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post #361 of 399

I thought HEAD gave him until yesterday to publicly recant or they would take action against him?  

post #362 of 399

Well he and Head had a contract.  The contracted included many parts, I'm sure.   If one party doesn't honor one part of the contract, it's probably best to let the courts decide who owes whom how much for not doing that part. 

post #363 of 399

Mr. "Free Spirit" has decided to stick it to his most recent benefactor (HEAD) in direct contradiction with what he plainly agreed to a year ago. After all "It's just business" not a real promise, right Bode? I have always been a great fan of his racing and I have enjoyed his antics but I think something stinks here.Race on the HEAD skis Bode and switch to BOMBER in 16/17 like you agreed.

post #364 of 399

 

Taken of the Bode in Chile recently.

 

Practical me sides with HEAD. Bode is breaking the contract, he should have thought about the chance of coming back before signing it. Knowing him, he probably did but didn't think that he would return as soon or as the same way he did before. Maybe he was expecting to get a comeback in a different part of ski racing. But when push comes to shove, he will break the contract if he starts the circuit on Bomber.

 

Right now, he isn't breaching anything by skiing on Bomber in Chile and whatnot.

 

Personally, I think this hub-bub will not really tarnish the HEAD image. The only people that have heard about this are the Bode die-hards. Outside America, this isn't much news. Most Japanese I spoke to said "Yup, he's a wildcard like that. I can't wait to see Mikaela Shiffrin, though!" Just a single blip in terms of what other racers are garnering for attention.

 

Hopefully it all gets resolved quickly.

post #365 of 399

I wonder if this is really about Bode trying to ramp up his compensation from Head? I mean he is getting to the end of his career and maybe realizing the money is going to stop. Plus he may not have been terribly wise in his investments. I thought I read he had invested in a race horse and then there was the yacht.! 

 

What's a 30 year old comeback worth to a ski company? In the back of everyone's mind is probably the fear that Bode's comeback is going to result in a Bill Johnson thing. How good would that be for the Head brand?

 

He's a great skier and I hope this all comes out well for him. I would like to see him race again. In the back of the mind though, the word hubris keeps recurring.

post #366 of 399

My guess is that HEAD's position has lot less to do about Bode specifically and more with them not wanting a precedent set. As was mentioned earlier US courts are already some what reluctant in enforcing non-competes, if HEAD simply lets someone walk away they may as well not bother with them anymore because the precedent will be set and they would be hard pressed to ever be able to enforce one in the future. The US court system is all about precedents that's why you see corporation fight so hard on cases that often seem irrelevant.

post #367 of 399

No Bode at Solden 2016, maybe he will only race in DH and SG if at all.

post #368 of 399

Well the DH is all he's really missing.

post #369 of 399

   I think its pretty cool that he's using Full Tilt boots.

post #370 of 399
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   I think its pretty cool that he's using Full Tilt boots.

Question is what he'll be using them for?
post #371 of 399
DH
post #372 of 399
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Question is what he'll be using them for?


flower pots...or fill them with candy and put them on the front porch for halloween...

 

you guys cannot actually believe that full tilt boots could be competitive in this day and age? there was a time and a place when skis were long and straight that the flexon design had some value in alpne ski racing. it was also a different company that had european roots that had interest in alpine ski racing and a design team and race department that worked tirelessly to build product that could be performant on the world cup. even with that effort, the product was only really suited for speed. the exception being a few swiss women in sl and gs, and at the north american pro ranks. the current out of the box full tilts do work very well for mogul skiing as the the action is more fore aft absorbsion vs high edge angle carving. and the sidecut of a modern mogul ski is strongly related to short sl skis from the 90's, narrow and straight.

 

golfers tell a joke that even god cannot hit a one iron, well to sum up the feedback  from portillo with full tilt, even bode cannot make those boots work. he was like bambi on ice with the franken/full tilt boots. bode has heads that he last podiumed on (cant use them cause they are heads) he has old nordicas that work ( cannot make them FIS legal) and he tried new langes ( that were too aggressive for him)

 

stay tuned, cause if bode is going to race, he will need to have some ski boots to connect his body to his skis...

