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Snow Tires: Best Bang for the Buck

post #1 of 116
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I'm due for a new set on the Integra. Considering these at $212 shipped to my door.

Any thoughts on "free replacement certificates?" It's additional $30 for all four.

http://www.discounttiredirect.com/di... &rd=14&ar=60
post #2 of 116
Discount Tire is a great place for snow tires. I have bought 3-4 sets of tires from them.
post #3 of 116
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Originally Posted by Phil Pugliese View Post
Discount Tire is a great place for snow tires. I have bought 3-4 sets of tires from them.
Nothing specific Phil? Anybody??

I need to get a new set also.
post #4 of 116

Studs or no Studs?

What are everyone's thoughts on studded snows vs. non-studded snow tires. Thinking about getting a pair for my Subaru for out here in colorado, some say studded tires are just noisy and don't really help..... Point. Counter-point....
post #5 of 116
Studded tires are illegal in some states. Or I should say they are not legal as far as I know. Course the last time I looked into it was around 1988 and I lived in PA. I guess laws could have changed since then.
post #6 of 116
I went with Dunlops ordered off their web site delivered to the local dealer. They were cheaper than Tire Rack and cheaper than going to the same dealer and purchasing

If I remember correctly I paid on line and the tires were delivered to the local shop a week later where I went for installation. The only thing I paid for at the shop was my usual tip to the installer.
post #7 of 116
In the Austrian ÖAMTC and German ADAC (Automobile Associations) winter tyre tests. The top four were as follows -


1. Goodyear Ultra Grip 7
2. Dunlop Wintersport 3D
3. Vredestein Snowtrac 2
4. Pirelli W190 Snowcontrol

2 to 4 were all pretty much the same on snow & ice but the Ultra grip 7's were significantly better.

PS The model not the manufacturer is often critical (e.g. The Goodyear Vector came out very bad in the tests)
post #8 of 116
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Originally Posted by Lehigh View Post
What are everyone's thoughts on studded snows vs. non-studded snow tires. Thinking about getting a pair for my Subaru for out here in colorado, some say studded tires are just noisy and don't really help..... Point. Counter-point....

Modern, high quality snows are impregnated with silica, to add traction on ice. Snow tires are made of a softer rubber that is designed to defrom and act like a suction cup on the slickest roads. Studs generally slow you down a lot, and tear up roads.

Kevin
post #9 of 116
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Originally Posted by DangerousBrian View Post
In the Austrian ÖAMTC and German ADAC (Automobile Associations) winter tyre tests. The top four were as follows -


1. Goodyear Ultra Grip 7
2. Dunlop Wintersport 3D
3. Vredestein Snowtrac 2
4. Pirelli W190 Snowcontrol

2 to 4 were all pretty much the same on snow & ice but the Ultra grip 7's were significantly better.

PS The model not the manufacturer is often critical (e.g. The Goodyear Vector came out very bad in the tests)
European tires and North American tires are different. Tires made for sales specificly for the US and Canada, allow for the crown in the road. Europe does not crown its roads.

that said, similar tread patterns from the same manufaturer should behave similar.

Kevin
post #10 of 116
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Originally Posted by AnitSuperEgo View Post
European tires and North American tires are different. Tires made for sales specificly for the US and Canada, allow for the crown in the road. Europe does not crown its roads.

that said, similar tread patterns from the same manufaturer should behave similar.

Kevin
Thanks having never driven in the US wasn't aware of the crowned roads.

The triple tread looks most similar to the ultragrip

http://www.goodyeartires.com/goodyea...area=Passenger


Should add that that the above reports were for 195/R16 - the Blizzaks and Michelin Pilot Alpin also get good reports for larger tyre sizes. I see that some of the european tyres have the same/similar name(s).

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/types/snows.jsp


Do you know if any American / Canadian organisation tests winter tyres?
post #11 of 116
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Originally Posted by DangerousBrian View Post
Thanks having never driven in the US wasn't aware of the crowned roads.

The triple tread looks most similar to the ultragrip

http://www.goodyeartires.com/goodyea...area=Passenger


Should add that that the above reports were for 195/R16 - the Blizzaks and Michelin Pilot Alpin also get good reports for larger tyre sizes. I see that some of the european tyres have the same/similar name(s).

