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post #31 of 56
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Originally Posted by doublediamond223 View Post
No, the comment irritated me. If he was referring to my retaliatory statement stemming from my post that was meant to be helpful, I would have objected.
Tief is rarely riled .When he is it is usually warranted. Your post seems an attempt to be helpful. So many have been grumpy lately and posting short, pointed replies of the somewhat unfriendly type.
I agree with Tief I have seen too much of this lately from many differant posters.
Opinions are often colored with truth and vary as much as the spectrum and are just as valid as the next persons.
post #32 of 56
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Care to be more specific?
Sure
post #33 of 56
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Originally Posted by tief schnee View Post
OK, we all said our piece..lets get back to the thread at hand
post #34 of 56
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Originally Posted by Phil Pugliese View Post
OK, we all said our piece..lets get back to the thread at hand
Sure
post #35 of 56
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Originally Posted by doublediamond223 View Post
No, the comment irritated me. If he was referring to my retaliatory statement stemming from my post that was meant to be helpful, I would have objected.
I already apologized for my comment to DD23 in this thread, I took his comment wrong at the wrong tirme.

The quote from tief is one I posted on another thread where a poster was talking about helmet defects, and some other posters were doubting the original poster's veracity (or, that how it looked to me). No problem, just another noob driven off the site. Then, not 10 minutes later, I jumped on DD23. Nobody's perfect. This is the main reason I made my post. Then others jumped on the bandwagon, but to lesser degrees.
post #36 of 56
Tempers are clearly short because of a lack of snow. When the white stuff starts to fly in earnest no one will have the heart to be angry anymore. Forgive and foget.
post #37 of 56
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......The quote from tief is one I posted on another thread.........
And I was just having a bit o' fun and did not mean any futher harm.


Man I wish it would snow.
post #38 of 56
so, how 'bout Marker system bindings?
post #39 of 56
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Originally Posted by icanseeformiles(andmiles) View Post
I already apologized for my comment to DD23 in this thread, I took his comment wrong at the wrong tirme.

The quote from tief is one I posted on another thread where a poster was talking about helmet defects, and some other posters were doubting the original poster's veracity (or, that how it looked to me). No problem, just another noob driven off the site. Then, not 10 minutes later, I jumped on DD23. Nobody's perfect. This is the main reason I made my post. Then others jumped on the bandwagon, but to lesser degrees.
I don't see anything in that post comparable to the crap you're spewing here, but whatever.
post #40 of 56
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Originally Posted by icanseeformiles(andmiles) View Post
so, how 'bout Marker system bindings?
my old man has a set of the 05/06 volkl marker binding system and is yet to have a problem with the pre release that many have suggested happen. However i also have friends with older marker bindings that have pre-released...

with that in mind, and because i am significantly heavier than my father, i would choose salomon over marker if they were my two choices... my preference however is the look turntable bindings which i note they don't appear to be making anymore :
post #41 of 56
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the helpful imput everyone.

Could we keep the bickering to a minimum please? It makes for a hard read since I don't know all of you and the history and why all this is going on.

Although I do argee with Birdman, everyones just getting antsy for snow.
post #42 of 56
To nudge things back to the thread, I'll go Phil one better. Let's say all modern systems are solid, well designed. What's left is how the system fits individual styles of skiing, just like skis. So I'll offer these ideas about Marker and Salomon, both of which I've owned:

Markers with the inevitable piston are all about damping shovel vibration. Pros are reduced chatter, therefore smoother more predictable grip. Cons are loss of liveliness, snow feel, and (if already stiff), a stiffer front section that asks more to turn. Toes are considered the most advanced in the business. Heels are traditional, unremarkable. Work best for skiers who concentrate on ice/hardpack, like aggressive carving. Works least in extreme backside or racing, where toepieces are more concerned with loads on knees than keeping you in the ski.

Salomons are conservative in design, light, considered bombproof. Pros are their weight and reliability, cons are wings that can loosen, same hidebound design. (Still don't have true upward release at toe unless it's changed the past two years.) Work best for skiers who concentrate on powder, chop, take air, like snow feel. Works least well in hard chop/ice where traditonal design can deliver too much feel unless you have steel knees.
post #43 of 56

Beyond.. Where have you been, this couldabeen a 5 post thread.

