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Salomon Falcon Boot

post #1 of 29
Thread Starter 
I am in search of new boots. I am really interested in the new Falcon boot line-up from Salomon. I currently have a pair of Head M103R ti boots that I find a little soft. But before I pull the trigger and buy a pair, I would like to find out the forefoot width dimensions for the Falcon 10, race and S-Lab. I have a medium width forefoot and a narrow heel. How much stiffer is the s-lab compaired to the race.

Has anyone skied these boots? If so, what are pros/cons of the boot.
post #2 of 29
NARROW. I ski a Lange 130 LF, and I found the S-Lab and the Falcon 10 to be painfully slim. I've not had a chance to try on the Race or the Falcon 9. If the boot fit me correctly though, I'd be all over it in a heartbeat. Super thin liner without anything poking, hair trigger response, and a beautifully smooth flex pattern.
post #3 of 29
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Takecontrol618 View Post
NARROW. I ski a Lange 130 LF, and I found the S-Lab and the Falcon 10 to be painfully slim. I've not had a chance to try on the Race or the Falcon 9. If the boot fit me correctly though, I'd be all over it in a heartbeat. Super thin liner without anything poking, hair trigger response, and a beautifully smooth flex pattern.
How was the fit over the instep? I forgot to mention that I have a high instep.
post #4 of 29
I have a pair of 05-06 X-Wave 10 Frees and I am very happy with them. They are stiff, but just right for me (6'2", 200lb). I, also, have a wide forefoot and a narrow heel and they fit very well. I don't think they've packed out too much, but I did buy them fairly tight. I ski glades, bumps, bowls and a few groomers.

Good post--I was curious about the Falcon. I was just skimming the reviews (if you can call a five sentence blurb by pro skier a for an adverstising driven magazine reviews...) and was curious about the Falcon. From what I could tell from the "review" and what mchase83 said, I don't think its an all day, free ride boot.

OKD
post #5 of 29
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Originally Posted by mchase83 View Post
How was the fit over the instep? I forgot to mention that I have a high instep.
The instep wasn't as low as Tecnicas, but judging from your inital discription of your foot as medium width, its going to be a tight fit. The heel pcket is super snug though, so if you've got a narrow heel that has caused you problems in the past, it may be worth it to buy the boot and have it ground to fit.
post #6 of 29
I skied the Falcon Race for a week over the summer and liked them a lot. I have been skiing X2's for 5 years and am strongly considering switching to the falcons this season. (FYI the Falcon X2 isn't much different from last year's X2 it is just missing the honeycomb holes) Fit-wise the Falcon Race should work for you. It is low-medium volume with more room than the X2 and the Course line it replaces but has less volume than the X-Wave line. The instep isn't generous but isn't all that low IMO. I like the liner a lot. As for stiffness it was a tad softer than the soft X2 but not too much. I'm 6' and around 190# and was skiing in the summer and thought the flex was fine. Lateral power was great and they had a really good snow-feel. I skied them with a carver ski for a few days and a full-on 192 27m GS ski for a few days and found they handled both well. I did low speed demos for my group and full intensity race runs and was happy with them at both extremes. I hope that helps.
Have fun.
post #7 of 29
Jackson Hogen in his review like the Falcon so much he retired his Nordica Hot Rods. If the shoe fits____.
post #8 of 29
I tried it in the shop and I found it to be a very nice boot, altough it didn't fit me all that well. Instep didn't feel secure enough for me, but it was tight and comfy. Heel pocket felt fine and I have some of the tiniest ankles you'll ever find this side of a woman.
post #9 of 29
Thread Starter 
I was searching the net, on tramdock.com I found the instep and forefoot width for the Falcon race:
FOREFOOT WIDTH: 98 mm
INSTEP: 87 mm

I have yet to find the width of the Falcon X2 lab boot, but I would suspect that it would be less than the race.
post #10 of 29
Thread Starter 
I just sold my Head M103 ti boots this weekend at my local mountains ski swap. Now I can go ahead and order my new boots, a pair of Salomon Falcon Race. The question that I have still to answer is: do I buy the boots from the local shop that doesn't do bootfitting and would have to order them in or do I buy them form a bootfitting specialist?