 

jim

post #373 of 399

^ & Aerials... :rolleyes

post #374 of 399

    

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flower pots...or fill them with candy and put them on the front porch for halloween...

 

you guys cannot actually believe that full tilt boots could be competitive in this day and age? there was a time and a place when skis were long and straight that the flexon design had some value in alpne ski racing. it was also a different company that had european roots that had interest in alpine ski racing and a design team and race department that worked tirelessly to build product that could be performant on the world cup. even with that effort, the product was only really suited for speed. the exception being a few swiss women in sl and gs, and at the north american pro ranks. the current out of the box full tilts do work very well for mogul skiing as the the action is more fore aft absorbsion vs high edge angle carving. and the sidecut of a modern mogul ski is strongly related to short sl skis from the 90's, narrow and straight.

 

golfers tell a joke that even god cannot hit a one iron, well to sum up the feedback  from portillo with full tilt, even bode cannot make those boots work. he was like bambi on ice with the franken/full tilt boots. bode has heads that he last podiumed on (cant use them cause they are heads) he has old nordicas that work ( cannot make them FIS legal) and he tried new langes ( that were too aggressive for him)

 

stay tuned, cause if bode is going to race, he will need to have some ski boots to connect his body to his skis...

 

jim
                      

       Would you be one of the guys that made jokes when Bode used the K2 Fours years ago?

post #375 of 399

I imagine the Flexons could be made competitive for racing at the world Cup level. The key ingredient would be utilizing cuff material and cuff design to obtain greater fore and aft stiffness. The design might even lend itself to a greater degree of fine tuning of that feature. The greatest problem I experienced with them back in the day was not nearly non existent resistance to forward flex but the almost total lack of feedback from the cuff. Absent this feedback and it was difficult to gauge your fore and aft movement. It didn't help that the inner boot tongue was made of some material that resembled cardboard. I moved from them to a pair of Lange plug boots and it was like night and day.

post #376 of 399
I don't spend much time on Epic these days. I check things out and post once a month or so.

Before you react to posts that you read on a thread like this, my suggestion is to consider who the poster is, and what their knowledge base, experience and insight likely is. You can look at previous posts in a profile, feedback, etc. On this thread you have a few people who have a ton to offer. Primoz is one. And Start Haus is another.

With respect to race boots, JS {Start Haus} has decades of first hand, WC experience. Beyond that he no doubt has friends who are very much in the game today. It's a small world. I bet he is the only guy on Epic who fits boots for a current WC winner. He also was in the game back when the Flexon was a new boot.

His comments are spot on. There in ONE man to win on the WC in the boot, and it was 33 seasons ago, on courses that were built for gliding. Including the most gentle DH ever. BTW, he was also helped by what turned out to be the fastest skis on tour, by far and away.

Jim's points about the changes to the sport are on point. We have different surfaces {there was no injection}, different skis, and to the degree possible even more challenging sets and terrain. The skis are the huge difference. They demand the right boots.

Basically, using a Flexon starts to break down with the hollow sole, even before you get to the actual boot. Some of the Full Tilts that Bode had in Portillo were a real "Frankenboot", with the soles retrofitted with a solid block. He also had other boots with him, as JS notes. Only one pic made the press, though.

JS has no doubt had a conversation, or more with people who were down there at the time. This whole "thing" is perplexing. Some use the term "joke."

What a number of us have learned, second or third hand, is that the Full Tilt experiment failed. He could glide in the boots, in a straight line. Higher on the hill, he just could not get anything out of the boot while trying to turn, at maybe 75% speed and effort. For the purpose of skiing speed at that level, they don't work. For the reasons JS explains they can't work.

Could they be entirely re-engineered? Who knows? Why? At what cost, what timeline? Maybe the whole deal was the guys at Bomber thinking about buying Full Tilt. I think that JS's point is that there are a lot of other options that could be made workable, quickly. Not necessarily easily, but doable.

