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post #31 of 56
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Originally Posted by BigE View Post
It's a good question. The Goode 74 I tried just refused to break out of a carve. I just could not disengage the tail.
I found this too, just could not warm up to the ski

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Originally Posted by dookey67 View Post
out of curiosity, reading these posts i notice that quite a lot of you seem to be in the 5'10" - 6feet realm in height, but you're skiing short length skis (160-165). Is this due to the fact that they have a shorter turning radius and you're basically using them on piste?

my current quiver, the skis are all within the 175-180 range, albeit I don't presently have anything with a radius under 20 or so.
I am 5'10" and I had the m11 in a 172, after buying and returning the 162. My M11 B5's are 170's and I would almost be interested in getting the 176's.
post #32 of 56
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Originally Posted by BarnacleBill5 View Post
Max - maybe I missed it in a previous post but what is your weight and height and what length of B5 are you skiing. If I go with the B5s I was thinkiing the 172s. I'm 6'1" and about 220 lbs. The only other spec that I have is AtomicMan and he is 6' and 190 bs on 172s.
I'm 170lbs 5'11" or so and I ski the 162cm right now. However, I am thinking of moving to the 172 for more fore/aft stabiliy in deeper cut up snow. I think AtomicMan has the 172 but prefers his 162.
post #33 of 56
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Originally Posted by BigE View Post
Max,

How do they work for the type of turns BB5 wants to make?

You've mentioned slalom turns, but those are much larger than short turns - the zippers - down the untracked side of the trail that he wants to make?
They have a slightly upturned tail and I find they release easily for quick turns. All that said I think it would be a good idea to demo them before buying. As we've seen on Epic some skiers love em and others hate em.
post #34 of 56
Thread Starter 

In summary - I hope

It doesn't look like I will have a chance to demo either of these skis early on in the season but I want to get off my old skis ASAP so I will make the plunge sight unseen so to speak.

A summary;

I want a ski that will allow short, quick turns but be stable in long carves. One that will be good on groomers and off-piste in heavier west coast snow and crud. The right length for my size - 6'1" about 220 lbs. Remembering that I am a fairly strong advanced skier but not an expert.

I think that I could handle the B5 and it would probably teach me a lot about modern techniques coupled with some good lessons. I do have concerns that it may be much more demanding than the M11B5 and be more unforgiving of some of my old habits.

So all considered I am going to go with the M11B5s in the 176 length. (Maybe I could just never quite forget Phils definite beliefs .) When the demo gear arrives at the hill I'll try and get on a pair of B5s and see how they feel. Maybe the whole process will be a two step deal if I find that the B5's can offer me something else and next year will be the time for the B5s or else the new M11B5EX that Atomic will be bringing out for '08. You have to admit that a ski designated 5EX has a certain 'je ne sais pas' appeal : .

Thanks to everyone for the invaluable input and I will let you all know how they work out. Two months 'till opening day!!!

BB5
post #35 of 56
Other option, is if Atomic still offers the "Metron Challenge", you can buy the M11 B5 and after 3 days you don't like them upgrade to the B5. Although I think you will be happier with the M11 B5.

Or...If you can wait till after Christmas......
post #36 of 56
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Originally Posted by BarnacleBill5 View Post
Max - maybe I missed it in a previous post but what is your weight and height and what length of B5 are you skiing. If I go with the B5s I was thinkiing the 172s. I'm 6'1" and about 220 lbs. The only other spec that I have is AtomicMan and he is 6' and 190 bs on 172s.

i am 5' 8" 235 162 b5 last yr 69 days

i loved them
post #37 of 56
BB5,
I notice ur from Vancouver. My guess is that at your weight & given the type of snow conditions we typically encounter here in the PNW. I think you'll be happier on the B5's. The beefier construction will plow thru the heavy snow that we often get.

I also recommend that you go to Whistler Village Sports. They carry the B5 & M11B5's plus will let you demo both, subtracting the cost of the demos the final cost of purchase. That way, you can try the 2 skis in diff lengths and see what works best for you.

Their pricing is usually very reasonable & their service is 2nd to none. I've demoed & bought gear from them b4 in the past. They recently did a warranty replacement on my M11's with stock right off their racks so that I wouldn't have to wait for Atomic

They're located right near the base of the Whistler & Blackcomb gondolas, so you can easily make demo swaps during the day as needed.
post #38 of 56
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Originally Posted by wizard View Post
I think you'll be happier on the B5's. The beefier construction will plow thru the heavy snow that we often get.
I ski in the PNW and that's exactly why I love my B5s.
post #39 of 56
Can someone suggest what length for me? M11 B5 is what I'm thinking of getting to replace Dynastar 64 157 for more versatility. ? Good choice? 60 yrs, fit just getting to off-piste ok on Double black groomers 5'9'' 165 lbs
Thanks
post #40 of 56
I've say prolly 164. Why don't you plug your stats into the Atomic metron calculator and see what it spits out:
http://www.backcountry.com/store/siz...zing_id=149#m9
post #41 of 56
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Originally Posted by jenno View Post
Can someone suggest what length for me? M11 B5 is what I'm thinking of getting to replace Dynastar 64 157 for more versatility. ? Good choice? 60 yrs, fit just getting to off-piste ok on Double black groomers 5'9'' 165 lbs
Thanks
I would suggest the 164. Later, RicB.
post #42 of 56
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Originally Posted by mmalloy View Post
I have the 5 stars in a 175 length and I had the B5's in a 172 length. I am 6'1" and weigh 190. I found it alot easier to ski the B5's in the bumps, but they felt stiffer, had less pop and more unforgiving at the end of the day.
You should have been on a 162, the 172 is too long for you!
post #43 of 56
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Originally Posted by Max_501 View Post
I'm 170lbs 5'11" or so and I ski the 162cm right now. However, I am thinking of moving to the 172 for more fore/aft stabiliy in deeper cut up snow. I think AtomicMan has the 172 but prefers his 162.
I have both lengths and absolutely prefer the 162. I am 6'0' 188 lbs.
post #44 of 56
Thread Starter 
Well confusion still reigns!! I spoke with an Atomic rep yesterday and he strongly suggested that I should be skiing the B5 at 172. His reasoning was based on my skill set, size and the fact that I want to ski off-piste in our normally heavy west coast snow (read crud). He basically agreed with Wizard's reasoning.
post #45 of 56
B5s or else the new M11B5EX that Atomic will be bringing out for '08. You have to admit that a ski designated 5EX has a certain 'je ne sais pas' appeal :