BTW: I am getting the boots for cost at my local shop.
post #11 of 29
but local/cost, and pay for fitting as needed.

thats assumming that you order the right size...
post #12 of 29
Thread Starter 
I have one more question: I need to decide which boots to get, the falcon race or the falcon 10. The race has a stiffness rating of 120 and the 10 is 110. The local shop owner and the Salomon rep. have recommended the 10 but I was leaning towards the race. I weigh 190 lbs, ski very aggresively. Which boots based on my information should I order. I was thinking of buying both pairs and selling the ones I didn't like, since the shop would have to special order them for me (would anyone be interested in a pair of either falcon race or falcon 10 in a size 28?).
post #13 of 29
Get the 10s. The Falcon is a boot that is designed to be soft longitudinally while being very stiff and responsive laterally. I'm coming off of Lange WC130s and my 10s have more than enough backbone for hard-charging skiing.
post #14 of 29
Just tried some Falcon 10's in a shop; ski on X-Wave 10's. Very different boots IMO. Falcon's have much thinner liner, feel quicker side to side, but softer, more progressive forward flexing (even though the numbers are the same as the X-Wave). Definitely less plush, and definitely narrower all the way, like Langes with room for human toes. Impressive, but will require some mods for many buyers.
post #15 of 29
I had a pair of these last year, through pro form. I was so excited to do lift served hiking in them, cus they are the lightest alpine boots I've ever felt, but still felt like they could tear it up.

In some ways, they just felt so nice. The liner was really thin, but it felt like the boot gave more cushion than I was used to, by flexing differently in different areas.

I sold em pretty quick though, cus they just felt strange. That, and I think they run a little big. I got the same size as my x waves, and they were just a touch too big.



Supposedly theres another version coming out this year, pretty much the same thing, I think maybe a bit stiffer, but they have a rubber pad underneath the liner, instead of the plastic things most boots do. Supposedly this is to absorb impacts landing things.


I'm jealous of whoever has feet that these boots fit, some awesome ideas in boot design for sure.
post #16 of 29
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Originally Posted by mchase83 View Post
I have one more question: I need to decide which boots to get, the falcon race or the falcon 10. The race has a stiffness rating of 120 and the 10 is 110. The local shop owner and the Salomon rep. have recommended the 10 but I was leaning towards the race. I weigh 190 lbs, ski very aggresively. Which boots based on my information should I order. I was thinking of buying both pairs and selling the ones I didn't like, since the shop would have to special order them for me (would anyone be interested in a pair of either falcon race or falcon 10 in a size 28?).
I tried them both on side-by-side and the difference actually felt quite marginal. The 10 seemed to take a bit of the edge off the flex, but I'm not sure how different the boots would feel on snow. The only thing I did notice is that the 10's softer plastic conformed better to my forefoot, almost Spaceframe-like, whereas the Race felt stiffer down there.

In any case, I highly doubt you would have a hard time selling the ones you don't like. Falcons seem to be the silver bullet of high-performance boots these days. They are low-volume yet anatomical, and have the best fit right out of the box for most people, in comparison with other boots of that caliber.
post #17 of 29
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Originally Posted by MAGGOT View Post
Supposedly theres another version coming out this year, pretty much the same thing, I think maybe a bit stiffer, but they have a rubber pad underneath the liner, instead of the plastic things most boots do. Supposedly this is to absorb impacts landing things.


I'm jealous of whoever has feet that these boots fit, some awesome ideas in boot design for sure.
The Krypton Pro comes with 2 Zeppas, a rigid one and a softer one. The idea, like you said, is for impact. I use the the softer one myself, it reduces vibration on harder snow.
post #18 of 29
Thread Starter 
I got the shop to order me the falcon 10. I should get them later this week or early next week. I will try them on and decide if I should order the race. But since the falcon 10 has a transparent shell, grinding and punching would result in a visible change from the outside. Maggot, wouldn't the boot that you are refering to be the Gun boot, which is the falcon boot that has the shock absorber and a flex of 95?
post #19 of 29
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Originally Posted by mchase83 View Post
I got the shop to order me the falcon 10. I should get them later this week or early next week. I will try them on and decide if I should order the race. But since the falcon 10 has a transparent shell, grinding and punching would result in a visible change from the outside. Maggot, wouldn't the boot that you are refering to be the Gun boot, which is the falcon boot that has the shock absorber and a flex of 95?
I believe thats what it is called. Gun or Falcon Gun Lab or some combination of those fancy sounding salomon terminologies.