IF, big IF, Bode were serious about this, we'd see a very different program. There are politics and business hurdles to clear, but there are other boots. Of course he would have been on this months ago if he were truly serious about being competitive. I hear that the choice would probably be a Dobermann. But as JS notes, it would not the same set up as the boot he used 13 or so years ago. BTW, that was when Bode was a tech skier. That was his favorite boot, and he has driven more than a few people nuts trying to replicate "that feel." Forgetting Bode's change in body mass, etc. It was pareticularly tedious when he was still skiing four events, and his SL skills were slipping a bit. Remember the stories of Robi Kristan working to press HUNDREDS of SL skis to try to get that feel back?

We have not touched on the skis. My hunch is that in JS's circle of friends, and Primoz's, there are one or two who have seen and worked on the limited number of Bomber skis. Bomber surely has no real race department. At least one of his former servicemen was trying to set up a few pairs, I'm told. And let's say that the general impression is that there is a big difference between these, and the group of skis that he had at Head. At one point, his Heads were the fastest on the planet. That alignment may have changed a bit with Svindal. Still, he had rockets.

The amount of effort, resources and bodies that went into Head developing, building and testing his boots and skis was staggering. JS mentions his type of effort with respect to Raichle with the Flexon. Nothing like it is today. It's a full on arms race. And Bomber is described as an artisan "factory." Just not the game thing.

Bode has always been very particular about his setup. Legendary. He had distinct preferences in terms of his boots. The Full Tilt is 180 degrees in the other way from what he has used. Puzzling.

At this point in time, Bode and his wife are getting ready for a new baby to arrive. They have just moved into a new to them home. Then, he is under the non/compete with Head. That basically blocks him. And...has he been on snow other than the brief time in Chile, which was hardly training? What is really going on?

People in the game don't see a real possibility of a comeback. They see no chance of his being close to competitive, even if the USST were to waste a start or two on him. One friend of mine, a recent USST coach, made the comment that Bode finishing 5 seconds out, finishing in the 40's or higher is not going to sell skis. And it will be brutal to watch. There is actually the question of whether race results sell skis at all these days.

Full Tilts are not happening. The Bomber skis are not some miracle ski, either. And when Bode killed in on the K2 Fours at JO's, it was just a real different time. For one thing, FIS ski regulations were close to non existent. Bode was already a K2 athlete, saw the four and got a pair of blems to try, then got a couple of clean pairs, and history was made. 198cm. I was pretty close to it. Fun to see.

It was also a perfect storm as Bode had made huge gains in his skiing that season. The eye opener was when Bode later finished third in the SL at US Nationals, which put him on the USST. Being on the podium at Nauonals used to be criteria. Have another friend who missed it by ,04 seconds {They changed the criteria the next year.}

The skis and the innovation get a lot of press, and they should. Remember the pilot, as well. Bode was skiing much differently, K2 or not.

Great part of ski racing history. Back to current times. No Full Tilt. Likely no comeback, therefore no Bomber on the alpine WC. Bode has a lot going on. And he's got a lot of miles on his body. The whole thing doesn't add up.

JS is spot on. Sorry if some can't see the reality of this, and it's various pieces.

Over and out.....
Edited by Muleski - 10/26/16 at 9:18am
post #377 of 399
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Originally Posted by Muleski View Post

I don't spend much time on Epic these days. I check things out and post once a month or so.

Before you react to posts that you read on a thread like this, my suggestion is to consider who the poster is, and what their knowledge base, experience and insight likely is. You can look at previous posts in a profile, feedback, etc. On this thread you have a few people who have a ton to offer. Primoz is one. And Start Haus is another.

With respect to race boots, JS {Start Haus} has decades of first hand, WC experience. Beyond that he no doubt has friends who are very much in the game today. It's a small world. I bet he is the only guy on Epic who fits boots for a current WC winner. He also was in the game back when the Flexon was a new boot.

