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Lange 120 vs 130 boots, and generally about stiffness

post #1 of 20
Thread Starter 
Hi All,

1) I understand that the Lange WC 130 boots are a big step up in stiffness from the 120. Is that so, or is it just a small proportional increase?

2) I am upgrading from Rossignol Power 90 boots to a stiff boot (akin to Lange 120 or 130). Is it worth keeping the Power 90 boots for anything? Is it better to have a softer boot for slalom events?

3) Just so I am not confused, but what exactly does a stiffer boot give the rider? Is a stiffer better assuming you have the strength and skill to control the skis? What is too stiff? -- Would this be like with cars where a stiff suspension and steering will mean precise and quick driving at the cost of comfort?

Thanks,
Maxim
post #2 of 20
1) I own 130's, I tired on both. I did not find the 130's too stiff. There are also a couple of bolts in the back of the cuff, you can remove one or both to soften the boot. A boot fitter can also soften the shell by removing material.

2) No idea.

3) My experience is yes, stiffer is gives more precise feel of the ski on the snow. But I think I have been told that skiing in a balanced position means you should not need as tight fit or stiff a boot.

I love the fit of the Lange's, phenominal heel/ankle hold, a nightmare too get into and always requires at least one apre-ski beer before any attempt to remove.
post #3 of 20
2007 or prior models?

WC 130 and 120 are new boots this year.
post #4 of 20
First off, Voltron is correct. The 130 and 120 have a new last this year.

The Comp 120 is a very soft boot, IMO, and is really too soft for hard snow. The WC 130 is a little stiffer, but significantly softer than a Tecnica Diablo 130 or a Dobermann Pro 130. The WC 130 has a TON of forward lean, although some of that can be mitigated by grinding off the huge spoiler. (All assuming 06 and earlier)

You want a stiffer boot for SL, for instantaneous edge response and ski bending, and a softer boot for speed events to better facillitate gliding and maintaining speed on a flat ski.

As for other benefits of stiffness, it has been discussed ad nauseum. Do a search using the "search the forums" bar at the top of the page.
post #5 of 20
Thread Starter 
Ah, yes... I was talking about the 05-06 Lange boots.
post #6 of 20
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Ah, yes... I was talking about the 05-06 Lange boots.
I was talking of the 2004-2005 boots which I believe are the same as the 2005-2006 boots.
post #7 of 20
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Originally Posted by doublediamond223 View Post
First off, Voltron is correct. The 130 and 120 have a new last this year.

The Comp 120 is a very soft boot, IMO, and is really too soft for hard snow. The WC 130 is a little stiffer, but significantly softer than a Tecnica Diablo 130 or a Dobermann Pro 130. The WC 130 has a TON of forward lean, although some of that can be mitigated by grinding off the huge spoiler. (All assuming 06 and earlier)

You want a stiffer boot for SL, for instantaneous edge response and ski bending, and a softer boot for speed events to better facillitate gliding and maintaining speed on a flat ski.

As for other benefits of stiffness, it has been discussed ad nauseum. Do a search using the "search the forums" bar at the top of the page.
I don't really think that the Lange 120s are too soft a boot for recreational hard snow skiing. Maybe too soft for racing, but not for normal skiing.
post #8 of 20
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I don't really think that the Lange 120s are too soft a boot for recreational hard snow skiing. Maybe too soft for racing, but not for normal skiing.
Everyone has their own definition of stiffness. Keep in mind that I weigh 190 and am 6'2, so my perceptions can be different than most.
post #9 of 20
I've been skiing on Comp 100s for the last few years and am waiting to tr the new 130's. I tried the 120s (both Comps and Freerides) but no luck. Although they fit great right out of the box, they were too soft - the shop bootfitter pointed out that I was able to get the 2nd and 3rd buckles to touch and deform the sides ofthe boot when I flexed. Have to wait until the shop has another pair of WC 130s in my size.

I do have to give credit to my local ski shop - rather than try to sell me on another boot (I asked for alternatives) but based on the shape of my foot they told me to wait until they have the WC 130s in the shop. (Actually, they even told me that rather than buying new skis, I should upgrade my boots first).
post #10 of 20
I've used the 130's for about 2.5 seasons and I'm thinking about softening the boot for this winter or going to a softer boot entirely. I'm going to try on a bunch of different mfg this year, as the old lange last fit me perfectly and I wonder how much the low fit has changed.

Any other suggestions welcomed as I haven't been boot shopping in a while.
post #11 of 20
Last year I was looking for a pair of 120s but couldn't find my size. I found a pair of 130s and was worried that they would be too stiff. They ended up being much softer than I expected. I think some people overstate the stiffness of the 04-05 130s.

I am only about 150 lbs and 5'5" with boots on. I skied them hear in the East and out West last year and they performed great all around.