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/types/snows.jsp


Do you know if any American / Canadian organisation tests winter tyres?
edit - just found this http://www.tyretest.com/pkw_winterreifen/index.html
post #12 of 116
I have blizzaks(run flat type) on my AWD Toyota sienna, and have never had a problem with unusual loos of traction.

kevin
post #13 of 116
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Originally Posted by Voltron View Post
I'm due for a new set on the Integra. Considering these at $212 shipped to my door.

Any thoughts on "free replacement certificates?" It's additional $30 for all four.
Seems like a really good price! Is that for four.
post #14 of 116
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Originally Posted by Amish View Post
Studded tires are illegal in some states. Or I should say they are not legal as far as I know. Course the last time I looked into it was around 1988 and I lived in PA. I guess laws could have changed since then.
studs are legal in pa during the winter, and even if they werent the chance of cop pulling you over for that are slim to none. I should know I drive highly illegal Civic Hatchback around(no cat converter, race harnesses, racing slicks elect) if they dont stop that thing for being illegal no chance in hell they are going to stop for having studs in state that doesnt allow them.

with that said i have run studded tires here in PA in the snow since i turned 16. I think i am going to non studds with chains as back up for utah this year. the drive accross the county on studded tires really is not fun.

Anyone ever use something like this? http://www.discounttiredirect.com/di... &rd=15&ar=50
post #15 of 116
Anyone use these. Greendiamond.
post #16 of 116
Nokian Hakkapeliita tires are the best snow tires money can buy (and they are surprisingly cheap) the Hakkapeliita II when it first came out was banned in rallying as it was deemed an unfair advantage. They are a little too radical for most family cars (though my dad always used them on his Porsche 911s in the winter) but their NRW and other tires are the best you can buy BAR NONE. (I have no affiliation just years of happy winter driving)

www.nokiantires.com
post #17 of 116
I can't believe nobody mentioned the best winter tire out there, Nokian Hakkapolita II. I have a studded set on one Audi, and unstudded on the other Audi, I've yet to make either slip. Although they're double the price of those Hankook things, they only go for about $100 a tire depending on size.
post #18 of 116
Thread Starter 
Considering that my alternatives are using all-season tires, I'm not terribly concerned if these Hankook's aren't at the top of the snow tire ratings.

Right now, my wallet is talking. And it's telling me that 4 tires shipped for $212 is a pretty good deal! I can't seem to find anything else close in price at the moment. I may pull the trigger when I get home from work tonight.
post #19 of 116
Cheap tires scare me. My life and car are too important to risk with an unknown tire and a cheap one at that.

With that said, I run Dunlop Wintersport M3s (studless) on my Subaru. Not only do they work well in snow, but they feel no different at 70mph than a good H rated three season tire. In 2005 I was at Mt Baker and due to the flow of traffic, I was forced to drive at 50MPH on sanded ice/packed snow. Most of the other cars had studded tires. I had no problems.
post #20 of 116
I'm with SNPete on this. I would just buy the best bang, not the best bang for the buck. One accident avoided easily pays for a set of tires. If studs were legal here I would run them. Of course that would mean not seeing top speed on the car until spring, but that's probably a good thing.

I don't know how good those tires are, but yes they would probably be better in snow and ice than just about any all-season tire. On the other hand how good will the be in the rain or on dry pavement. Most winter driving in a lot of places is on cold wet or dry pavement.

Aside: I like my Michilen Arctic Alpins.
post #21 of 116
Thread Starter 
After some looking around, it appears that the Hankook's are well regarded by plenty of snow driving folks, but they are a bit down in the media tests. I'm not convinced on the expensive and well-known though. One test rated the best-known snow tire of the decade, Blizzaks, down at the bottom.

Anyhow, if I drop down to a 185/65 instead of a 195/60, I get a few more options for still under the $250 mark.

Pirelli Winter Carving

Dunlop Graspic DS-2

Winterforce M+S

Any thoughts?
post #22 of 116
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Originally Posted by Voltron View Post
After some looking around, it appears that the Hankook's are well regarded by plenty of snow driving folks, but they are a bit down in the media tests. I'm not convinced on the expensive and well-known though. One test rated the best-known snow tire of the decade, Blizzaks, down at the bottom.