His comments are spot on. There in ONE man to win on the WC in the boot, and it was 33 seasons ago, on courses that were built for gliding. Including the most gentle DH ever. BTW, he was also helped by what turned out to be the fastest skis on tour, by far and away.


Great info and post.
Thanks

Jim's points about the changes to the sport are on point. We have different surfaces {there was no injection}, different skis, and to the degree possible even more challenging sets and terrain. The skis are the huge difference. They demand the right boots.

Basically, using a Flexon starts to break down with the hollow sole, even before you get to the actual boot. Some of the Full Tilts that Bode had in Portillo were a real "Frankenboot", with the soles retrofitted with a solid block. He also had other boots with him, as JS notes. Only one pic made the press, though.

JS has no doubt had a conversation, or more with people who were down there at the time. This whole "thing" is perplexing. Some use the term "joke."

What a number of us have learned, second or third hand, is that the Full Tilt experiment failed. He could glide in the boots, in a straight line. Higher on the hill, he just could not get anything out of the boot while trying to turn, at maybe 75% speed and effort. For the purpose of skiing speed at that level, they don't work. For the reasons JS explains they can't work.

Could they be entirely re-engineered? Who knows? Why? At what cost, what timeline? Maybe the whole deal was the guys at Bomber thinking about buying Full Tilt. I think that JS's point is that there are a lot of other options that could be made workable, quickly. Not necessarily easily, but doable.

IF, big IF, Bode were serious about this, we'd see a very different program. There are politics and business hurdles to clear, but there are other boots. Of course he would have been on this months ago if he were truly serious about being competitive. I hear that the choice would probably be a Dobermann. But as JS notes, it would not the same set up as the boot he used 13 or so years ago. BTW, that was when Bode was a tech skier. That was his favorite boot, and he has driven more than a few people nuts trying to replicate "that feel." Forgetting Bode's change in body mass, etc. It was pareticularly tedious when he was still skiing four events, and his SL skills were slipping a bit. Remember the stories of Robi Kristan working to press HUNDREDS of SL skis to try to get that feel back?

We have not touched on the skis. My hunch is that in JS's circle of friends, and Primoz's, there are one or two who have seen and worked on the limited number of Bomber skis. Bomber surely has no real race department. At least one of his former servicemen was trying to set up a few pairs, I'm told. And let's say that the general impression is that there is a big difference between these, and the group of skis that he had at Head. At one point, his Heads were the fastest on the planet. That alignment may have changed a bit with Svindal. Still, he had rockets.

The amount of effort, resources and bodies that went into Head developing, building and testing his boots and skis was staggering. JS mentions his type of effort with respect to Raichle with the Flexon. Nothing like it is today. It's a full on arms race. And Bomber is described as an artisan "factory." Just not the game thing.

Bode has always been very particular about his setup. Legendary. He had distinct preferences in terms of his boots. The Full Tilt is 180 degrees in the other way from what he has used. Puzzling.

At this point in time, Bode and his wife are getting ready for a new baby to arrive. They have just moved into a new to them home. Then, he is under the non/compete with Head. That basically blocks him. And...has he been on snow other than the brief time in Chile, which was hardly training? What is really going on?

People in the game don't see a real possibility of a comeback. They see no chance of his being close to competitive, even if the USST were to waste a start or two on him. One friend of mine, a recent USST coach, made the comment that Bode finishing 5 seconds out, finishing in the 40's or higher is not going to sell skis. And it will be brutal to watch. There is actually the question of whether race results sell skis at all these days.

Full Tilts are not happening. The Bomber skis are not some miracle ski, either. And when Bode killed in on the K2 Fours at JO's, it was just a real different time. For one thing, FIS ski regulations were close to non existent. Bode was already a K2 athlete, saw the four and got a pair of blems to try, then got a couple of clean pairs, and history was made. 198cm. I was pretty close to it. Fun to see.

