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Bad Rental Gear for 5 year old??

post #1 of 19
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Not sure if this stuff matters for a 5 year old or not, but I thought I would ask because I'm concerned... I live in Colorado. I'm renting skiis for the season for my son. We ski 2-3 days/week almost every week in the winter.

I rented skiis from a big chain store last year for my 5 year old son. He had Atomic Race 5 skiis 80cm. They looked pretty cool and shaped, and were pretty much brand new.

Anyway.. I decided to try a more local shop. The gentleman in there was nice... I rented skiis and boots from my son, but now I'm wondering if I made a mistake.

The skiis he gave me were Dynastar Outland RL (Junior version) 90cm. Marker M9 Bindings (Grey with bright yellow). Technica Racer Rear entry boots. They look kind of old. The skiis aren't really shaped. The boots look kind of worn inside. Anyone know how old these things are? I think I saw something about Outland skiis on a web-site from 2003.

My son doesn't seem to care, but then again, I don't want him to be a pain once we get on the slopes. The ski shop isn't near any of the ski areas.

I'm wondering if I made a mistake by getting this older stuff. I'd rather pay a little more and not have to screw around with crappy equipment.

The small rental place had some of the Atomic Race 5 skiis that my son rented last year on the floor, but they didn't have bindings. The rental person didn't know when he would have them available.

Anyway.. Does all this matter with a 5 year old? I don't know if I should care or not. I think mainly the boots worry me (cold/sore feet or something).

Anyway...opinions either way welcomed....
post #2 of 19
molgulman, there is a kids ski swap here that you might like http://forums.epicski.com/forumdisplay.php?f=42
and an entire family ski forum dedicated to discussions just like this. http://forums.epicski.com/forumdisplay.php?f=35

Stick around and check out the site. Some kids don't seem to mind skiing in lower performance equipment but it gets to be more critical as you try to get them to more effectively use the edges, shape and flex of the ski. Good luck.
post #3 of 19
Thread Starter 
You think I should try returning the rental stuff? I just rented it today. Not sure if they guy would take them back or not.. or if he will be pissed. He didn't spend a lot of time, but he did take 15 minutes.
post #4 of 19
Thread Starter 
Did you want to move this to the family discussion forum?
post #5 of 19
I'll move this to the family forum. I'm sure you will get some good feedback in the morning. My biggest concern with what you have described is that the fit may not be particularly good. I think a kid deserves enough time and attention to put them into properly fitting gear. Anyway, there are lots of folks with little ones here that have been through this.
post #6 of 19
For the money spent on rental gear for a 5 year old, you may be able to find equipment to buy cheap, and sell at the end of the season. Get your money back.

As for bad gear. I'd be more concerned with the maintenance of the equipment. Are the bindings in good condition, the buckles on the boots secure, the edges of the skis sharp enough to effectively stop your little skier when needed???

When it comes down to it, you have to look at the equipment and decide if its safe and in good enough condition to not waste your time on possible equipment failure. Your post here leads me to believe that you should return the equipment. Your doubt says it all!
post #7 of 19
Skiing 2-3 times a week, i would say yea, get the newer, shaplier stuff.
post #8 of 19
Find a new "small shop" ..... the chains may rent new shiny stuff but the fit is critical too!

A smaller good shop will make sure that your kid is in the best fit at that time and then even adjust for growth during the season.

Many posts on this but there are levels of gear you can rent ....

I do not recommend buying stuff for kids who ski even quite a bit. Over the years you will end up with a garage full of stuff and only get pennies on the dollar if you sell it used.

Is it worth it tying up a few days waiting for the phone to ring ..... haggle price ..... and still get beat? Been there, done that and bought the T-shirt and keychain ...
post #9 of 19
Thread Starter 
Maybe I'm just over-reacting...

I posted pics...

The guy in the shop had rear-entry and buckle boots. I said that he had rear-entry last year and he immediatly brought those out instead. Also.. I mentioned the shoe size. He kind of brought the boot out and put the bottom of the boot against my sons foot. He also had him try on one boot.

I notice there are no footbeds in the boots. Is that normal for kids boots?

He did mention that we could change sizes throughout the season.
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post #10 of 19
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Originally Posted by mogulman1 View Post
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The skiis he gave me were Dynastar Outland RL (Junior version) 90cm. Marker M9 Bindings (Grey with bright yellow). Technica Racer Rear entry boots. They look kind of old. The skiis aren't really shaped. The boots look kind of worn inside. Anyone know how old these things are? I think I saw something about Outland skiis on a web-site from 2003.....
if those jpeg's from your post below are the skis you rented, they look like they have pretty good shape - narrow waist, wide tail and shovel.

