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Unusual binding sighting

post #1 of 12
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Jeff and I saw these bindings on a pair of old skis today at a tag sale. Neither of us have ever seen this type of binding before.

The skis were unusual too, in that they were all black, with raised metal "Hart" insignia on the tips.

Anyone know anything about these binding or skis?

[ September 20, 2003, 07:06 PM: Message edited by: Bonni ]
post #2 of 12
Are those Cubcos? Is that an Arlburg strap?

My God, I feel old.
post #3 of 12
Oboe- I don't think that is an Arlberg strap, just a runaway strap (from the days before brakes). They don't look like the Cubco bindings I remember from junior high school days- those had a single exposed spring at the toe and heel, but they could be an older model. My first pair of non-wood skis were Hart Standards, but these are clearly older than those.
post #4 of 12
Am I ever dissapointed

. . . . and I thought you folks were accomplished ski historians.

Bonni, the bindings were made by Miller. For years Miller was based out of Orem, Utah - a community south of Salt Lake City. The toe and heel piece on the Miller binding were similar - if not identical - and released in every conceivable direction. They used to demonstrate them by skiing down a hill and into a solid object about boot height; the skier would then take a flyer . . . .

Miller was also well known for the Miller Soft; a powder ski by design and ahead of its time by virtue of a shorter design length. As recently as the late eighties, it wasn't unusual to see Miller Softs in the Snowbird tram on a powder day.

The Hart skis in your photo are typical of early sixties skis - like Converse sneakers: black or white, high-top or low - early Heads and Harts were plain black, but were a galaxie ahead of their wooden ancestors. I still want a pair of Hart Javelin SSL's (black and white) and XXL's (red and black) for the garage.

Class dismissed,

post #5 of 12

Didn't the Miller bindings also come with some type of insurance policy - $500. or something like that?

If memory serves, these bindings are around the same vintage as the intro to buckle boots. Yes?
post #6 of 12
What identifies the Miller for you, IG?

It's been years and years since I saw a pair, but there WAS a very similar binding called the Wiley that was developed by a physician/engineer who worked with my father. I THINK it was marketed by one of the sports companies that started out as a fishing gear manufacturer.

The Wiley had double springs like that on the toe and heel pieces that secured/released either a concave or convex part (I think the latter) that matched up with a similar fixture attached to the boot ends. Having a ball in a socket allowed for releasing in any direction that forces applied.
post #7 of 12

I vaguely remember something about an insurance policy, but I couldn't say one way or the other that the policy was associated with Miller bindings. I remember that Graves skis were guaranteed for the life of the skier.


I probably shouldn't assume a rigid position on the Miller versus Wiley question, because I can't say for absolutely, positively, certain that it's a Miller in the photo. But I think it's a Miller.

Now I guess I'm the one not getting a passing grade in Ski History, because I've never heard of Wiley. However, the Millers did use a convex metal piece attached to the toe and heel of the boots - like giant tap shoes - as you mentioned.


edited to cover up my stupidity :

[ September 21, 2003, 05:25 PM: Message edited by: Inspector Gadget ]
post #8 of 12
Whaddya mean unusual, I've got those on my Pocket Rockets!
post #9 of 12
ahh the early ancestors of todays Marker bindings
post #10 of 12
I think the Hvam binding came with an insurance policy. Invented by Hjalmir Hvam, their advertising slogan was "Hvoom with Hvam", really.
post #11 of 12
I did a quick search and found the following clip on Miller bindings Miller bindings

Under S J Quinney award

[ September 22, 2003, 01:55 PM: Message edited by: skier_j ]
post #12 of 12
Well good gawd, I hope you bought them. Never know when they might come in handy.
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