The only complaint I would have about them is they have a little too much forward lean. They fit me better than any other boot so I'll live with it.
post #12 of 20
I'm thinking of new Lange's this year as well. This would my 7th year on the L10 Race model but the shell is cracking slightly and I've duct taped the hell out of the liners so it's probably time.
1) How does the 130 compare in stiffness to the L10 Race?
2) Any difference on the forward lean beween the two? Been hearing some gripes about "too much lean" on the 130"s
3) How do they compare getting on/off when cold...the L10's are a killer
post #13 of 20

Apples v. apples, oranges v. oranges

"1) How does the 130 compare in stiffness to the L10 Race?
2) Any difference on the forward lean beween the two? Been hearing some gripes about "too much lean" on the 130"s
3) How do they compare getting on/off when cold...the L10's are a killer"

Not an exact comparison, but I came from a pair of Lange AC9s (basically softer L10s, IMO)to a pair of FR120s ('04s), and found:a) the AC9s were much stiffer than the FR120s in all temps; b) the FR120s got softer when it was warm; c) the forward lean issue wasn't a big deal to me; and d) the FR120s were much easier to get off when cold than the AC9s.

FWIW, the FR120s are much more comfortable and the easier flex helps on piste, but I think they suffer slightly in performance in tough conditions.

I still have my AC9s (size 9), but I don't wear them. They're in great shape other than some wear on the heels, but if anybody wants them for the cost of boxing/shipping, PM me.
post #14 of 20
I'm reviving this because I have been looking for 130 flex Langes (size 12/30), but only finding good deals on the 120s. I am 6' 3'', 190 lbs advanced all mountain & off piste skier looking to get into masters racing this year.

Currently in Salomon X-wave 8 Free with a 90 flex. Should I get the World Cup 120s or pay an extra $300 for the Freeride 130s (or wait and hope for a deal)? Unfortunately, I just missed out on two different good deals on the Freeride 130s, so I am reluctant to shell out the extra $.
post #15 of 20
Was mntlion out of your size on tgr? see: http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...d.php?t=133662

Also, that year's Lange 130s purportedly run 2 sizes bigger than street shoe size, and even if not, they have 11.5s at evogear that might work: http://www.evogear.com/outlet/alpine...-130-2008.aspx
post #16 of 20
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Was mntlion out of your size on tgr? see: http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...d.php?t=133662
Thanks...last pair were on hold when I called last week and sold a few days later...at Evogear, I had them in my cart and the last pair sold while I was putting in my CC info...
post #17 of 20
ah, that blows! Such great deals. Now that I think about it, I'm a little surprised about the potential move from the Sollies to Langes; they usually feel quite different on my feet. Have you tried on the Langes in the exact model you're hunting for? (They have like 3-4 different lasts now.)
post #18 of 20
Tried on this years Lange Comp Pro HP 130's last week and the Lange Comp 120's and could definitely notice the difference in stiffness at least in the shop....not a big diff but noticeable. Not sure how it will translate once out in the cold. Also the 130's are slightly more narrow in the toe box.
I like a stiffer tighter fitting boot so am going with the 130's. I've never skied anything but stiff race boots or one level down from a race boot so can't advise on what the differences are stiff vs soft as they relate to skiing.
I can tell you I think these new Lange's will be awsome boots and will give a full review once I ski em in November.
post #19 of 20
Used to ski Langes, now Sollies. All I can add is that IMO:

1) Flex ratings are ridiculously nonlinear within a brand and inconsistent between brands. Based on my stiffish Langes in the late 90's to mid 2000's, 10 points difference could mean almost no diff or could mean a lot of diff. Don't overanalyze it, instead

2) Try them, and preferably in the cold, because even plugs are inconsistent in how much they stiffen when chilled. Maybe different plastic recipes? If you can't do this in a cold climate, here's an idea: Bring one of those tiny fridges, ask them to plug it in, put the boots in for 10 minutes. Hell, I'd try it just to tell the story later...

3) Wonder if you're thinking too much about simple measures of forward flex and not enough about lateral stiffness and responsiveness throughout the turn. Just a thought.
post #20 of 20
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Originally Posted by Dino View Post
ah, that blows! Such great deals. Now that I think about it, I'm a little surprised about the potential move from the Sollies to Langes; they usually feel quite different on my feet. Have you tried on the Langes in the exact model you're hunting for? (They have like 3-4 different lasts now.)
Unfortunately, I have not been able to try on the exact model I am looking for, but was able to do a shell fit at Surefoot. However, I have been told by a well respected Epic boot fitter that the 98 mm lasted Lange/Rossi is the only boot that could work for me. He thought this years Comp Pro & Super Comp HP would be longshots, but that the World Cups from last year, this years Banshee/Pro would be best along with other 98 mm boots like B Squad Pro 130 carbon, Rossi Zenith Pro and last years Radical 98.

My Solomon's feel comfortable, but are too wide for my foot and don't really give me the performance that I am looking for.
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