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Volkl AC4?

post #1 of 43
Thread Starter 
Any more input on the 2006/2007 Volkl AC4?
post #2 of 43
Yeah, right now they are so expensive. Who's gonna have the deals on this ski?? Wait til after christmas??
post #3 of 43
This ski has been reviewed more than any other ski out there this year. Just do a google search and tons of info comes your way.
post #4 of 43
I had a nightmare that I as soon as I bought them, the "newer" version came out and made mine obsolete. The only other info I need is when can they get here. (have to custom order them here in japan) the catalogue came out here last march and had me drooling then at the specs and construction. (damn wedding planning putting skis on hold
post #5 of 43
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Cancel the wedding. We must have our priorities.
post #6 of 43
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P.S. Yes, I know about all the other reports. I'm just mining for more input.
post #7 of 43
I understand you need to dig. I do the same. I have seen the construction of other Volkls in local shops here using the same technology (ie double extended grip, the piston, yada yada.) The sidewall is twice it's normal height underfoot as the old plate is internal and that height extends all the way down to the tip. (as mentioned on their site- you probably know that) based on the shape and construction I imagine it being just as turny as the old G41 yet just as stiff and more stable than the G4s or 724s. It's my dream resort ski based on specs. Vertigo remastered.
post #8 of 43

07 Ac4

Hi Oboe:

I have the 07 ac4. I got them last March and have skiied 'em about 5 days so far. A great all round ski for sure!

My initial thought was for this to be a deep snow ski for the east.

But alas, 82mm is not what it used to be. Float is ok, but where the ski really shines is as an all round, everyday carver with more stability and versatility for cruddy, tracked up east coast conditions in addition to great edge hold.

It is a great alternative to my Atomic Metron B5 for when I don't need/want a small radius/slalom like turner. Ice is not a problem, but the B5 does do it better than the ac4. But they both rock the groomed snow with abandon.

But if you are looking for a pow ski, you must go way wider!

IMHO it is the quintessence of "mid-fat", you know, if you can only bring one ski, what do you grab? AC4, oh yeah.
post #9 of 43
I skied the 2006/07 AC4 model for 2 days in the spring as part of demo day event. They were one of the most superior hard snow skis I've ever tried and clearly stood above similar offerings from other manufacturers which I also demoed. They are more playful and responsive than the previous 2005/06 AC4, and just as stable. They maybe a little too stiff to be favourable in tight, technical terrain, or bumps for that matter, but overall, I would love to have a pair myself to be used on days when the ski hill is firm.
post #10 of 43
Can anyone compare the '07 AC4 with Head's im82?
post #11 of 43
Bs"D

Coach, with how much you frequent this site, yuo probably are familiar with Scott's excellent reviews, and are probably looking for additional opinions. But, just in case not, here is his reviews - scroll down, the im82 and AC4 are back to back:

http://forums.epicski.com/showthread...+legend+8 000

Excerpts:
About im82:
"As a carver, it skied with a tad less energy than the Top Fuel or AC4, and with more of a GS feel (not quite as energetic), but was even more stable in mid-day cut-up groomer snow, at GS race speeds."
About the AC4:
"The ski is definitely in the mold of an all-mountain carver (shorter turn radius, more energetic) vs. that of the all-mountain crudbuster (like the iM82 ...It was nimble, easy, quick, as forgiving as the iM82,...In crud and at speed on groomers, the ski was deflected a tad more than the iM82, but not by much. Energy was very high, and it felt more like a slalom/GS hybrid than the more GS-like iM82."

BTW, from my experience, he seems to descibe the skis very accurately.
post #12 of 43
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Originally Posted by oboe View Post
Any more input on the 2006/2007 Volkl AC4?
Strong BUY signal :
post #13 of 43
I tried the AC4 in Val Thorens last April. I thought they were a very good quality ski and very stable. I preferred the Dynastar Legend 8000 in a similar length though.
post #14 of 43
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Originally Posted by Latchigo View Post
I tried the AC4 in Val Thorens last April. I thought they were a very good quality ski and very stable. I preferred the Dynastar Legend 8000 in a similar length though.

