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Elan 777,Dynastar 8800 or v-Mantra

post #1 of 18
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I am looking for a 2nd ski for off Piste, fresh snow and trees here in Colorado. I am 5'11" and about 190 LBS. Fairly agressive skier but starting to try and incorperate more technique and finess as I get older (currently 48). Ski all over the mounatin. I have not skied the the 777 but I do have the S12 Fusion and like the "damp" characteristic of Elan. I skied the Dynastar 8800 once at Taos in Fresh snow and had a a good time on that board. I was impressed but I skied the length down from the 178 and it felt to short. Last years model is on sale here for $450. I think I would opt for the 178. I have heard good things about the Mantra. How does it compare?

They are out of the 777 close out models (last years) so If I get this I have to pay full boat retail. Loolks like ski-depot is out as well.

Oh yes, I forgot to mention, I am coming off a pocket rocket as my second ski and I am looking for something that is not near as noodley .
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post #2 of 18
I ski the 8800 in 178. For your height and weight I think the 168 is too short. The 8800 is a great ski and a search will yield the many things written up about it last year. There have been a lot of them on Eprey but prices haven't dropped much yet. I paid under $450 for mine last January (at a ski shop) and mounted them with Salomon S900 Alium bindings that I had.
post #3 of 18
I have skied all three fairly extensively. The common thread between the 8800 and the 777 is the relatively straight shape and medium flex while the Mantra has quite a bit of sidecut and is fairly stiff. I like all three but personally prefer the straighter shape as I don't feel that I have to be "ON" the ski all the time. The Mantra is definitely a better carver and has possibly more speed potential but it is at it's best with a commited pilot on board.

SJ
post #4 of 18
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Originally Posted by jbuhl View Post

Oh yes, I forgot to mention, I am coming off a pocket rocket as my second ski and I am looking for something that is not near as noodley .
What length Pocket Rocket where you on? That might help...
post #5 of 18
Just mounted the 8800 with Fritsche Freerides - same age, height, weight.

My only mild doubt is length - I went 178, but wonder if maybe I should have gone longer... Fact is, I live in the East and get out West just a couple of times totaling maybe a half dozen days of backcountry on average there. Between that and Jay Peak & Mitersill-Cannon, the lack of much big open terrain skiing drove me towards the shorter (178) length.

If I skied regularly in big open spaces, I'd have gone longer.

As for the other skis, I've heard lots of good things. No doubt each has a different feel and personal preference will come into play.
post #6 of 18
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pr length

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Originally Posted by Bandit Man View Post
What length Pocket Rocket where you on? That might help...


175
post #7 of 18
When you say " 2nd ski for off Piste, fresh snow and trees " do you mean powder specific? I ski the 178 8800 as an everyday ski in tahoe - 178 is great length for chutes, trees. For powder, 8-12+ inches, recommend 188 8800 or somethingelse. This summer I bought somethingelse - Sugar Daddys as a powder specific or day or two old powder. The SD's would be a repacement/upgrade to your pocket rocket yet be much more versatile off and onpiste - carve better, stiffer, more float... Apologies for throwing another ski into the mix - you mentioned wanting to replace the PR's with something less noodley = SD's.


btw - some new SD's w/412's on eBay for $499... probably the 04/05 412's, then again, maybe not...
post #8 of 18
175 is just too short for your size and weight. I bought 175 PR's way back when as my first venture into fat skis and they felt way too short for me at 5' 8" and 170 lbs. (at the time ). I really think you would be best served by going after something 180+ in length and 95+ in the waist. Mantra's are going to set you back a fair bit, as they'll be hard to find on sale. I think some Scratch BC's, Seth's/Chiefs, or Gotama's would all work. I know that is a different direction than you have stated, but I think something a it longer and somewhat stiffer is what you want but don't know it.
post #9 of 18
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175 is just too short for your size and weight. I bought 175 PR's way back when as my first venture into fat skis and they felt way too short for me at 5' 8" and 170 lbs. (at the time ). I really think you would be best served by going after something 180+ in length and 95+ in the waist. Mantra's are going to set you back a fair bit, as they'll be hard to find on sale. I think some Scratch BC's, Seth's/Chiefs, or Gotama's would all work. I know that is a different direction than you have stated, but I think something a it longer and somewhat stiffer is what you want but don't know it.
Thats what I thought when I read his post Chiefs, Seths... good suggestions...
post #10 of 18
Since the discussion has now gone outside your original question, here is an anecdote that may help.

