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Best Midlayer Fleece?

post #1 of 32
Thread Starter 
I'm replacing a worn out fleece jacket that I wear under my hardshell. The ones I've looked at so far are the Arcteryx Maverick SV and Delta SV look like they would make a nice warm midlayer. The only thing is the Arcteryx fleece jackets are so snug fitting in the arms that it would make it difficult to layer much else underneath cept for maybe a thin baselayer.

Any suggestions for a good warm fleece midlayer that would still have room for layering underneath? Typically I would normally wear a thin synthetic skinlayer, a light weight fleece shirt, a thick warm fleece jacket all under hardshell. And yes, it can get extremely cold up here in Canada.
post #2 of 32
thats a lot of layers, i only wear a tee shirt and jacket
post #3 of 32

My picks would probably be

MEC Amenity or Doppler Zip-T with Polartec Thermal Pro
Patagonia R2/R3.
post #4 of 32
Patagonia also makes a down sweater which i am toying with as an alternative to fleece on reeeaaally cold days. Anyone tried those? now i use my down vest under the jacket when it's bitter, but it is too poofy and i feel like the michelin man in it.
post #5 of 32

Phenix Aerothermo

I usually wear a Phenix Aerothermo vest with a base/lightweight layer below it and my hard shell over it. Been doing this for about 4 years, and it's holding up great (no pilling, etc.) Works great down to about 10-15 degrees.

If it's colder, then I have an Aerothermo jacket (which can also be worn as a soft shell) or I just put on (cycling) armwarmers to layer on my arms. See if http://www.race-werks.com/index.php still has Aerothermo stuff on sale.
post #6 of 32
Patagonia R2 or R3, depending on how much weight you'll need.
post #7 of 32
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Originally Posted by Dino View Post
I usually wear a Phenix Aerothermo vest with a base/lightweight layer below it and my hard shell over it. Been doing this for about 4 years, and it's holding up great (no pilling, etc.) Works great down to about 10-15 degrees.

If it's colder, then I have an Aerothermo jacket (which can also be worn as a soft shell) or I just put on (cycling) armwarmers to layer on my arms. See if http://www.race-werks.com/index.php still has Aerothermo stuff on sale.

Dino, how breathable is the Aerothermo jkt?

My mother just bought the Aerothermo jkt. It fits her perfectly. It is a soft shell and will wear it as an outer layer. But in the cold she wants to wear a hard shell over it. As a mid layer how does it compare to fleece in terms of warmth and breathability?

Thanks,
Jamie
post #8 of 32
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Originally Posted by sywsyw View Post
Dino, how breathable is the Aerothermo jkt?

My mother just bought the Aerothermo jkt. It fits her perfectly. It is a soft shell and will wear it as an outer layer. But in the cold she wants to wear a hard shell over it.

Thanks,
Jamie
Drape it over a blowdryer on 'cool' to get a perceptible measure.
post #9 of 32
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Originally Posted by wizard View Post
I'm replacing a worn out fleece jacket that I wear under my hardshell. The ones I've looked at so far are the Arcteryx Maverick SV and Delta SV look like they would make a nice warm midlayer.
Arcteryx Maverick AR is on REI-Outlet's sale currently, $99 US. I bought one -- nice jacket -- but agreed, it is slim-fitting.

http://www.rei.com/online/store/Prod...=OUTLET_SEARCH
post #10 of 32
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Originally Posted by El Chupacabra View Post
Arcteryx Maverick AR is on REI-Outlet's sale currently, $99 US. I bought one -- nice jacket -- but agreed, it is slim-fitting.

http://www.rei.com/online/store/Prod...=OUTLET_SEARCH
Looks nice, but I don't think I could look at that red every day (plus i have a blue shell). The blue is terrible, looks like the 1985 model.