Anyhow, if I drop down to a 185/65 instead of a 195/60, I get a few more options for still under the $250 mark.

Pirelli Winter Carving

Dunlop Graspic DS-2

Winterforce M+S

Any thoughts?
I've used the Graspic. An excellent studless tire in snow/ice. Just OK for wet pavement and a rather poor tire for speeds over 50mph. At speed the Graspic makes your car feel like the wheels are out of alignment. The Dunlop Wintersport M3s are a much better choice for rain, dry and speed. They are just slightly less effective in snow/ice than the graspic.
post #23 of 116
Thread Starter 
SNPete, you might have me sold on the Dunlop M3's. I didn't think it (or any "winter performance" tire) came my size. Comes in an 185/65 R14.

$271 after shipping and the $50 rebate from TireRack.

Sounds like a winner.
post #24 of 116
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Originally Posted by Voltron View Post
SNPete, you might have me sold on the Dunlop M3's. I didn't think it (or any "winter performance" tire) came my size. Comes in an 185/65 R14.

$271 after shipping and the $50 rebate from TireRack.

Sounds like a winner.
Read the tire (rack) surveys and you will be sold (winter tires). BTW, I bought my three season tires/wheels from Tirerack last spring. A good company.
post #25 of 116
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Originally Posted by Voltron View Post
Considering that my alternatives are using all-season tires, I'm not terribly concerned if these Hankook's aren't at the top of the snow tire ratings.
I use Hankooks and they are fine. I wouldn't call them a cheap tire, in fact they are a real good less expensive tire.

Has anyone ever put a studded tire on their car with a reduced number of studs. Studs on dry pavement are dangerous. Some people put fewer studs in the tire to give better performance on dry roads.

I have thought about that for the rear tires on my Forrester. The back end is so light that it fishtails in slippery turns. I'm sure that there is some manual that says that you shoudn't do that. I'd like to put just a few studs in to give me a little extra bite.
post #26 of 116
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Originally Posted by Paul Jones View Post
I use Hankooks and they are fine. I wouldn't call them a cheap tire, in fact they are a real good less expensive tire.

Has anyone ever put a studded tire on their car with a reduced number of studs. Studs on dry pavement are dangerous. Some people put fewer studs in the tire to give better performance on dry roads.

I have thought about that for the rear tires on my Forrester. The back end is so light that it fishtails in slippery turns. I'm sure that there is some manual that says that you shoudn't do that. I'd like to put just a few studs in to give me a little extra bite.
Maybe more grippy studless tires?

A bag of Cement in the back for weight?? That's what some pick up onwers do here.
post #27 of 116
I've heard of people ripping hte tread right off Hankooks. I'd aviod them.

I have a set of Blizzak LM-25's, V speed rated winter tire, and they are unstoppable. I've driven my s40 awd through 10+ inches of snow up my driveway no problem, and they are V speed rated, so they handle great well into the tripple digits (long island to sugarbush in 3 hours 45 min including stops anyone?).

Note I do not condone speeding in anyway shape or form... :
post #28 of 116
I've had bridgestone ws-50s on my civic and have not been stuck yet. I've even passed a few suvs on the hills in duluth mn during snow storms. Ask the tire rep what the narrowest tire you can get on your rim. Alot of times, you can go 10 cm bigger or smaller on tire size. I use 185 for winter tires and 195 for summer tires.
post #29 of 116
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Originally Posted by Wrinkledpants View Post
I've had bridgestone ws-50s on my civic and have not been stuck yet. I've even passed a few suvs on the hills in duluth mn during snow storms. Ask the tire rep what the narrowest tire you can get on your rim. Alot of times, you can go 10 cm bigger or smaller on tire size. I use 185 for winter tires and 195 for summer tires.
185 is the narrowest that I can go. My current snow tires are 195 and my summer tires are 205. 185 actually works out a little better for me since there seems to be few more options with 185/65 than 190/60.
post #30 of 116
Sorry, don't know much about tires....why is better to run a narrower tire? Is simply more options? Or is there better grip?
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