It was also a perfect storm as Bode had made huge gains in his skiing that season. The eye opener was when Bode later finished third in the SL at US Nationals, which put him on the USST. Being on the podium at Nauonals used to be criteria. Have another friend who missed it by ,04 seconds {They changed the criteria the next year.}

The skis and the innovation get a lot of press, and they should. Remember the pilot, as well. Bode was skiing much differently, K2 or not.

Great part of ski racing history. Back to current times. No Full Tilt. Likely no comeback, therefore no Bomber on the alpine WC. Bode has a lot going on. And he's got a lot of miles on his body. The whole thing doesn't add up.

JS is spot on. Sorry if some can't see the reality of this, and it's various pieces.

Over and out.....
post #378 of 399
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Originally Posted by JPL View Post
 

    

       Would you be one of the guys that made jokes when Bode used the K2 Fours years ago?


No offense intended, so don't take this personal...There is a funny phenomena that surrounds fans of Flexon/Full Tilt boots. They have a very emotional reaction when anyone says mean things about their beloved kicks. Now for skiers without skills, its no big deal, I get it, you cannot tell the difference, all is forgiven. And for those with mad skills it doesn't matter cause you have not been skiing on those pieces of crap since skis, surfaces, and sets got real. Sorry for insulting you and hurting your feelings, however those boots are underhorsepowered to transfer energy on modern race skis, on modern tracks, with modern sets. Do I need to explain what modern means? One of the greatest skiers of the modern era just attempted to improve on the known deficiencies of the product and was unable to buy a turn on them. Case frickin closed. Or not if you remain optimistic that the Donald can make Raichles great again... :)

 

Oh, and in the spring of 96 when Bode brokeout on K2 Fours at the Jr Nationals and then National Championships, he was sponsored by Salomon bindings which at the time I was the Racing and Promotions Manager for. Since we were salivating to get Bode to come and test with us for skis and boots, what possible benefit would there have been to starting a smear campaign that might compromise or jeopardize our possibilities of getting Bode to test product with us that spring? So in fact Bodes relationship with Salomon North America was the best reason to be his and K2's biggest fan for success. Now the logic in Europe was a little different, I can guarantee that all of the Euro ski suppliers were convinced that the K2 Four was a joke. For no other reason than they did not design it. That proved out in the slow timeline it took for some of the big ski producers to react to the effect that the K2 shaped skis would have on the market....

 

Cheers,

 

jim

post #379 of 399

For the record I thought the Raichle Flexons I owned back before "modern" times began were absolute crap right down to the liners that were the shoddiest things I've ever seen. I was teaching skiing full time then and even accepting the limitations of the boot what little they had that was positive broke down so quickly that I had to get a new pair of boots (Langes) early mid season. They just went on the junk pile even though I'd only had them a short while, total junk. Nonetheless I can imagine the Flexon concept might have potential for modern boot design. Fore and aft flexion is pretty much controlled by the cuff/tongue and that could be engineered in a number of ways. The thing can be a different material than the boot itself which I would think offers a number of potential advantages. The front cuff could be made out of some high tech material, custom designed to give it the stiffness and/ flex you need, vary the location and distribution of flex. No doubt there are other problems with the boot. Fore and aft flexion likely just isn't the issue it was before the advent of modern skis and race technique anyway. I can't comment on the current Full Tilt model or whether they have the resources to put a ton of development into the boot. It seems unlikely in any case that would happen in the time frame for this season.

 

Talk of Bode's "Franken boot with a solid sole reminds me that 25 years ago I had a pair of Dolomite Sintesis that had a solid piece of wood molded into the sole, worked fine until the wood warped.

post #380 of 399

Lots of big smack talk from the start haus, what a surprise. Are Full Tilts the best , never said that, are they crap, not hardly. Is JS the smartest , must be he implies it all the time.

post #381 of 399

The passion Flexon/Full Tilt skiers have for their boots reminds me an awful lot of the passion that SX91 Salomon skiers had for their boots.....  

