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mantra or something else??

post #1 of 20
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Hey all. I wanted your opinions on which ski to get this year. I live in northern MN and so most of my skiing is crappy midwest. I've raced for quit awhile and am skiing on race stock volkls. I'm 5'8 and 150 lbs. I want a ski that i can ski outwest with and don't have any way of testing a powder ski. I want something i can ski off piste mostly. If there is any fresh snow or anything deep and steap thats where i will be. I still would like to have something that can make some good gs turns as well. I've been eyeing the mantras but i'm not sure if that is the right ski for me. After skiing The Gullies at big sky last winter in fresh powder, i decided i would flip the coin for a second pair of skiis. Thanks a bunch guys! We have frost advisories out tonight. Still not a snow storm.....but it's getting close!

Reid
post #2 of 20
I think the mantra and the AC4 are pretty close for all-around boards; AC4 would be nicer if you just find pow every once in a while. Mantra would be better if just need GS on groomers once in a while. But if you have hard-snow skis, go mantra. Better yet, gotama. Are you moving out west? To be honest, the mid-fat range is huge this year in most brands. Perhaps a bit more information about yourself could help. How often you going out west? What's your current quiver?
post #3 of 20
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My only ski right now is a 165 volkl p60sl. The only time i would use a powder ski here is in the park. So skiing midwest i would have to say i would use the twin tip maybe 15% of the time. Would the mantra or gotama be too big to be a park ski? My main goal is to have a ski i can take to the backcountry, ski crud, and be stable and nimble on the groomers. 70% pow, 20% crud, 10% groomers. Thats what i want the ski to do. If there isn't any good snow anywhere, i would just use my race skis and rip up the groomers. How different are the gotama and mantra other than one being wider? Thanks guys. Hope this isn't too vague!

Reid
post #4 of 20
I think you'd be very happy with the V-Mantra, and probably over a wider range of conditions than you think. It is a ski that is capable of very short turns, even in longer lengths. It has good float and has a shape that allows it to perform well on groomers as well. Last year I used a Mantra 90% of the time with a pair of V- 6 Stars taking up the firm conditions. Pretty similar to your idea. From what you have described, I don't know how you could go wrong. I wouldn't recommend the Mantra in the park because it has enough metal that you could bend it. I would look for something softer and more twinned in the park anyway. The Mantra has a kicked up tail, but its not a true twin. But what the Mantra does well, it does very well. It will open up a part of the mountain in a way you didn't expect. Steeper, faster, deeper. You think its fun now, wait until you have the right tools.
post #5 of 20
2nd the Mantra and how well it performs. I really enjoy mine from everything from groomers (but not ice/super hard) to powder.

I would also recommend looking at the Gotama. The Gotama would be a little more of a powder focused purchase without going for a pure powder board like the Sanouk or Sumo.
post #6 of 20
I second CR in that the Mantra is NOT a park ski.

I will also say that of all the skis I purchased last year and rode, I suprisingly ended up using the Mantra the most. Took it with me to Utah, JH, and used it my last two days of skiing at Mammoth over the 4th of July. I was at first a bit put off by it's fatness, having come from Rossi 7S's in a 198 length, but it's the ski i ended up choosing on fresh days as well as spring conditions and crud days (I have a Karma, No Ka Oi, and Titan 8 in my quiver).

That said, I'm still working my way into the Mantra and we'll see what this season brings.
post #7 of 20

volkl

i've skied mantras and karmas and have found that if you want a ski that can do more of everything they are both good. the karma does better on piste and in bumps and still rages in pow, trees, and steeps. i ended up with the karma and do not regret my choice..ps the karma is a better park ski
post #8 of 20
Thread Starter 

size?

