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Here are a whack of ski vids from Whistler Ski School

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...for the hackers at BB Forums to dissect...have fun...and beers and a chunk of hash the size of your thumb. http://wbsnowboardtraining.com/video/skiing-videos
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I really don't understand why the short turns are all skidding.
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What should they be?
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the bump skiing did not look particularly strong imo.
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The rousseau short turns are ok.
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Originally Posted by therusty View Post
The rousseau short turns are ok.
Yeah those were solid, very powerful. That vid was the only short turn one I didn't watch the first time.
post #7 of 75
Then again the Rousseau is a legend.
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Originally Posted by doublediamond223 View Post
I really don't understand why the short turns are all skidding.
Agreed. And the bump skiing also had a lot of skidding for that style.
post #9 of 75
I missed Eric Rousseau in the short turns. There you go!
post #10 of 75
Talk is cheap

Please post your versions.
post #11 of 75
This is true!
post #12 of 75
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Originally Posted by BigE View Post
Talk is cheap

Please post your versions.
I did. http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=38927

Where are yours?
post #13 of 75
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I'm not talking.
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BTW, if you are comparing the turns you posted to the whistler turns, you are comparing apples to oranges.
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Wow

Love those vids. Some nice skiing there. The Canadians ski with not only power and efficiency but also do it with style.
post #16 of 75
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Originally Posted by BigE View Post
BTW, if you are comparing the turns you posted to the whistler turns, you are comparing apples to oranges.
Ok, what the hell are you trying to prove with all the passive-aggressive comments in this thread?

Do I ski like a demo team member? No. I never said I did. I responded to your dropped gauntlet and showed you that I not only posted video, I asked for an MA. You then respond with the BS comeback, "I wasn't talking." If you want to tell me I suck, fine, go for it. Save your apples and oranges comments.

Technique credibility on this site, in my eyes, is determined in large part by posted video.

I think a demo team who is supposed to show ideal technique on groomers should be carving! Simple!

The Italian demo team seems to have no issues with this, nor do the CSIA lvl 4 vids, both of which are imo excellent.

If you want to blow me out for daring to challenge the almighty wisdom of the Whistler ski school, then fine! Go for it! The veiled, passive-aggressive comments irritate me far more than that would.
post #17 of 75
Great skiing! I have yet to see the perfect carve style that is implied by the MA threads posted here or anywhere. I say if there is a better way to ski, let's see some examples of it.
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Originally Posted by doublediamond223 View Post
Yeah those were solid, very powerful. That vid was the only short turn one I didn't watch the first time.
Thank God you recanted the Roussea comment....I was gonna bitch slap you! I also checked out the Russ Wood vid's....he is skiing awesome too, although not the power house that Eric is....you think he is skidding? Seriously....if you could beat Russ in a race course, I'd eat my hat. This guy rips....
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Originally Posted by SkiMangoJazz View Post
Great skiing! I have yet to see the perfect carve style that is implied by the MA threads posted here or anywhere. I say if there is a better way to ski, let's see some examples of it.
Did you look at the Eric Rouseau vid? To me that is what it is all about. The Russ vids are great too....although if I understand what your getting at...I agree, that alot of what is written here on carving is just wrong.
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Did you look at the Eric Rouseau vid? To me that is what it is all about.
Yup, awesome skiing.
post #21 of 75
Skidude - if it makes you feel any better i liked all the short turns... I'd be happy if I could ski like them!
they are short turns - not slalom turns (at least that is how I would see it...) so they are further form the "carving" spectrum.... but they don't claim to be "carving" do they?
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Originally Posted by Skidude72 View Post
Did you look at the Eric Rouseau vid? To me that is what it is all about. The Russ vids are great too....although if I understand what your getting at...I agree, that alot of what is written here on carving is just wrong.
What about the bumps vid. I see skidding, tips in the air and sitting back. I also see fantastic bump skiing, but seriously, don't you also see those points. Maybe it's a matter of preferrence or perception of style. Or maybe I need to go next in the vid to see all of my flaws, pole saves, gorilla turns and falls!

It's easy to sit back and criticize. 'Just wrong' or just jealous - both I guess. I haven't seen contitions like that in the bumps in quite a while!

Pay back's a bitch. At some point I will post my vid and be beaten to a pulp. Cant't wait!:
post #23 of 75
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Originally Posted by Paul Jones View Post
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What about the bumps vid. I see skidding, tips in the air and sitting back. I also see fantastic bump skiing, but seriously, don't you also see those points. Maybe it's a matter of preferrence or perception of style. Or maybe I need to go next in the vid to see all of my flaws, pole saves, gorilla turns and falls!

It's easy to sit back and criticize. 'Just wrong' or just jealous - both I guess. I haven't seen contitions like that in the bumps in quite a while!

Pay back's a bitch. At some point I will post my vid and be beaten to a pulp. Cant't wait!:
I've never done MA online, and I'm certainly not going to start with these videos of top pros! Heck, even BigE is afraid to take a crack at it! "Not talking."!? When did he get so quiet? Just kidding, Big, love your stuff, keep it coming. Maybe you prefer to reserve critique for those you ask for it.

When I peeked at the videos, I looked at the first bump run and one other and I had the same thoughts as Paul Jones. Hot skiing, dynamic, looks fun, sloppy.

I have since gone back to check the Rousseau, fast skiing (if you blink, you miss it), powerful, clean. More like what I was expecting to see.

Paul, it's not easy to sit back and criticize and I don't think you are "just wrong" in any of your comments. By the way, I'd rather be skiing like the guy in the first vid I peeped than the technically correct skiing I was expecting to see.

