clothing. The blankets took two extra workers - one at the bottom to hand/throw them to you and one at the top to catch them. Plus they had to send a pile of them back down every so often.
It was also a matter of safety. As I recall there was a problem with a blanket getting tangled in the cable at the top. It was serious.

Mad River had another accident on the single. Does any one remember that?
post #48 of 50
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Originally Posted by skiingman View Post
And are there any shareholders here who know if the new lift is going to be powered by 'lectricity?
Found it!!!

It will be the main drive.

Here is what was in ECHO, MRG's Newsletter - March 2005.

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All of the options considered would have electric drives with diesel back-up. · The refurbished single option was quoted as a 50-year fix. It would be every bit as reliable as either the new single or double chair options

The existing design of the single chairs themselves would be used. Features of a Refurbished Single Chair The proposed refurbished single chair would have the current lift capacity of 500 skier/hour and would look almost identical to the existing lift to the untrained eye. It would have all new components. The only existing equipment that would be re-used would be the wire rope and the lattice towers and return station framework. The towers and framework would be removed, sandblasted, re-painted, and re-installed on their new bases.

Other features of a refurbished single chair would include; ·
New Single Chairs – Identical design to existing chairs ·
New Sheave Assemblies – The wheels on the towers ·
New Tower Bases ·
New Safety System ·
New Bull Wheel & Carriage
post #49 of 50

New single

As long as it still has the little hook that you can hang your poles from...
post #50 of 50
I wonder what Betsy thinks about it.
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