or Connect
EpicSki › The Barking Bear Forums › On the Snow (Skiing Forums) › Ski Gear Discussion › Pow Ski - Gimme some recommendations
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Pow Ski - Gimme some recommendations

post #1 of 20
Thread Starter 
Hi all,

I'm 5'6", 158 lbs, level 9+, 39 year old male. I ski mostly Whistler.
I've been skiing the Rossi B3 168cm the past 2 years (the newer, orange model). Great all mtn ski. But now I'd like a big mtn pow ski to add to the quiver.

I tried the 174cm B-Squads at the tail end of last season. Too much ski for me (I like to turn occasionally).

Recommendations? Gotamas? Legend Pro Riders?
post #2 of 20
if you ski Whistler, why not demo a Prior and support the local boys?

http://www.priorskis.com/skis_doughboy.php#

I personally haven't skied one, but they do pretty extensive Demo Days throughout the season.
post #3 of 20
Level 9+ !?!
post #4 of 20
Easy...PM Gear Bro's, 179 softies.
post #5 of 20
I had a pair of 183 Doughboy's last season. Great in the fresh but, the tip was a bit soft in the cut up and the crud. Worth a try though...since you carry 40 less lbs than I do.
post #6 of 20
Quote:
Originally Posted by adviljunky View Post
Hi all,

I tried the 174cm B-Squads at the tail end of last season. Too much ski for me (I like to turn occasionally).

?
Definitely, a No on the Legend Pros. They are bigger (smallest 186cm) than 174cm and very comparable in stiffness to the Squads.

Try the 176 Gotama.
post #7 of 20
Thread Starter 
X-East: I've been skiing since 1971. Used to compete semi-pro moguls back in the day. Old knees. But can still huck off a 20' drop and keep up with my national team buddies. Don't bust my chops.

Thanks for the recommendations folks. Will probably try a pair of Gotamas. I could get a pair of B4s but want to try something a bit different than the B3s for variety.
post #8 of 20
Quote:
Originally Posted by adviljunky
X-East: I've been skiing since 1971. Used to compete semi-pro moguls back in the day. Old knees. But can still huck off a 20' drop and keep up with my national team buddies. Don't bust my chops.
Busting chops is what I do best Seriously though, my wife tried the 174 squads and found them plenty easy to turn (she's 5'7"/145lbs) - she's probably a solid level 8 skier - the shorter squads are MUCH softer than the longer bad ass ones.

I think a gotama would treat any decent to total expert skier very nice - I just think you may be "between sizes" - between the 176 and the 183 - they ski very short.

Have you been on fat skis before? If not it takes time to get used to the width and that may have affected your experience with the squads. As someone who first got on a fatty a little over a year ago I can say that it takes a few days to get used to the higher angles needed to get them up on edge and make them turn as fast as you want. Perhaps give them another shot. I have to think you can't go wrong with the squads, 174 apache chief or 173 sugar daddy. I might even steer you toward a longer ski like the 179 Seth Vicious or 179 Soft Bro Model or for a real soft, floaty quick turner the 180 Elan 999.

If you want to jump off things and fly in soft snow then longer and fatter is definitely the way to go - stiff or soft is more a matter of taste when it comes to pow sticks.
post #9 of 20
i'll second XEC's post about getting used to fat skis.

i purchased a pair of Mantras (177) last season and i'm still working into them (coming off 198 Rossi's). i find that i had to adopt a much more floating style as opposed to tight turns and total control. usually the more i let "go" per se, the better i feel on the Mantras.
post #10 of 20
How come on tgr you're just a level "9-ish"?
post #11 of 20
not me. i'm level 7-8, i think. hell, i don't really know what i am. i ski predominantly blacks and off-piste these days and while I may not look like Jean-Claude Killey, I get down the hill okay.

but isn't 9-ish similar to 9+?
post #12 of 20
^^ Not you dookster...I was talking to adviljunky...he posted the same question at tgr today but, perhaps due to my questioning his 9+ status, he labeled himself a level "9-ish" over there....he got a fair amount of ribbing, mainly for posting a gear question in the main forum but also for describing his skills with the use of a PSIA "level" as those spirited fellas don't really identify themselves with that crap, err uhh, stuff...