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Originally Posted by mogulman1 View Post
...He kind of brought the boot out and put the bottom of the boot against my sons foot. He also had him try on one boot...
That's pretty standard before placing boots on kids. Lots of parents give a shoe size that tends to be the wrong size. Please don't take this the wrong way, but a common assumption is that the child's Mother has a better handle on kid's clothing sizes.
post #11 of 19
I see a badly worn boot sole and no adjustment over the instep.

Be sure release checks are done right! If you don't mind me asking...how much are season rentals for this?



post #12 of 19
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Originally Posted by Yuki View Post
I do not recommend buying stuff for kids who ski even quite a bit. Over the years you will end up with a garage full of stuff and only get pennies on the dollar if you sell it used.

Is it worth it tying up a few days waiting for the phone to ring ..... haggle price ..... and still get beat? Been there, done that and bought the T-shirt and keychain ...
Which is exactly why it will cost you less to buy your kid gear and sell it later than if you rent.

PM Yuki!
Rumor has it, he has a garage full of ski gear for which he can only get pennies on the dollar!
post #13 of 19
Thread Starter 
It was $99 for the season.
post #14 of 19
The skis look fine.

The boots? I don't know. Do the liners have rough spots around the ankle? Very often kids feet move around in boots that are too loose and cause pilling (if thats the word) that can cause irritation and blisters. If they have a 2 or 3 buckle overlap, get those.

As far as footbeds, they should be in there. A lot of times they get folded up beyond usefulness, or someone sticks chemical footwarmers to them and they get mangled by the adhesive. You kid wants a little arch support.
post #15 of 19
Skis look fine.
I would (and will) spend more time and effort on boots for my son. They could be fine if the insides are good and they fit. I just can't tell.
post #16 of 19
Thread Starter 
Ok.. So I went back to the place. The owner was very pretty nice.


I wasn't so concerned about the skiis, but asked if he had anything newer. I was more concerned about the boots because they didn't have a footbed and were pretty worn inside.


He got some different skiis (for some reason he didn't have them yesterday)... Fischer RC4 and some different boots (2 buckle).

The boots had removable liners, so I took them out (read about that here in the forum). With his foot far back in the liner and standing..he has a little more then 1/8" from his big toe to the front of the liner... It was a size 12... It seemed big, but the owner seemed to think that was fine. His normal shoe size is 9-10. Is that normal?

Not sure if the skiis are better, but they look more modern.

Thanks for all the help on here....

Here are the picks of the newer stuff.
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post #17 of 19
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Originally Posted by mogulman1 View Post
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........ It was a size 12... It seemed big, but the owner seemed to think that was fine. His normal shoe size is 9-10. Is that normal?..........
Sure. The boots were made in The Chech Republic for an Italian company for the North American market. Or some story along those lines. Something gets lost in the translation.

Size is just a number. If it fits, it fits.
post #18 of 19
Thread Starter 
Thanks!!

I can't wait for things to open up... 27" of snow up at breckenridge... Woohooo!!
post #19 of 19
I have two daughters (now 8 and 5) who started skiing over two years ago. Since we live in NYC, we (they) only go skiing every weekend, unless we plan a long five day trip to Utah or Vermont, which we have done a couple of times. Before they took to skiing I was debating whether to get rental equipment (boots and skis), buy them new gear, or buy them used but good condition gear on ebay. As I know the gear I wanted to get for them and am somewhat familiar with the big ebay ski gear sellers, I decided to just buy them used but good condition gear from ebay. Besides, I'm a pretty avid ebayer so that was the only sensible place for me to get used stuff.

To make the rather long story short. I have bought and sold a few pairs of childrens boots and skis on ebay in the past two years. This "system" has saved me a lot of money but I had to be diligent.

Boots were around $25 to $30 in ebay and before buying boots I asked for the exact measurement of the inner footbed and checked the picture condition of the boots. If they were too loose when they arrived, I would let them wear thicker socks. If too tight, then thinner socks. That is pretty much what could be done with children's boots anyways since we are talking about millimeter adjustments here and there. Since they outgrow the boots every year - back to ebay they went and some boots I even sold higher for what I bought them for.

Skis were about $60 to $90 in ebay and as long as I knew the length, saw detailed pictures of the underside, and saw the bindings - which should be adjustable - they were fine. I have since bought and sold about four pairs of kids skis in ebay as the children use them, move on the a longer ski and grown up. The only pairs I have kept at the end of the season were their very first pairs which they wanted to keep as a "lifetime souvenir" of their love affair with skiing. I painted the top side with clear lacquer and these now hang like brand new skis in their bedroom walls. But I digress....

At the end of two years, I have spent much less than my neighbor who has been renting boots and skis for his one daughter every year. And the big difference is my children know their equipment and are comfortable with them every time they use them.
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