 

Just sayin'...:) 

 

JRo

post #382 of 399

JPL maybe you should look the other way... if Full tilts would be that great, I'm sure people in WC would be skiing them ;) In World cup it's about 0.01sec and they do everything to get that 0.01sec. Just last weekend in Soelden I heard some stuff about certain poles which bend a little bit too much when you push out of start gate, and company is trying to make new poles on the fly. And with 1 or 2 pushes out of start you can imagine how small deal this is, yet they are putting everything in to get this solved. So if Full tilt boots would be that good, they would bring as little as 0.01sec on 3km track, believe me, everyone would be running them, even if they would be painted into Head, Rossi, Fischer, Lange or Nordica colors.

post #383 of 399
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Lots of big smack talk from the start haus, what a surprise. Are Full Tilts the best , never said that, are they crap, not hardly. Is JS the smartest , must be he implies it all the time.


This is the kind of post that causes the knowledgeable skiers to leave Epic. There is no information in this post, just a bash to satisfy someone's ego. This should not be allowed and there is not place for it.  I personally joined Epic because of the great base of information from great skiers, teachers and people in the know on a World Cup level. Where else could a person like me sitting in Columbus Ohio, so far removed from World Cup, (unless they decide to run a GS on our 300 ft hill) find the expert information provided here. Thank you Jim, Muleski, Primoz and others who make this forum informative and exiting. Hopefully all of you understand we appreciate all your help.

 

PS; 20 year Raichle Flexon user because in the day, the gray and red model was the only one that would fit a skinny B with, A heel foot like mine. Nothing like it for high speed GS cruising at the time. Now, I will keep my Lange's thank you!

post #384 of 399
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Originally Posted by JRO92009 View Post
 

The passion Flexon/Full Tilt skiers have for their boots reminds me an awful lot of the passion that SX91 Salomon skiers had for their boots.....  

 

Just sayin'...:) 

 

JRo


Exactly and about the same performance!

post #385 of 399

Mod Note:

 

Gentlemen (since there seem to be no ladies present), please refrain from scornful putdowns or pointed psychoanalysis. You may be right, but scorn only provokes resentment; it doesn't make your point (except among those who agree).

 

I'm speaking to both sides of this dialectic when making this request: Seek to persuade, not to conquer.

 

Thank you.

post #386 of 399

   Will do.

 Not singing the praises of any one boot, I found it interesting that an early design boot had resurfaced at a top level, just like I found it interesting when the Nordica Grand Prix made its return. Before I made my first post" Cool that Bode's using the Full Tilts" I called the shop that set them up for him to get some background info. I was told the thought[Bode's] was that the boots are good for gliding and jumping, qualities he was interested in for a specific venue he had his eye on.

post #387 of 399
Part of the issue is that by the time you made the world first post, a lot of the community knew the Full Tilt experiment was over, and that even if this "comeback" gets off the ground, it will not be in that boot. I suspect more was at play than the comeback. Guess you knew to call PJD. In my two decades of knowing him, I find him to keep a lot of things fairly quiet. If this were not dead, he may have not said much. It was under pretty tight wraps.
Guess the fact that this is going nowhere explains why Joe Cutts' article came out this week in SKI. To anybody near the USST, etc. this whole thing is sort of stale. Reps, techs, athletes, coaches have all been wondering about it for a while. And I have heard a lot of chuckles. But, then again, it's Bode.

Nothing to get anybody torqued off in that article. Fun stuff.

JS is dialed into this one, IMO.

It is fun to see Bode screwing around with a reworked 35 year old boot design. Agree on that. Grand Prix. Legend. Never thought it went away, until the Dobermann hit the WC around 1998? A lot of guys had been in the same GP out of the same mold for a long, long time. Not to be confused with the wine colored production boot.

Word now is that IF this happens, he will likely be in a Dobermann. I think that's how PJD got involved in this.

All interesting. Bode seems to have a lot going on. Being a part time 39 year old WC speed skier, on his own terms is just maybe not sitting well with a few people.