Last year I had a customer on 175 PR's call me and ask the same type of question. He wanted something a little more substantial than the PR without going a lot longer or getting something so burly that it would drop kick him into next week. He described himself as 6' - 200 lbs level 7-8 and he was late 30's IIRC.

After a lot of discussion, I suggested a Dynastar Big trouble in 176 which he eventually bought. He was very happy with the choice and said it was substantial enough that he felt more confident at speed and in rough stuff, but it was not so agressive that it made him work too hard.

Just a thought.................

SJ
post #11 of 18
Thread Starter 

suggest

Damn sheeez you guys got me spinning now. I went down and looked at the Mantra's and flexed them next to the 8800 and I liked what I saw and felt. Then a shop empoyee comes up (smelling like he just done a fresh bowl in the parking lot) and starts telling me how the Mantra's "Just rip d-u-u-u-de"

Then my bud from summit county calls up and tells me how kick ass his Seth's are and he also has a pair of PR's.

I think I may have to punt for now and do a demo day and prepare to pay more $$ than I planned. The wife is gonna be pissed again.

Thanks for all the suggestions.
post #12 of 18
I think that can be a problem with talking to gear nuts like us on this forum. You come in here thinking you've got it narrowed down to a few different skis. Someone tells you that those skis are like night and day. Another person suggests 5 more skis to try. You leave more confused than you were when you came. Mission accomplished
post #13 of 18

Dynastar 8800

I'm 5' 7" at 175lbs and ski the 8800 in a 178cm length.
Mine are the 04/05 model and I mounted them 1.5cm
back of the mark for that year.

Love the ski in Tahoe. Length is just right. Surprisingly
they are great in soft bumps.
post #14 of 18
With the quality of todays skis, it all comes down to personal preference. Soft flexing, mid-stiff or stiff. If you are looking for a ski that will be used more often in East Coast off-piste conditions; an 8800 would do very well out East in a 178CM length. It would also do quite well out West too. So would a Head Monster iM88 or a K2 Outlaw. Take a look at last years B4 in a 178CM. There are a lot of options. Even a Fischer Kehua in a 177CM might fit your bill.
Volkl Karma in a 177CM would handle anything on an EC mtn and most of the West Coast front side resorts. Decisions, decisions...
post #15 of 18
I've owned two of the three you mention (Mantra, 8800), and agree with SierraJim's comment about being "on/off." I'd add that these two have a very different feel to them. Mantra's a lively ride that prefers to be on edge, quicker turning than most skis 15 mm narrower, pretty good on hardpack, but can get bounced straightlining in heavy crud. 8800 is smoother, calmer, can also wiggle through tight spaces, but much prefers long radius sweepers in soft snow. Not a hardpack ski. Think Taos, Squaw, Park City = Mantra; Snowbird, Vail, Jackson = 8800.
post #16 of 18
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Originally Posted by Birdman829 View Post
I think that can be a problem with talking to gear nuts like us on this forum. You come in here thinking you've got it narrowed down to a few different skis. Someone tells you that those skis are like night and day. Another person suggests 5 more skis to try. You leave more confused than you were when you came...
Words of wisdom; please tell me again, how old are you? :

Cheers,

Michael
post #17 of 18

selling 8800

I have a new pair of dynastar 8800 in 178, never drilled never touched perfect condition that i would sell. contact me via PM or e-mail.
post #18 of 18
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Words of wisdom; please tell me again, how old are you? :

Cheers,

Michael
19. And I'm not saying that what we do is bad, you just have to come here and take what everyone says with a grain of salt. As you spend more time here, you get to know some people more. No names mentioned, but I'm far more likely to take advice from some posters into consideration than others. Being 5'8" and from the East, I'm not going to go out and buy 194 LPs coz some guy from Utah says that they rip. Rock on everyone
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