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post #61 of 88
Let's not get too snobbish about this, people. The question with skiing is the same as the rule with wine, or food, or anything else you do: did you enjoy it?

Yes? Well, crack on, then. Have fun, and tell people about it in the hope that they have fun too.

No? Try something (or somewhere) else.

It's their holiday, not ours. I've been through a few different stages in my skiing life; the rabid, first-lift/last-lift stage, the chill-out, fat-bloke, cruise-to-a-good-meal stage, the quality over quantity stage ... and I chose my resort/mountains to suit.

If I wanted to toddle down blue runs for a week while eating big meals and drinking too much good wine, that's my business - and no ski maniac with powder in his beard has a right to sneer at me.

By the same token, when I come off a hill gasping for breath and with snow leaking out of every available gap in my clothing, stoked to the max and feeling bigger than King Kong, I have no right to look down on those relaxing on the terrace with a vin chaud.

Good for the magazine; it gives people what they want. It doesn't have to cater for this forum - and even if it did, we'd all still disagree with anything it said.

Coz we know better. Especially when we disagree!
post #62 of 88
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post
The biggest surpise to me are that Mammoth is not listed at all in the top ten.
Maybe it's because Ryan and I were very obnoxious drunken *******s everytime we went there last year.
post #63 of 88

and...

don't expect any change this year.

http://s55.photobucket.com/albums/g1...mammoth082.flv

but keep the fillipina dancing troupe coming.
post #64 of 88
I noticed too how Mammoth went from 9th to 18th. That is the biggest change I've ever seen in the resort guide. Wonder what upsetted them.
post #65 of 88

long lines can exist anywhere

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Originally Posted by Pete No. Idaho View Post
Telerod 15 - I agree l00% you hit it right on the head. Alpiner- its sort of cool to ski Alpine and know all the really big crowds are at Squally in their BMW's, $1,000 ski outfits and are up on Gold Coast skiing/sliding down the very easy beginneer/int. runs and then going home a saying "I skied the upper expert mountain at Squaw". The really nice thing is all of Nol. Idaho is never on any list. Keep out the hordes. I can ski Christmas and never wait any longer than l min in a lift line. Gad when I skied tahoe I'd put my ski's away for Christmas and then bring them out after New Years.
No offense Idaho,
but I grew up near Spokane went to college at Wazzu, and skiied Schweitzer *a lot* back in the 80's-90's (even spent a season staying at the old Red Baron condos) and the longest lines I have ever experienced pretty much anywhere were at Schweitzer on the weekends/holidays. Lines can get insane there.Waiting for the long slow double chair on the backside to the N. Bowl/Siberia (where the best terrain is) area or the Great Escape hspq on the front side could take 20-30 minutes

Maybe if you ski Christmas day itself I'll buy into the 1 minute wait

maybe things have changed in the last 5 years, but I would be surprised..of course during the week days your 1 minute rule is absolutely true

there are tons of skiers/boarders in Spokane/C'delane..big families that ski together too
post #66 of 88
While sandgroper's point about people having different priorities on ski trips is well taken, I don't think that's the issue. SKI Magazine is slanting the results by asking all of these peripheral questions and weighting them into the overall ranking. Sort of like the political questionnaires we get in our junk mail with "push" questions designed to get the result the politician wants to hear.

Notice that the "overall satisfaction" question (which wasn't there in the 4 surveys I've submitted in past seasons) includes Alta, Snowbird, Jackson, Powder Mt. and Mad River in the top 10. Again, it's not the survey respondents producing the overall rankings, it's the magazine editors trying to appeal to the more casual skier. So I'm mildly offended by them passing it off as the overall opinion of their readers.
post #67 of 88
Does anyone here ever contact Ski, and express your concerns on how they complie the results.
If so? what was thier reply?

I like reading everybodys repleys to the rankings. There are some smart people here, who disect the subject, and thats makes for a mor einformed readers choice of where to go.
post #68 of 88
I read it on the train this morning. Could have sworn that they've recycled/lifted entire paragraphs from earlier years... the Top 40 have been the same for so long, it's almost impossible for them to come up with new descriptions.

To quote Alfred E. Neuman: blecch.
post #69 of 88
I seriously do not see why so many get upset with this list every year.