I'd love to post some video of me skiing to show all of you how it's done. I think the gang would be far less reticent about my skiing then they are with these videos!
post #24 of 75
A few points:
a) Those are damn solid turns regardless of how you look at it, and I think as a whole the best feature is that they demonstrate how you can have different approaches to a given turn and they'll all come out looking damn good if you have the right ingredients.

b) Keep in mind that these are *demonstration* videos - the CSIA is very big on demonstrating to a level achievable for your student, and from the look of it, these are pegged at demonstrating the standard for a level 3 short turn - early edge, but still some pivoting effort at the start of the turn, with some decent rebound. Likewise with the bumps video, it's not showing the most balls to the wall bumps skiing, its showing a level 3/4 standard, and it should be pointed out that it's still damn fine bumps skiing - watch the upper body, it stays pretty much rock solid throughout.

c) While I'd say with the possible exception of the demo short turn run (bottom right of the page), those are pretty much a very clean carve (look at the last couple frames of Russ Wood's first run - good shot of some very clean railroad tracks).
Having said that, just because there's some pivoting/skidding (at least at the start of the turn) isn't an automatically bad thing. Being able to make a clean carve definitely takes some skill, especially to master, but it's just one skill to use in a turn. The CSIA likes to get people able to make very strong skidded *and* carved turns - that way when you've mastered both, you're able to make any sort of turn you want, from a low end purely skidded turn, to a pure railroad track carved turn, and anything in between.
Teaching people that a carved turn is the end-all-be-all of skiing tends to result in skiers that get their skis on edge and stay there. Riding the sidecut makes for a clean carve, but not a technically proficient skier. Just look at a WC GS - you won't see anyone cleanly carving the course, they use a very finely tuned combination of skidding and carving.

Finally, I'll just say that I've had the pleasure of skiing with Eric Rousseau for 5 weeks, and he's one of the finest skiers and instructor/coaches you'll find. He always skis with that super high intensity you can see in the video, and often more. If you're at W/B, try and get a lesson with him, it'll be worth it.
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Originally Posted by doublediamond223 View Post
Ok, what the hell are you trying to prove with all the passive-aggressive comments in this thread?

Do I ski like a demo team member? No. I never said I did. I responded to your dropped gauntlet and showed you that I not only posted video, I asked for an MA. You then respond with the BS comeback, "I wasn't talking." If you want to tell me I suck, fine, go for it. Save your apples and oranges comments.
Short turns will have some skidded component to them, since there is a turning of the feet used to create that short turn. The turns you posted are longer than the turns from the Whistler ski school. That is all I meant by the Apples an oranges remark.

No slight towards you was intended. Obviously, my post was not clear enough.

Please accept my apology. I shall try to be more clear in the future.
post #26 of 75
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Originally Posted by disski View Post
Skidude - if it makes you feel any better i liked all the short turns... I'd be happy if I could ski like them!
they are short turns - not slalom turns (at least that is how I would see it...) so they are further form the "carving" spectrum.... but they don't claim to be "carving" do they?
Loaded question Disski...but I'll try and answer it this way. Neither Eric nor Russ is purely going from carve to carve (I know it is tuff to see in the Eric video as his feet are below the roll, but trust me, I used to ski with this guy everymorning on session for years)...but having said that, I would say that they are doing somthing actually more advanced then pure carving.

The goal is not really about carving, it is about generating and capturing ski performance (carving or edging is just one component of that)...both these guys are doing it extremely well. It is actually easy to see...if you look at the russ or eric vids...especially on the russ vids...notice how they seem to actually accelelerate from one turn to the next...that is ski performance, that is the goal of good skiing.

"Slalom turns" only really very in turn shape, not as round and loopy..the Eric turns are closer to slalom turns...basically slalom turns are designed to allow you to keep going faster and faster down the hill, turning only as much as needed to get the next gate..."instructor turns" are desiged for you to get to your desired speed and then stay there....
post #27 of 75
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Originally Posted by Paul Jones View Post
Pay back's a bitch. At some point I will post my vid and be beaten to a pulp. Cant't wait!:
Paul,

Next time we ski, I will get some bump video of you and we can post it.
post #28 of 75
I watched 3 of the videos on the W/B instructors. The first two were demonstrations on skiing black terrain and the other extremely short one by Eric Rousseau. It was clear that Rousseau demonstrated better skiing, however, the other two demo vidoes showed technique which I would die to possess. One question about the "skidding" which was mentioned. In the first two videos about black diamond skiing I did notice that the demonstrator was prone to lift his left leg off the snow. Was that the move which prompted people to comment about "skidding" turns? Furthermore please comment about the "lifting" of the leg off the snow. It seems to me a throw back to "straight skis" where we tried to totally weight the down hill ski and intiated turns by "totally" unweighting the uphill skis and sometimes to the extreme of lifting it off the snow.

Thanks.
post #29 of 75
What really got me was telerod saying "looks fun, sloppy."

Sloppy? OMG!

I really want to see some video that shows better skiing, skiing that someone here COULDN'T criticize. Really. Please someone post something.

What does REALLY good skiing look like, inquiring minds want to know.
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Originally Posted by g-force View Post
...for the hackers at BB Forums to dissect...have fun...and beers and a chunk of hash the size of your thumb. http://wbsnowboardtraining.com/video/skiing-videos
Nice!

Thanks for sharing

Kudos again to anyone who posts links to high end demos. As you can tell from my signature below, I am a big time visual guy:

Thanks a bunch again g-force!!!!!
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