Can't go wrong with either ski. The AC4, however, is just a wee bit more expensive though.
post #15 of 43
Anyone have any explainations or comparisons for 05-06 6* with the 06-07 AC4? I havent tried the new AC4. I can read the dimensions on the ski and sorta figure out how its different from the 6* but how does it "ski" differently?
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BTW sorry to jack your thread for a sec...
post #17 of 43
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Originally Posted by samurai View Post
I understand you need to dig. I do the same. I have seen the construction of other Volkls in local shops here using the same technology (ie double extended grip, the piston, yada yada.) The sidewall is twice it's normal height underfoot as the old plate is internal and that height extends all the way down to the tip. (as mentioned on their site- you probably know that) based on the shape and construction I imagine it being just as turny as the old G41 yet just as stiff and more stable than the G4s or 724s. It's my dream resort ski based on specs. Vertigo remastered.
With the exception of some early reguilar sidewall G41s, it was the same ski as the G40, G4 and 7/24 AX4
post #18 of 43
same shapes, way different flex patterns.
post #19 of 43
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Originally Posted by Gotama View Post
Hi Oboe:

I have the 07 ac4. I got them last March and have skiied 'em about 5 days so far. A great all round ski for sure!

My initial thought was for this to be a deep snow ski for the east.

But alas, 82mm is not what it used to be. Float is ok, but where the ski really shines is as an all round, everyday carver with more stability and versatility for cruddy, tracked up east coast conditions in addition to great edge hold.

It is a great alternative to my Atomic Metron B5 for when I don't need/want a small radius/slalom like turner. Ice is not a problem, but the B5 does do it better than the ac4. But they both rock the groomed snow with abandon.

But if you are looking for a pow ski, you must go way wider!

IMHO it is the quintessence of "mid-fat", you know, if you can only bring one ski, what do you grab? AC4, oh yeah.
I haven't had the pleasure of skiing the new ac4 and it appears new ski's aren't in this years budget. I bought new allstars last year and loved em in 168. My tech calls the new ac4 with ipt motion a "fat allstar"

Appears you might agree with him? What length did you buy and what are your specs?
post #20 of 43
The AC-4 is definitely stunning on hardpack for a ski that wide. One should not overlook it's capabilities in softer snow either. However, as one would expect from the stiffness, it needs to be skied with some authority in order to get it to bend (and therefore turn) in deeper snow.

It is always wise to consider the big picture and not just assume that a skis characteristics in deeper snow are solely due to the width. There are some skis with similar widths that are easier in deep snow. Note that I didn't say better, just easier.

SJ
post #21 of 43
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post
The AC-4 is definitely stunning on hardpack for a ski that wide. One should not overlook it's capabilities in softer snow either. However, as one would expect from the stiffness, it needs to be skied with some authority in order to get it to bend (and therefore turn) in deeper snow.

It is always wise to consider the big picture and not just assume that a skis characteristics in deeper snow are solely due to the width. There are some skis with similar widths that are easier in deep snow. Note that I didn't say better, just easier.

SJ
I have found the G4, which is wider and has less sidecuit to be an excellent soft and deep snow ski.
post #22 of 43
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post
The AC-4 is definitely stunning on hardpack for a ski that wide. One should not overlook it's capabilities in softer snow either. However, as one would expect from the stiffness, it needs to be skied with some authority in order to get it to bend (and therefore turn) in deeper snow.
SJ
Definately quite a stiff ski. My stats 185 cm/90kg/good recreational skier (sorry no imperial mearurements). Ski mostly Oz (Thredbo) plus trip to Japan in Feb (avg 15-20 days skiing a year).

Last year bought Volkl AC3s @ 170cm (the orange one), loved it as a mainly on-piste mid fat carver. I can get this ski to flex and when linking short turns the ski has a lot of rebound. However, I wanted a longer/wider ski for off-piste crud busting.

Bought this years AC4 @ 177cm (the red one) after demoing last year's AC4 (I probably should have looked at the Mantra). This year's AC4 is very different. This Oz season has been crap. Very little off-piste open (except on the main range BC for the AT/XC crew) so skiing mostly limited to on piste with snow-making. Spent 2 days skiing the AC4 on a mixture of hard pack, ice and mush. Found the ski super stable, smooth, edge hold great, could carve, scarve. Found them a real handfull in the bumps. They were stiff. Did I say they were stiff? I could not get load them up the way I can my AC3's. I could not make them sing.