It is like getting mad at the Grammy voters for awarding the grammy for Best Hard Rock Group to Jethro Tull... It did not mean that Tull was better than Metallica or Motorhead that year, that was just to view of thier voters.
post #70 of 88
I'm pretty sure the category that Jethro Tull won was "heavy metal."
post #71 of 88
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Originally Posted by tahoetr View Post
Does anyone here ever contact Ski, and express your concerns on how they complie the results.
If so? what was thier reply?

I like reading everybodys repleys to the rankings. There are some smart people here, who disect the subject, and thats makes for a mor einformed readers choice of where to go.
Tony Crocker asked Ski last year why they used such a "raw" score and he is still waiting for an answer. I like my theory; Ski wants to keep the "skier's mountains" for the "skiers" (who can read between the lines. Hint: Look at the ratings for the catagories you care about.)

Smart people? Tony Crocker knows where it snows. Great stuff from him in many threads. Thanks Tony.
post #72 of 88
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Originally Posted by jamesdeluxe View Post
I'm pretty sure the category that Jethro Tull won was "heavy metal."
Are you sure? Hard Rock sounds more believable., although I wouldn't label their music as either hard rock or heavy metal.

Matt7180, Jethro Tull is much better than Mettalica or Motorhead by anyone's measure, or maybe I should say, anyone with ears.
post #73 of 88
The good point is at least Seven Springs isn't in the Top 10 Eastern resorts this year. The only reason they ever get mentioned is because most of the skiers there were probably drunk when they filled out the form. Either that or the out of control skiers finally all made it into the hospital and gave up skiing.
post #74 of 88
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Originally Posted by telerod15 View Post
Are you sure? Hard Rock sounds more believable., although I wouldn't label their music as either hard rock or heavy metal.

Matt7180, Jethro Tull is much better than Mettalica or Motorhead by anyone's measure, or maybe I should say, anyone with ears.
I think it was hard rock category. The point is that Jethro Tull would have been better off in the smooth jazz category as the hard rock one.

I agree on the Motorhead and disagree on the Metallica. I always liked them. My 17 year old daughter, who listens to all of the new annoying stuff, found some of my old Metallica cds and thinks it is great!
post #75 of 88
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Originally Posted by Tony Crocker View Post
While sandgroper's point about people having different priorities on ski trips is well taken, I don't think that's the issue. SKI Magazine is slanting the results by asking all of these peripheral questions and weighting them into the overall ranking. Sort of like the political questionnaires we get in our junk mail with "push" questions designed to get the result the politician wants to hear.

Notice that the "overall satisfaction" question (which wasn't there in the 4 surveys I've submitted in past seasons) includes Alta, Snowbird, Jackson, Powder Mt. and Mad River in the top 10. Again, it's not the survey respondents producing the overall rankings, it's the magazine editors trying to appeal to the more casual skier. So I'm mildly offended by them passing it off as the overall opinion of their readers.
Yup. Alta. Voted #1 in overall satisfaction. Ranked 28th overall in the survey. Explain to me again why that's valid?
post #76 of 88
Because we don't really need more people to know how nice Alta is? Vail wins on points, Alta in a specific catagory, satisfaction.

When I'm driving in my car
and the man comes on the radio
and he's telling me more and more
about some useless information
supposed to drive my imagination.
I can't get no, oh no no no.
Hey hey hey, that's what I say.
post #77 of 88
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Originally Posted by matt7180 View Post
I think it was hard rock category.
Relax, you two: New Shimmer is a floor wax and a dessert topping!

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[Jethro Tull] won the 1989 Grammy Award for Best Hard Rock/Metal Performance, beating favorites Metallica. The award was particularly controversial as many did not consider Jethro Tull hard rock, much less heavy metal. Under advisement from their manager, no one from the band turned up to the award ceremony. In response to the criticism they received over the award, the band then took out an advert in a British music periodical with the line, "The flute is a heavy, metal instrument!".
Thus spake Wikipedia.

And the unforgivable aspect of the win was not that they beat Metallica (although Ian Anderson claimed they didn't show up because they were told Metallica was a sure win that year), but that they beat Jane's Addiction's studio debut, "Nothing's Shocking" -- by far one of the best hard rock albums of all time, let alone the year.
post #78 of 88
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Originally Posted by alpinedad View Post
Relax, you two: New Shimmer is a floor wax and a dessert topping!