All good! All fun to see and watch. This guy GS been fun for at least the last 25 years!
post #388 of 399

Please forgive my doofus ignorance and purely amateur interest.   And please forgive my interjecting the purely personal interest many may have with Bode's boot (and ski) experiments.   (What is that dang Bode up to, anyhow? Is it something I can learn from?)

 

Thanks for all the great insight and info from real experience, and knowledge.   The thread would be great for this by itself.   

(And I'd sure like to know what works - or what might work - with what he's up to.) 

 

 

Seemingly, right now, Bode on Full Tilt is just....very fun - even if wildly impractical in terms of race success for him.  (Still, verrry interresting.)   

 

This is a great thread, to me, partly because, in this improbable news about Bode experiments, there is seemingly, for me at least, an interface of  two or three realms of skiing, all of which I've admired, and emulated in modest ways.   (So this Bode development may be something new, even if maybe not.  What a great experiment, potentially.  Or at least something we can learn from?)

 

The Full Tilt Family of boots (Raichle, [something else], San Marcos, Dalbello, and the current Full Tilt), are still, like it or not, consistently chosen by mogul skiers (as explained in posts above); by pro big mountain and trick skiers (freeride and freestyle); and by pro and working powder skiers.  Seth Morrison (Full Tilt until recently), Sean Pettit (Dalbello), and others, have found something about that family of boots great for what they do (besides race gliding and race jumping).   Back in the late eighties and early to mid nineties, that was the case for me too (on San Marcos).  

 

And aren't these Raichle Family boots just really comfortable, when you get right down to it??!!!!!  Ergonomic???!!

 (I definitely plead ignorance here. :))

 

I've admired these freeride guys, in addition to the racers, and learned from them modestly in my own skiing.  So, like many of us, I use both race skis and boots, and fatter freeride and freestyle skis (and boots? Dunno, currently), including really fat skis.   For me, at least, these add a lot to skiing that narrower, race-designed skis don't offer in the same ways.   Different feel, different possibilities.  (And maybe I could add a Dalbello-type boot to my arsenal?  Or maybe a hybrid of the two boot types, racing and Full Tilt/Dalbello?  (I think Dalbello already makes such a boot, or at least a hybrid boot.)   

 

These Bode Full Tilt experiments may not impact my own boot experiments - but they may.  For me with boots most recently. I've pretty much stuck with Lange RS 130/140s (on piste and off) and RX 130s (freeride and powder), and haven't returned to the Raichle family since the early to mid nineties(?); even though back in the late eighties(?) San Marcos saved my skiing life.  (I'd been on huge, high, race orange Langes; and the things really sucked, for me, everywhere else but going high speed through gates.)*  

 

 

Maybe such experiments are for Bode some kind of non-linear way of transitioning to or from racing to something that is for him uncharted, maybe a more creative approach to racing and/or skiing (that may or may not succeed in FIS terms), or even pretty quickly a step back from serious or competitive racing in all its regimentation and demands, to racing/skiing that retains some of the same adventure.  Maybe the guy's just going to have fun on Blossoms!  

 

(And wondered if Full Tilt in some form might add to the evolution.)

 

 

 

 

(*Note: I eventually realized that, say, the next to top, commercially available Technica boot of the time (not in the Full Tilt family, of course) would have worked too, maybe just as well as the San Marcos. I tried those Technicas after briefly skiing with Tamara McKinney and then wanting boots as much like hers as I could find. :))


Edited by ski otter - 10/27/16 at 4:56pm
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I may have spoken too soon! Reports from Waterbury, VT that the next version of the Full Tilt conversion is being worked on for Bode to try soon. Have no reason to doubt this.
To what end still baffles me, and plenty of others. Just very confusing!
But, yes, seems like I jumped the gun on proclaiming this DOA. My hunch is that Bode might ski the boot for some reason{s}, but I still can't imagine this whole setup pushing out of a WC start.

We'll see. Awaiting the next photo opp!
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      Thanks for the update. One other example of a product that wasn't given much credit at the time are the aero bars Boone Lennon developed and Greg Lemond used to win the Tour De France, till Greg put the Yellow Jersey on in Paris

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