A lot of people have commented over the past few years how the Volkl skiis had become "soft". This year's AC4 is definately not a "soft" ski. The extended double grip rails make the ski very beefy. IMO it needs quite a heavy AND agressive skier to get the most out of them.

After two days on the AC4 I demoed a pair of Stockli Stormrider XL @ 174cm, fell in love and traded the AC4s. Compared to the AC4s, the Stormriders have finesse. Whereas I found the AC4's to be a bulldozer, the Stormriders dance and they are one hell of a lot lighter (thinking about a second pair with Freerides for AT duty).
post #23 of 43
Thread Starter 
Taxman, what are the dimensions of the Stocklis? Are they wider under foot? Are the more flexible? Do they have more shape or less shape than the AC4?
post #24 of 43

ac 4

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Originally Posted by hrstrat57 View Post
I haven't had the pleasure of skiing the new ac4 and it appears new ski's aren't in this years budget. I bought new allstars last year and loved em in 168. My tech calls the new ac4 with ipt motion a "fat allstar"

Appears you might agree with him? What length did you buy and what are your specs?
Fat Allstar is a perfect call. I sized mine @170, very much for the short radius (relatively), quick turning, agile response. I'm 6', 215 lbs, 52 years old, been skiing since 2nd grade.

I think a 177 would be more forgiving and easier to ski in the deeper snow, but I don't think the ac4 is the tool for the truly deep stuff.

Your tech is right; the IPT motion really makes this a ski you can lean in on and have a blast.
post #25 of 43
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Originally Posted by oboe View Post
Taxman, what are the dimensions of the Stocklis? Are they wider under foot? Are the more flexible? Do they have more shape or less shape than the AC4?
Interesting question. I didn't stop to think how similar in dimensions the Stockli Stormrider XL is to the Volkl AC3 and how different they both are to the Volkl AC4. The Stormrider DP is closer to the AC4 in dimensions, but not as radical in the sidecut, which would account for the difference in radius (must learn to use Tom's radius calculator):

Ski: Length - Tip/Waist/Tail - Radius

AC4: 177cm - 125/82/110 - 17.8m
AC3: 177cm - 116/74/102 - 16.5m
Stormrider XL: 174cm - 116/75/102 - 18.5m
Stormrider DP: 174cm - 125/94/111 - 25.1m

There is however an incredible difference on the way the Stockli's ski as compared to the Volkl's. For a fairly light ski (wood core vertical laminate) the Stockli is fairly stiff. I found the flex to be smooth and the ski to be responsive yet at the same time had a damp feel. The Stockli feels like a GC cruiser, yet it can bang out quick short turns without any effort (due to the light weight?). By comparison, the AC4 felt big and solid (more like the 724 series skis than last year's AC series). I could make all turn shapes, but not quickly.

IMO the big difference is this year's AC4 is much stiffer than last year's version. This will appeal to heavier aggressive skiers (eg preferred the 724 Pro to the 724 EXP), but it will catch a lot of people out who found last year's Volkl skis, with their more forgiving flex, more accessible.
post #26 of 43
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Taxman View Post
Interesting question. I didn't stop to think how similar in dimensions the Stockli Stormrider XL is to the Volkl AC3 and how different they both are to the Volkl AC4. The Stormrider DP is closer to the AC4 in dimensions, but not as radical in the sidecut, which would account for the difference in radius (must learn to use Tom's radius calculator):

Ski: Length - Tip/Waist/Tail - Radius

AC4: 177cm - 125/82/110 - 17.8m
AC3: 177cm - 116/74/102 - 16.5m
Stormrider XL: 174cm - 116/75/102 - 18.5m
Stormrider DP: 174cm - 125/94/111 - 25.1m

There is however an incredible difference on the way the Stockli's ski as compared to the Volkl's. For a fairly light ski (wood core vertical laminate) the Stockli is fairly stiff. I found the flex to be smooth and the ski to be responsive yet at the same time had a damp feel. The Stockli feels like a GC cruiser, yet it can bang out quick short turns without any effort (due to the light weight?). By comparison, the AC4 felt big and solid (more like the 724 series skis than last year's AC series). I could make all turn shapes, but not quickly.

