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post #1 of 18
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could someone with nordica hot rod flex 130 contact me. they fit me like a glove, but i dont know much about the boot , and the flex number scares me although they feel much softer than my lange 120 freeride(which is a little too big) how do you determine flex in the shop? also, its 80degrees here, so not exactly slopeside conditions. and of course the price is great----but not if its the wrong boot. thank you.
post #2 of 18
I have the hot rod from last season (just hot rod, not like the two models this year) and they fit great. The cold flex is just about perfect for aggresive skiers but not uncomfortable as a race boot. The boot will stiffen up a lot from a warm store to the slopes. The flex numbers are all relative to each boot manufacturer so comparing a 120 Lange to a 130 Nordica is not that straightforward, though you can ballpark the flexes into different categories (race, free, rec...)

If your concerned about the flex you will have to try them on the hill or wait till the temps drop where the store is located .
post #3 of 18
I am 5-10/190 and the HR is plenty stiff enough for me. The elastic "booster" power strap, makes the feel a little softer, and can always be replaced with a solid strap if you need a little stiffer feel.

SJ
post #4 of 18
I have the 05/06 HR. Didn't have much of a problem, although I found that I had to cinch 'em down after a few warm-up runs to get the proper feel. They did seem a little softer during the spring, but I was warned about that in advance.

THe only complaint I have is that I've blown the second "tongue" that goes under the booster strap 3 times (the screws kept popping out and I've had them replaced by the shop, one time they even inserted what I can only describe as a rivet and bolt, which blew out during a trip to JH. I don't consider myelf a particularly aggressive skier, so i'm not sure what the problem is (the screws only blew out on one boot). they actually seem to fit better and ski better without the tongue being attached, so go figure).
post #5 of 18
When you say the screw "blew out" do you mean it came unscrewed? or did the T-nut rip out through the plastic?

If it just keeps coming unscrewed, a drop of loctite should solve the problem. If it is tearing out, that is a different issue.

SJ
post #6 of 18
t-nut came out.

got replaced with the factory screw and t-nut and locktited and blew out again.

second replacement they went with what i think they called a "Chicago lug" or "Chicago bolt" which was basically a bigger screw that was grommeted on the back. that blew out, too.

basically i wound up the season skiing with the tongue loose (i.e. i inserted it before buckling down). worked fine, it's just a hassle having a loose piece.

gonna take it back to the shop where i bought 'em before the end of the season and see if they can remedy the problem...hoping that 3rd time's a charm.

it hasn't seemed to affect the performance much, it's more the issue that i bought the boots at the beginning of the season for close to full price.
post #7 of 18
I bought my Nordica Hot Rod 130s from SierraJim and really appreciated the more progressive flex and excellent support. The flex was soft enough for powder, bumps and crud. I got no shin bang. I am not a lightweight, and I could see that a sub 175 lb skier could find these too stiff. The store flex was very soft IMO, They stiffened up in the cold, but were still progressive enough to take up shock and pressure the tips.

More than a glove for my fit, we had to do some grinding and stretching, but its been great. The liner on this boot is thin with a neoprene toe and doesn't seem prone to pack out. It felt a little cold on the coldest days, but didn't leave my feet numb. The elastic booster strap integrated on the boot is a great innovation.
post #8 of 18
im not an expert in this field, but i was getting fit for new boots a month ago and i outflexed the hot rod from last year. The numbers scare me too but im told that flex has more to do with your flexabulity than your weight and abulity. Granted were not going to put a flexable 12 year old in dobie 150's. I pick up a pair of the speedmachine 14's and im scared that theyre too stiff. But im being assured that ill be fine. When i put on the hot rod i flex right to the point that they were disforming at the ankle.

also i was told that the flex numbers between companies mean nothing. There isnt a standard so everyone guesses. A nordica 130 isnt a fischer 130 which isnt a salomon 130
post #9 of 18
I too am in the market for new Nordica's. I have the older Grand Prix which is listed as 100 to 120 flex. I have them on 120 and can out flex them in race conditions. I just picked up a Nordica brochure at a ski show. It shows the Hot Rod at 115 flex & the Speed Machine 14 at 130 & the Doberman at 150 & 130 (Doberman Pro). I am thinking seriously about the Speed Machine 14 for comfort & performance as I coach (stand a long time on the hill) & also race occasionally. Is the Speed Machine one under the Doberman & the Hot Rod under the Speed Machine series for performance? Ant reviews on the Speed Machine 14?

Thanks,
SV
post #10 of 18
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Originally Posted by duke walker View Post
could someone with nordica hot rod flex 130 contact me. they fit me like a glove, but i dont know much about the boot , and the flex number scares me although they feel much softer than my lange 120 freeride(which is a little too big) how do you determine flex in the shop? also, its 80degrees here, so not exactly slopeside conditions. and of course the price is great----but not if its the wrong boot. thank you.
Beware any Nordica boot that "fits like a glove" that isn't a Dobie- its not at all uncommon for Nordica liners to pack out an entire size.
post #11 of 18
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Originally Posted by Takecontrol618 View Post
Beware any Nordica boot that "fits like a glove" that isn't a Dobie- its not at all uncommon for Nordica liners to pack out an entire size.
Luckily the Hot Rod boot is just a Dobie 130 Pro that is softer because of the type of plastic that is used. I doubt you will see the kind of packing out that you would have found with boots like the Speedmachine and Beast boots... My brother skis int he Dobie 130 Pro and he found that there was very little pack-out. Maybe Crique or SierraJim can comment on the boot's liner, but I suspect it is the same or at least very similar to the 130 Pro.
Later
GREG
post #12 of 18
The SM 14 is a pretty biiiiig boot. There will definitely be some pack out going on there for strong sker. OTH the HR being on the Dobie last has a fairly firm, thin kiner. It will not pack out as much. I am downsized one size, and the HR still fits with minimal buckling after about 40 days.

SJ
post #13 of 18
Just a point of clarification, the Hot rod is 110 flex.
post #14 of 18

hot rod flex

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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post
Just a point of clarification, the Hot rod is 110 flex.

Nordica rates the Hot Rod Top Fuel a 115 flex and the Hot Rod Nitrious a 100 flex. For this year anyway.
post #15 of 18
Last year the Hot Rod was offered in a 130 flex. Says so right on the box, and on the sicker on the boot. The liner is thin with a foil outer reflective coating and neoprene toe. I have had short lasted boot liners that caused a lot of discomfort, but the stretch in the toe of the Hot Rod keeps your foot tightly together without causing pain. I don't know what could pack out. The liner is very low volume, and the fit to shell is very close. The only drawback is its not a very warm liner, but again that has not been a critical problem because they fit me right and my circulation is good enough to stay warm. BTW, the translucent (red clear) shell really help to visually shell fit these boots. Much easier to identify and mark hot spots for any modifications.
post #16 of 18
Nordica rates the Hot Rod Top Fuel a 115 flex and the Hot Rod Nitrious a 100 flex. For this year anyway.

That was my question. The Speed Machine 14 is rated at 130 flex & the Hot Rod at 115. Is this years Speed Machine 14 similar to a Doberman like last years Hot Rod was?? Is the Speed Machine 14 a step above the Hot Rod?

Thanks,
ScotchV
post #17 of 18
The SM 14 is not similar to a Dobie. It is a higher volume shell and is more of a liner fit boot vs. a shell fit like the HR and Dobie.

SJ
post #18 of 18
I stand corrected! thanks! I just checked my boots, they are 115. I'll shut up now.
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