I'm probably going to snag one of these soon:

Mountain Hardwear Monkey Man Jacket

http://www.backcountry.com/store/MHW...atch=MHWMMJSPH


(Also, didn't know you posted here chup, cool to see you)
post #11 of 32
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Originally Posted by doublediamond223 View Post
I'm probably going to snag one of these soon:

Mountain Hardwear Monkey Man Jacket

http://www.backcountry.com/store/MHW...atch=MHWMMJSPH


(Also, didn't know you posted here chup, cool to see you)
I bought a huge thick fleece from STP like that Mtn Hardware one, from Lowe Alpine. It was too bulky to fit under an outer shell, so I returned it. Also I tend to be pretty warm when skiing so I don't want a lot of thick layers -- most days it's just long underwear & softshell; if it gets cold, I'll add a fleece vest. If it's really nasty out, then hardshell.
post #12 of 32

Breathes well for a windproof option

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Originally Posted by sywsyw View Post
Dino, how breathable is the Aerothermo jkt?

As a mid layer how does it compare to fleece in terms of warmth and breathability?
The Aerothermo jacket breathes better than my Mtn. Hardware windstopper jacket, but not as well as microfleece. I prefer it to Polartec 200 fleece. [Caveat: I prefer to be a little cooler, instead of too warm when I ski. YMMV...]

I don't need the extra warmth of the jacket unless I'm in Whistler, Colorado, or Utah. Come to think of it: I need more trips where I need to wear the jacket.
post #13 of 32
Thread Starter 
The Mtn Hardwear Monkey Man looks good & fairly reasonably priced. How does it fit compared say with the Arcteryx fleeces? Is it the same snug fit or a bit looser? I need something that I can layer under. If you ever have skied in BC/Alberta, then you know how cold it can get!
post #14 of 32
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Originally Posted by wizard View Post
The Mtn Hardwear Monkey Man looks good & fairly reasonably priced. How does it fit compared say with the Arcteryx fleeces? Is it the same snug fit or a bit looser? I need something that I can layer under. If you ever have skied in BC/Alberta, then you know how cold it can get!
The backcountry reviews say it is snug, to the point that you need to buy up a size from one's normal size. That seems like it is in line with what people say about Arc'Teryx.

El Chup's link is good, but I think the monkey man is more breathable.
post #15 of 32
I've got a Columbia, Titanium fleece jacket that I wear under my North Face shell. I love it because I can wear layers underneath it if it's really cold, and I can also unzip it and open up the armpit vents if I'm too warm. I've been using this system for the past 4-seasons and have come to realize that I can throw all my fleece pullovers out.

I also have a fleece vest that I wear underneath the Columbia on really cold days and instead of the Columbia on warmer days.
post #16 of 32
I bought the Marmot Firelight fleece from SAC for $38 in August. It is midweight, close fitting but room to move, pit zips and has nice technical features. I don't usually wear anything this warm under the shell, but I guess it might be nice on the coldest days; or just use it by itself. Keep an eye out for clearances. I don't think you need to spend a fortune on fleece to get a good one. You can still find this jacket on closeout.
post #17 of 32
I wear an arcteryx theta AR and a mountain hardwear compressor pl for insulation. Then just a wicking base layer and a patagonia thin fleece on top of that. Keeps me toasty warm even when the temps dip into the -30s. I also have an arcteryxc gamma sv softshell that i wear instead of the shell when it gets warmer. I think the base/insulation/shell layering method is unbeatable when doing anything active. I wear the same stuff whether i'm snowshoeing up a frozen river or gate keeping at the races. Between Froogle.com and ebay you should be able to find some killer deals.
post #18 of 32
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Originally Posted by Dino View Post
The Aerothermo jacket breathes better than my Mtn. Hardware windstopper jacket, but not as well as microfleece. I prefer it to Polartec 200 fleece. [Caveat: I prefer to be a little cooler, instead of too warm when I ski. YMMV...]
How does the Aerothermo jacket compare to the Polartec 200 fleece? I am interested in warmth and breathability.

Thanks again,
Jamie
post #19 of 32
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Originally Posted by sywsyw View Post
How does the Aerothermo jacket compare to the Polartec 200 fleece? I am interested in warmth and breathability.
It's as warm and breathable as a Polartec 200 jacket, but it layers better because it's thinner. I prefer it over the Polartec 200 or Mtn. Hardware windstopper.