If I may add, I grew up on salomon's and they DO WEAR OUT. Or used to.  As was mentioned earlier the toe "wings" get sloppy. translates to the ski doesn't follow the boot angle/lean (on edge inputs) until the input exceeds the slop. One time at bandcamp- er I mean Whistler, the top chair FINALLLYYYY openned! I don't remember the trail but it was a chute- you had to drop into. On my 3rd "workin it!" turn I blew the toe binding completely OFF the ski.1 ski-hop turn to the right, power turn to the left-REPEAT!. Feel the burn had a whole new meaning! Yes I switched feet- but back then you weren't supposed to. IN ALL FAIRNESS- that was 20+ yrs ago. Found a used pr exactly the same in whistler, and later that afternoon blew the OTHER toe off the ski! My  Boots were the Salomon xs 91 Equipe- and you know what- I STILL LOVE THOSE BOOTS!!  Super SUPER light, instant edge transfer! INSTANT ADJUSTMENT - 96MM, to 104MM with a turn of a tab! Thin socks-fat socks, didn't matter. Morning rip or late afternoon cruise-   65 to130 flex with a flick!  cant, cuff, fwd lean all adj!

  SALOMON !! ARE YOU LISTENING! ?? Just make the heel higher than the toe- please.

I have Volkle Supersport 5 star W/ markers- I Love them. "I" can FEEL the purity of the whole edges tracking in one precise line, or carve!  It's an awesome feeling. - you just cant get that with a flat spot, THEY conflict. However snow's forgiving.

   SAME FEELING my ATOMIC BETA Race sl! with a rail pkg that rocks!  HERE IS THE POINT- AN ADVANTAGE " S-O-M-E " RAIL SYSTEM'S HAVE THAT'S TOTALLY AWESOME!  Ripn Moguls, ripping turns @ a digital speed {LOL} it's all great till the powder hits.They're: 126 x 65 x 108 = 12mtrs @ 170 cm! Oh the WORK! BUT WAIT! THERE'S MORE! You can slide the ENTIRE BINDING SET BACK! Now the tips FLOAT!!! OMG!  You are standing with the weight properly c entered-NOT SITTING BACK, SHORT& DEF NOT FAT skiis and the tips are floating! Suddenly-It's not work! lIKE WINNING a second pair of skiis! oohhh YYEEAAHHHH! 

My guess Salomons are better than they used to be- and i dont believe in premature anything- they released exactly when they were supposed to, bad form, ice chunck, twisting through wet cement, whatever, they just released before you expected. ONE LAST note, could they NOT BE releasing as expected because the binding's have been cranked down forever? Did you relieve the pressure every spring? have you kept them clean? Or do you throw them on the car roof to get fodded with dirt & crud, every ski trip, summer dust & dirt year after year? they're your legs.. srry bout the length- seemed to be more than Sol, or mrkr, add rail or no rail. One mans opinion. ts-all. 


Edited by VT2Wa skier - 10/30/13 at 12:24pm
post #44 of 56

This has to be one of the strangest seven year old thread bumps I have ever read or tried to decipher. Welcome to Epicski? 

post #45 of 56
You just reawakened a seven year old thread.
post #46 of 56

I don't know what to say. Cool? I didn't know you could do that? Just seemed lots of pertinent info was not addressed.

 

Sorry, I "obviously" hadn't looked at the date.

 

I apologize. no harm done right?

 

is that a record?

 

lol, Jim

post #47 of 56

@beyond is still with us, though.

post #48 of 56
Rip, is that you?
post #49 of 56

Well here's my update, perhaps not so much integrate binding as Marker pre-release related.  Marker Comp 16s performing well, no pre-releases. No non-releases.  Seems like a good binding.

Still like my Tyrolia 490s though.  Why can't they keep making those?

post #50 of 56
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This has to be one of the strangest seven year old thread bumps I have ever read or tried to decipher. Welcome to Epicski? 

 

i thought at first it was Josh - but the spelling was too good...:devil:

post #51 of 56
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Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
 

Well here's my update, perhaps not so much integrate binding as Marker pre-release related.  Marker Comp 16s performing well, no pre-releases. No non-releases.  Seems like a good binding.

Still like my Tyrolia 490s though.  Why can't they keep making those?

 

The Comp 16s and 20s work well Ghost. Just got to remember to adjust the forward pressure a half turn past flush.  Also check regularly, they do seem to have a tendency to slacken off the forward pressure for some reason

post #52 of 56
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Still like my Tyrolia 490s though.  Why can't they keep making those?

for the same reason Chevy stopped making the Corvair?

post #53 of 56
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Still like my Tyrolia 490s though.  Why can't they keep making those?

for the same reason Chevy stopped making the Corvair?


Ralph Nader didn't like them?

post #54 of 56

Ralph's poorly known prequel: "Unsafe at Any Release Value."

 

It sold so poorly that he turned to cars as an easier target. 

post #55 of 56
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Still like my Tyrolia 490s though.  Why can't they keep making those?
490's are still the binding choice of ski base jumpers because of the way they pull to release.
post #56 of 56
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Still like my Tyrolia 490s though.  Why can't they keep making those?
490's are still the binding choice of ski base jumpers because of the way they pull to release.


Comes in handy when upside down in a tree-well too (been there done that).

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