Thus spake Wikipedia.

And the unforgivable aspect of the win was not that they beat Metallica (although Ian Anderson claimed they didn't show up because they were told Metallica was a sure win that year), but that they beat Jane's Addiction's studio debut, "Nothing's Shocking" -- by far one of the best hard rock albums of all time, let alone the year.
Tha is what I love about this forum... someone will always find the answer!
post #79 of 88
Soft jazz! Good one. Jane's Addiction, theres an album that's stood the test of time. Dude, where's my Aqualung? (I really only liked Benefit and Stand Up, but well, I'm a geezer).

Your kids think Metalica is OK? I'm grandpa's generation, thanks for the reminder.
post #80 of 88
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Originally Posted by matt7180 View Post
Tha is what I love about this forum... someone will always find the answer!
Yep, hard rock AND metal, everybody's right. More like soft jazz from what I hear...
post #81 of 88
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Originally Posted by telerod15 View Post
Your kids think Metalica is OK?
I'm hoping to protect mine from such nonsense.

My Metallica story is on TGR, and in a threat that is NSFW/K.
post #82 of 88
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Originally Posted by alpinedad View Post
I'm hoping to protect mine from such nonsense.

My Metallica story is on TGR, and in a threat that is NSFW/K.
Metallica in harmless, especially their newer stuff. They have become somewhat mainstream and cannot be lumped in with the "death metal" groups. however, there are death metal listeners that crossover and will listen to Metallica. In reality they are about as threatening as Will Smith is in the world of gangster rap!

Wow, this thread is really on a tangent!
post #83 of 88
This issue had no influence on where we booked our trip.
post #84 of 88
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Originally Posted by alpinedad View Post
I'm hoping to protect mine from such nonsense.

My Metallica story is on TGR, and in a threat that is NSFW/K.
For the record, that was supposed to be a "thread that is NSFW/K." But you can't edit posts on this board after someone else has posted, so there you go.

Also for the record, my talk of protecting my kids is not a question of bad influences but of lousy, predictable music-by-the-numbers. I want them to listen to music with distorted sounds, snarling vocals, and dark lyrics, but not that insipid junk. We listen to XM Kids, not Radio Disney.

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Originally Posted by Phil Pugliese View Post
This issue had no influence on where we booked our trip.
I'm guessing it had as much influence as SKI Magazine's "Top 50" guide.
post #85 of 88
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Originally Posted by Phil Pugliese View Post
Boggles my mind why Whiteface is always up there.
Just curious Phil: Why does this boggle your mind? Is it because Whiteface is so cold? I'm not trying to pick a fight as I've never been to Whiteface but I'm interested in your perspective. Why do you think Whiteface does not deserve to be in the top 10?
post #86 of 88
We shouldn't be offended if/when our favorite mtn such as Alta or Powder Mtn isn't real high on the list.
Look at the financial success of the big resorts that do rate high on the list. Vail, Deer Valley, Beaver Creek, etc cater to the vacationer and are very successful with their business plan. A lot of people go there and have a great time and return often. I think that I read that Breck was the busiest resort in the US - (a stat which attracts some and discourages others.) Vail isn't far behind. They should be high on the list.
Gary
post #87 of 88
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Tony Crocker asked Ski last year why they used such a "raw" score and he is still waiting for an answer.
My theory is still that Time4Media wants SKIING to appeal to the more dedicated skiers and SKI to appeal to high income but more casual skiers, and thus between them cover a broader range of readers than in the "Tweedledum/Tweedledee" era several years ago (remember the Powder satire?).

Both Top Resort lists are slanted accordingly. SKIING more directly by polling editors and pro skiers rather than readers. SKI more subtly by construction of the reader survey. One of my fellow stat majors in college worked in political polling for many years and I've learned to appreciate some of the issues involved in constructing surveys and getting useful info out of them.
post #88 of 88
I think you have it there, Tony. It makes sense to segment your marketing (look at what Vail did a few years back with its various Colorado aquisitions) so you're not competing with yourself, and you can expand your market for advertising too.
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