I heard about it last year, before came out. The normal falcons were on the salomon hookup website, but they didn't have the gun ones, I just heard a rumor somewhere, so I'm not sure of the exact name, but it was something along those lines.

Anyone know what the other differences between the gun whatever it is and the normal falcon 10?
post #20 of 29
A note on size for the Falcon 10: I tried them on recently and found that I could go down one size from my previous boot. My old boot is a Lange GX9, low volume fit, about 8 years old. In that boot I use size U.S. 10; my street shoe size is 11 B. With the Falcon 10 I had a snug fit in size 27, which is the equivalent of U.S. 9. I tried on the Falcon boots with my old orthodics, which take up considerably more room than the stock insoles.

Other comments on this site seem to confirm that the Falcon 10 can be fit two sizes smaller than one's normal street shoe size. I ordered the Falcon 10 in size 27 and will report after a month of use.
post #21 of 29
My factory brochure here in japan shows several different falcon models. The gun is a 95 and has the absorbing sole; the 10 is a 110 (except shells 24/25= 100); the race is 120. (there are others without the custum race fit liner, which has a georgous leather cuff.)
I have the 10 now in a 24 shell. (my last ten years of shells were 25; amongst Lange X9, Nordica Grand Prix, Atomic 10-50; zip-fits, and nordica's custom silicone.)
The falcon 10's are transparent (mine crystal) though I wouldn't worry about any grinding showing through if you're concerned.
I'm so in love with the fit, I'm refraining from pre-season break-in wear in my house. I'm saving them, like a delicacy. The nicests factory boot and liner I have ever seen. The liner is thin, but also really dense.
Will report back when I actually ski it--- though can't imagine not liking it. I even got new custom footbeds (old ones were 10 years old.) just to pimp it out that extra little bit.
Did I ramble enough about my heaven boot???
will use the same, three-year old race boosters.
post #22 of 29
I've recently started the process of making my size 25 Falcon 10s fit my foot, which measures a short 27. The funny thing is that even a 26 felt too large lengthwise. Its really hasn't been too difficult, though I am having problems with pain on top of my heel when I flex. So far I've dropped the bootboard, stretched the liner, ground out the big toe, and done some grinding on top of the heel. You can definitely see where grinding has been done, but I'd consider it more a badge of honor than an eyesore.

Anyone have any tips to help with the pain on top of the heel? It seems like it just won't go away, despite grinding all along the heel from about the top of the little yellow stripe up to the point where the upper and lower shells meet inside the boot.
post #23 of 29
Is your heel lifting when you flex, and sliding?
Is it a hot/high spot on the shell rubbing through the liner?
Where on your heel? Achilles? One-inch up?
post #24 of 29
It feels like a sharp point straight down on to the top of my heel, below the achilles. My heel isn't lifting at all right now, but I know that more grinding may cause it to start.
post #25 of 29
I can't imagine anything sharp on that part of the shell. Is it weird liner debris 'inside' the liner?

Got me... I'd hate to see you grind too much.

seek boot advice from Jeff on this forum, perhaps he can help more than I. Good luck...
post #26 of 29
Try a heel lift and see what it does. It's possible that you have poor plantar flexion, which causes strain on your achilles tendon. A heel lift will reduce the angle of your ankle.

Also, when you put the heel lift in, if the hot spot simply moves lower down on your heel, you know it's the shell that needs work. If the hot spot stays in the same place, you know it's something else.
post #27 of 29
The Falcon Race boot can be easily softened by removing the two screws in the back of the shell.
post #28 of 29
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Originally Posted by D(C) View Post
Try a heel lift and see what it does. It's possible that you have poor plantar flexion, which causes strain on your achilles tendon. A heel lift will reduce the angle of your ankle.

Also, when you put the heel lift in, if the hot spot simply moves lower down on your heel, you know it's the shell that needs work. If the hot spot stays in the same place, you know it's something else.
I originally had the pain before dropping the bootboard, which caused the pain to move higher on my heel. We ground a bit more out today, and I had a pair of Conformable brand custom footbeds made. The pressure seems to be pretty well gone on the right foot and very faint on the left, but I'll see how it is after skiing on them this weekend.
post #29 of 29
I skied the X2 Lab last year. I'm considering a switch to the Falcon, or possibly the Gun for this year.
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