Sweet! Well i think i am going to go with the mantra. Good call on not taking them to the park. And in actuality....i'm not a huge park person. I just take a few runs through there to mix it up a bit. So now for the next two questions: this years or last years and what length. Is this years worth spending the extra coin or should i go with last years model used. I am good in the powder but not great. So would i really notice the difference between the two model years? For length......i'm 172 cm tall and 145 lbs. I can rip on the groomers and in the crud but would give myself a 5 out of 10 in the pow. Does the usual chin, nose, and eye area still apply?
post #9 of 20
Thread Starter 
Oh and what bindings are you guys using?
post #10 of 20
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Originally Posted by Wrinkledpants View Post
70% pow, 20% crud, 10% groomers. Thats what i want the ski to do.
If you find a place where you can ski 70% powder and 20% crud let us know. Unless you hike for your turns or are at a Targhee, Wolf Creek or Powder Mtn. like ski area when the access road is closed you're probably more likely to find 20% powder and 70% crud or even worse.
post #11 of 20
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Originally Posted by Wrinkledpants View Post
So now for the next two questions: this years or last years and what length. Is this years worth spending the extra coin or should i go with last years model used. I am good in the powder but not great. So would i really notice the difference between the two model years? For length......i'm 172 cm tall and 145 lbs. I can rip on the groomers and in the crud but would give myself a 5 out of 10 in the pow. Does the usual chin, nose, and eye area still apply?
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think there's very little difference between this year's and last year's Mantra except for graphics. Volkl's website says this year's edition has been slightly stiffened. Personally, I like last year's look better. If they are the same if you can find last year's Mantras you'd be getting a better deal. However, Mantras were a big seller last year so you may not be able to find them new. Check e-bay and be patient. As far as length goes, either 170cm or 177cm. If you want a quicker ski go for the 170cm. If you want a bit more float and stability go for the 177cm.
post #12 of 20
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Originally Posted by Prosper View Post
If you find a place where you can ski 70% powder and 20% crud let us know. Unless you hike for your turns or are at a Targhee, Wolf Creek or Powder Mtn. like ski area when the access road is closed you're probably more likely to find 20% powder and 70% crud or even worse.
Ha! yeah i guess thats wishful thinking. This is why i needed help finding a ski
post #13 of 20
I have my Mantras mounted with Marker Titanium 13 Pistons.

I would NOT recommend these. I haven't had a problem with them in regards to releasing or not, it's just that they're heavy as hell and I can't tell if the Piston action works or not. Other than making my skis weigh a ton, they generate hours of laughter from my friends who keep flicking the On/Off switch and asking me if I can tell a difference or not.

I do have the Rossi Triaxial Ti 120 Pros on my Karmas and like those fine. Many a folk on Karma and Mantras both here and on TGR seem to gravitate toward the Rossi/Look bindings. Have also heard folks toss out favorable thumbs up to the Head/Tyrolia Mojo series.
post #14 of 20
Thread Starter 
Sounds good. I will take alook at what you recommended. Yeah the piston technology was designed to dampen the chatter you get when on ice or really hard snow. So i will definitly stay away from those since they weigh so much.
post #15 of 20
im 5'10" and 165. id recomend the 177. you seem to have the bindings nailed down, my 177's are mounted with the rossi axial 140's. I almost regret not going longer to the 183. I float well, but could be better. Id say go longer with the 177. The 170 would be too unstable and squirly
post #16 of 20
I have skied both Karma and Mantra. They are both excellent in the Volkl tradition but I have to say that I wound up skiing the Mantra quite a bit more. I think it is superior partcularly on firmer snow and with a racing background you will probably like it as well. Obviously the Karma is superior for park skiing due to full twin but have a tendency (as all TTs) to roostertail your friends at speed. Karma also has a strange topsheet this year.
post #17 of 20
never had a problem with my 05/06 Karma's roostering. I hesitate to even call it a park ski. Hell, SKI magazine reviewed it last year and they NEVER talk about twin-tips and park skis (they sadly referred to it as a ski that will make your friends think you've gone over to jibbing, but that you probably shouldn't really take into the park). i like how both ride, but they both ride differently.
post #18 of 20
Assuming you go with a Mantra, and assuming you like to ski fast, go with a 177. As far as bindings, you don't want or need a piston/track/elevated binding on a ski that's 94 mm at the waist and already stiff. I use Tyrolia Mojo 15's on mine and they've never failed me; the diagonal heel release is good for slow twisting falls in heavy powder. Looks/Rossignols when they still had the true turntable heel are also excellent (if you can find one). Marker Free's with Ti are also light and reliable; some complain about pre-release. Not my cup of tea, but lot of folks like Salomons for powder skis because of their light weight.
post #19 of 20
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Originally Posted by beyond View Post
Looks/Rossignols when they still had the true turntable heel are also excellent (if you can find one).
i just picked up a pair of the new rossi 140's. The replaced the turntable style. Are these new ones not as knee friendly as the old ones? Ive never had a problem with them, ever. Im kinda scared that the new ones will kill my knee when im on my karmas
post #20 of 20

Rossi Axial 2 Ti

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Originally Posted by madmanmlh View Post
i just picked up a pair of the new rossi 140's. The replaced the turntable style. Are these new ones not as knee friendly as the old ones? Ive never had a problem with them, ever. Im kinda scared that the new ones will kill my knee when im on my karmas
They are supposed to be safer, more predictable releasing and more rigid than the old pivot.

I had some of the 120 axial2 Ti's on Rossi B3's last year.

While I cant vouch for the release aspect they definitly held the boot in with a tighter, more solid connection that the old "turntable" models.

I think you will be fine with the 140 Axial 2.
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