IMO the big difference is this year's AC4 is much stiffer than last year's version. This will appeal to heavier aggressive skiers (eg preferred the 724 Pro to the 724 EXP), but it will catch a lot of people out who found last year's Volkl skis, with their more forgiving flex, more accessible.
What's a GC cruiser? Is it anything like a Chrysler?
post #27 of 43
Oops GS cruiser (dyslexic fingers).
post #28 of 43
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post
The AC-4 is definitely stunning on hardpack for a ski that wide. One should not overlook it's capabilities in softer snow either. However, as one would expect from the stiffness, it needs to be skied with some authority in order to get it to bend (and therefore turn) in deeper snow.

It is always wise to consider the big picture and not just assume that a skis characteristics in deeper snow are solely due to the width. There are some skis with similar widths that are easier in deep snow. Note that I didn't say better, just easier.

SJ
SJ,

Assume Elan M666/Magfire 12 (perhaps 777?)and Legend 8000 and of course the mentioned Stockli Stormrider might fall into that (easier) category? Any others come to mind as direct comparison....???

BTW huge agree with rul on G4, I almost pulled the trigger on a pair of 178's on ebay last night:

which would not have been good

Appears the AC4 might be a breakthru ski a wide carver perhaps even suitable for nastar? I am going to have to find a way to demo a pair both 170/177....

I am finding this thread very interesting, the ski has created a lot of buzz....

Thanks Oboe? Have you decided to pull the trigger?
post #29 of 43
[quote=hrstrat57;553064]

SJ,

Assume Elan M666/Magfire 12 (perhaps 777?)and Legend 8000 and of course the mentioned Stockli Stormrider might fall into that (easier) category? Any others come to mind as direct comparison....???

quote]

The 777 is easier in deeper snow than the AC-4 but it is quite a bit bigger too so in that comparison, part of it is the width, part is the softer beam flex and IMO, the straighter shape. Can't say about the other Elans although the Mag 12 was my favorite of the Magfire group (straighter shape)

A perfect example of what I mean is the Fischer AMC 79 or the Legend 8K. Both are slightly narrower than the AC-4 and have a much straighter shape, yet they are both a little easier in the crud. Unless you are willing to be skiing pretty fast, the more powerful skis can be a workout in the goo. Naturally, that power gives you some bennies too so it's all about where you want to place your compromises.

Another ski that I think is a good balance of power and ease is the X-Wing Fury from Salomon. I like that one a lot along with the Snoop Daddy and the Afterburner. The thing is that there is soooo much good gear, that you can find almost any level of power that you want.

Caveat re my comments: I almost never choose the burliest most agressive skis in any category for myself. I know who they are suited for, and appreciate them for that, but I have pretty realistic idea of what I can really use and what I can't.

Remember what Harry Sez......'A man's gotta know his limitations'

SJ
post #30 of 43
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Originally Posted by SierraJim;553287

A perfect example of what I mean is the Fischer AMC 79 or the Legend 8K. Both are slightly narrower than the AC-4 and have a much straighter shape, yet they are both a little [U
easier[/u] in the crud. Unless you are willing to be skiing pretty fast, the more powerful skis can be a workout in the goo. Naturally, that power gives you some bennies too so it's all about where you want to place your compromises.

Another ski that I think is a good balance of power and ease is the X-Wing Fury from Salomon. I like that one a lot along with the Snoop Daddy and the Afterburner. The thing is that there is soooo much good gear, that you can find almost any level of power that you want.

Caveat re my comments: I almost never choose the burliest most agressive skis in any category for myself. I know who they are suited for, and appreciate them for that, but I have pretty realistic idea of what I can really use and what I can't.

Remember what Harry Sez......'A man's gotta know his limitations'

SJ
I would definitely agree with SJ on the above. The AC4 tends to have too much shape for any amount of powder and the stiffness lends itself to sinking in powder. The Fischer and especially the Legend 8K are great in soft snow and light powder duty and still handle groomers great too.
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