FWIW, if want want even more warmth & breathability, you might consider replacing your base layer with a Powerstretch t-neck.
post #20 of 32
Thread Starter 
I ended up getting the Arcteryx Maverick SV at a good price. It is snug fitting on the forearms but then it seems that everyone is trying to copy Arcteryx's fit/design nowadays. There are pros & cons to the snug fit. The disadvantage is trying to layer underneath. You're probably not going to be able to fit much else than a thin baselayer under it. The advantages is that it hugs the body & feels nice & warm next to the body.

The Maverick SV has a hi loft thermal fleece inside & a low pile wind resistant finish on the outside. It's a nice looking fleece and doesn't make you look a big furry animal like the NF Denali or MH Monkeyman. It feels like it would be warm enough with just the baselayer, fleece & shell. I guess we'll see exactly how warm this combo holds up to the cold Canuck winters pretty soon.
post #21 of 32
^^Good Call.
I have the Delta AR from arc'teryx, and I like the cut.
The upside to having a "fitted" garment, is that there is less dead air to heat up, so basically a tighter fitting top is a more effective insulator (that's what I figure).

An AMAZING layering piece which you can get from a surplus store - STAY WITH ME HERE - is the Canadian Forces wool sweater.
It is ribbed veritcally, so it stretches easily within a size, and they are fitted
like suits i.e. 40, 42, 44, and not by s,m,l,xl so you can get a better fit.
They are very warm sweaters, have reinforcement at the shoulder,
durable, and CHEAP. New ones, at least they used to be $35.
post #22 of 32
Thread Starter 
Well if anyone should know about keeping warm in winter, the Canadian armed forces should!
post #23 of 32
I'm sooooooooo tempted by the Arcteryx Epsilon on SAC right now. I don't think it's warm enough though, otherwise trigger=pulled.
post #24 of 32
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Originally Posted by doublediamond223 View Post
I'm sooooooooo tempted by the Arcteryx Epsilon on SAC right now. I don't think it's warm enough though, otherwise trigger=pulled.
I hope you changed your mind and jumped on that. I almost did, and I have enough jackets to clothe an army. I think it would have made a nice midlayer on super cold days....
BTW. When not in uniform, I use a Mountain Hardware windstopper fleece under my shell when it's really cold.
post #25 of 32
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Originally Posted by 2-turn View Post
I hope you changed your mind and jumped on that. I almost did, and I have enough jackets to clothe an army. I think it would have made a nice midlayer on super cold days....
BTW. When not in uniform, I use a Mountain Hardware windstopper fleece under my shell when it's really cold.
Nope, the mags convinced me it wasn't warm enough as a midlayer.

However, the monkey man jacket I mentioned earlier just went on sale on backcountry for 87 with free shipping, so trigger=pulled on that.
post #26 of 32
It showed up today, but I think the large is too tight. It fits under my shell nicely, but it is annoyingly tight under the arms.

What do you guys think? Should I upsize or will it be too much?

post #27 of 32
Maybe large is OK, but not in the mtn hardware brand.
Just think if the cuff is long enough and is the sleeve in the bicep too bulky or just right?
If it's jsut the armpits, probably large, but try another brand.

If you want to save $$$ - Mountain Equipment CO-OP of Canada has really
good gear at AMAZING prices. www.mec.ca
post #28 of 32
I just ordered the XL. I'll send back whichever one I like less. Backcountry has a nice return policy, and shipping is free.
post #29 of 32
Thread Starter 
DD223,
Just remember that the MH MM jkt is meant to fit snug. That's why it's called the Monkey Man, ur sposed to look like a big furry monkey not hairy sasquatch, when wearing it
post #30 of 32
I understand that, but if it bunches uncomfortably then it is pointless. I definitely prefer it to the Denali I used to have, though, that thing fit like a paper bag.
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