Originally Posted by BigE
If you don't know what you are doing, will the waiver you sign have any merit? (eg. one shi shows DIN 10, the other 4 -- you win?)
If you do know what you are doing, it would be irresponsible for you not to check the work yourself, regardless of having signed the waiver. (eg. one ski shows DIN 10, the other 4 - you lose?)
So, in the end, it's all about you, not the shop.
It's not the waiver, it's the process they go through before you initial it, where you do check the DIN as they point it out to you.
If they point at the window and say 8, but it's set on 4, and you can see that, then it becomes your responsibility whether or not you sign the sheet. You either say, "It doesn't say 8, fix it"; or, "Whatever, I'll sign." Then it's your deal.
I'm speaking for the people who don't KNOW, who are normally in the rental shops. Everyone on this thread does know, and can use their own screwdriver after they've signed and initialed whatever forms and waivers are required.
I'm just speaking from the other side of the issue. I am not a nanny-state-lotsa-regulation kind of person, at ALL. I despise frivolous lawsuits, and I prefer a higher freedom/higher responsibility society. During the two years I lived in California, the Government Warning signs plastered all over the place made me gag.
But I was in a situation where I could see a good reason to go through the rigamarole ... checks and balances aren't necessarily a bad thing. It's quite fashionable to badmouth the US as overly litigious, before all points of view are considered.
And yes, I should have checked. I already said that. I was out of my element, and my normal routines were disrupted -- that's why this made me realize how most tourists from Oklahoma are feeling when they are doing the same thing in my home.
All that said, it's crazy not to be able to waive the recommended DIN if you ask. I've been able to do that in some shops, but not in others. I don't know why. I wish I knew the case law on this --