...you're ruining my joke dude
post #13 of 20
Thread Starter 
I think my level is dropping as the day goes on.... ;-)

the snow was super wet & thick the day I skied the Squads. Probably gave me a mis-impression. Don't get me wrong, it's the bomb. I recall flying down Westcirque at terminal velocity. I just found my knees sore at the end of the day. If I was 29, not 39 the squad definitely would've been the ski for me.
post #14 of 20
sorry to harsh your humor XEC.

the "level" thing is pretty funny all around. If you go to rent/demo they have the I, II, III ratings. I always tell them I'm between II and III, which throws the shop for a tizzy. then you have the levels 1-through-9. it's really hard to tell unless you've actually been rated/graded by a professional. i mean i ski the blacks and double blacks and many a resort. then again one resorts black is another's blue or double diamond, so that's not a fair barometer, either.
post #15 of 20
No sweat D.

If you can AJ, demo the 176 Legend Pro if you can find one. It's a new size this season but I haven't really seen them anywhere. They are stiff and burly but strangely supple and quiet and easy on the body (the front of the tip has a soft section that seems to quiet everything down. They don't porpoise you up in untracked like other softer fatties but in tracked out pow I bet they can't be beat...for going really fast that is.

What's your budget? Are you strictly looking at new sticks or would you consider used?

I'm asking because there are a lot of skis 2-4 years old that would do you right and you can get them on ebay pretty cheap. Makes it easier to use a little trial and error in your shopping since you can literally buy them, try them for a while and if you don't like them sell them and lose maybe the cost of a demo. Seems I always find the skis I like best I don't really like right away and the ones I like when I demo I "outgrow".
post #16 of 20
(Quote)if you can AJ, demo the 176 Legend Pro if you can find one. It's a new size this season but I haven't really seen them anywhere. They are stiff and burly but strangely supple and quiet and easy on the body (the front of the tip has a soft section that seems to quiet everything down. They don't porpoise you up in untracked like other softer fatties but in tracked out pow I bet they can't be beat...for going really fast that is.

I saw the Legend Pros in a 176 today in the shop- they were much softer flexing than the 186's and seemed even a tad softer than the Mantras- how do they compare with the Mantras on snow- besides being uglier- any thoughts?
post #17 of 20
RE:.......Legend Pro 176

They are similar in beam and torsional flex to a Mantra
They are somewhat more damp than a Mantra
They have a straighter shape which I personally prefer in crud but YMMV.

They are $200 more expensive...............:

SJ
post #18 of 20
Mantra in a 177.
Fischer Kehua 177
Dynastar Big Trouble in a 176
post #19 of 20
Jim, would you make the same comparison between a 184 Mantra and 186 LP?
(and did you ever sell those 194s?)
post #20 of 20
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cirquerider View Post
comparison between a 184 Mantra and 186 LP?
I cannot do the 184 Mantra to 186 LP compared, but I can do the 191 Mantra to the 194 LP. From what I have heard the 186 & 194 LP are same stiffness and I have both 184 and 191 Mantras. My bet is that the 191 to 194 comparison scales down to the 184 to 186.

The skis are similar and all difference a small but noticeable.

194 LPs(05/06): heavier, stiffer, burlier & more damp. Less shape. Smoother at high speed GS turns in the Crud/Corn. Better edge hold (reminds me of old straight skis). Better hard snow carving. tougher/harder bases. Feels like big GS ski and that the ski is not the limiting factor. Does not like bumps or any super tight spaces or super short turns. If you take the LP in a tight space be prepare to practice old school jump turns. Can be necessary to do old school weight/unweight at low speeds. Default turn radius feels GS to SG (medium to long).

191 Mantra (05/06): Lighter, softer (medium flex), quicker edge to edge. More Shape. Better float. Less demanding ski, but still great at Crud/Corn (lower top speed). It can be muscled for short turns if you need to. It is possible to get them through large but not too close together bumps. Default turn radius feels GS (medium)

Neither ski seems to have any hooking tendency like the XXXs they replaced.

The 191 Mantra is my everyday ski. If I could put in 12-15 days in a row early season, I would be tempted to try to build my legs up enough to make the LPs my everyday ski.

If you are looking at 1 ski quiver or need the ski to be your powder ski also, I would recommend that Mantra over the LP.

What about 184 Mantra: I find these to be super quick, short turns no problem. Great in tight trees. Good in crud/corn, but not great like 194 LP or 191 Mantra. I noticed less edge hold compare to the 191 Mantra. Default turn radius feels medium to short. Basically, the 191 Mantra gives me slightly better off-piste performance than the 184 Mantra and that is why got the 191s to replace the 184s.

CR, hopefully that was enough info to cause a ski buying dilemma.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Ski Gear Discussion
EpicSki › The Barking Bear Forums › On the Snow (Skiing Forums) › Ski Gear Discussion › Pow Ski - Gimme some recommendations