Please tell me what you know about the new ski..
post #46 of 56
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Originally Posted by BFM View Post
B5s or else the new M11B5EX that Atomic will be bringing out for '08.
Well now you've got everyone's attention . Lemme guess, it will be the MEX with B5 construction & M11B5 sidecut?
post #47 of 56
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Originally Posted by BarnacleBill5 View Post
Well call me old fashioned if you want but I still like to see the style of skiing shown in the first graphic from SSH (wedeln).
Sorry BB5, but around here such statements might wound the sense of self worth of ski pros who's jobs are teaching the modern technique to those who ski well but have not yet ponied up for the new lessons which go with the new skis.

Goodness knows that one cannot learn to ski on new skis without instruction. :

Seriously though, my Dad had been skiing for 38 years on straight skis and went from long radius turns to short ones because he switched to skis with short radii. The technique difference is one that comes naturally as a result of the skis shape.

I don't know that either of these skis are the ticket given your description of your skiing. You might consider a ski with less sidecut. I would suggest, given what you've offered in description of your style, ability, and where you ski, that mayhaps the perfect ski might be a classic Volant Chubb (and I'm not talking about the V2s by Atomic either). They are a relatively straight ski, legendary in powder and crud, functional on groomers (especially for one well versed in wedlin') and fun in the moguls. They may be used, but they are the sweetness.
post #48 of 56
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Originally Posted by wizard View Post
Well now you've got everyone's attention . Lemme guess, it will be the MEX with B5 construction & M11B5 sidecut?
I am not sure if that is going to be it or not. I did hear that there will be some early 08's released from Atomic. Might be a new line, not sure.
post #49 of 56
I'm 6', 210 lbs and have two pairs of B5s (one pair of 2003/2004 172 cm skis for rock skiing -- they're basically worn out with over 150 days of skiing on them, and another pair of 2005/2006 172 cm skis). I bought both pairs new, and consequently have spent a lot of time skiing on B5s. As everyone knows, they have a very short turn radius and have no problem making tight linked turns. On the other hand, these are very beefy skis -- they will blast through crud and chickenheads without hesitation. B5s tell you how you will ski -- no old school style allowed because of the way they are built. Whether you like it or not, you will ski with boots apart, and you will link GS turns. You must pay attention while skiing on B5s and stay on top of them -- they are a lot of ski and demand control and strength. They set an edge on ice like a knife, love groomers, glory in crud, and do a respectable job of floating in the pow-pow. They are not very good in the bumps, but are easily the closest thing I have found to a one-ski quiver. For the pow-pow, however, I like my Dynastar Legend Pro Riders much more. Sounds to me like the M:EX might be something for you to consider, even on the basis of price alone, although you cold hardly go wrong with the B5s. I should note that I lent the rock ski pair of B5s to two intermediate skiers last season, and they both said the same thing: they had a hard time staying on top of them, could not figure out how to make them ride straight, and basically did not like them.
post #50 of 56
Thread Starter 
As stated in an earlier post I think that I have somewhat misled everyone in my skiing style. In my transition from eastern hard pack skiing to western crud and powder I found that I had to carve as skidding just didn't cut it. A number of semi-private lessons have been taken so that I could ski off-piste better and my skiing style has changed - but I do so love those short radius linked turns.

I have also earmarked this year as a watershed year for my skiing and as such want to ensure that I get as much ski as I can/need. Far from wanting to offend our valiant ski instructors : I am purchasing a seasons pass for unlimited lessons this year (any Whistler instructors on this site??). I will have no excuses. I consider myself an advanced skier although I would not classify myself as an expert. Perhaps an 8/10. In Whistler lessons I am the high end of group 5 or the low end of group 6.

My new skis must allow me the ability to carve quick, short radius linked turns. They must also be good off-piste typically in the heavy crud that we get a lot of and perform reasonably well in the powder. Good in bumps would be great but I expect that the B5s are a little stiff for this.

From all that I have heard I think the B5s will work for me. I will demo several skis in different lengths, my only concern being that I can get enough of a feel for a ski with perhaps a half day on any given ski.
post #51 of 56
Given all that, you'll be able to handle the B5 and the M11B5 just fine. The real question is the natural turn radius of the ski that you'd prefer. Smaller: B5. Larger: M11B5.
post #52 of 56
I am 6.1' 200 pounds. Bought the B5 early last year and haven't looked back. I too debated between the 162 and 172. I chose the 172 for a little longer radius turn and extra float off piste. My wife skis the 162 and also swears by them. She was warned that it would be to much ski for her but it hasn't been a problem at all. I ski Whistler every weekend and can't think of a better ski for a mountain like Whistler to charge through the sometimes heavy West Coast powder. I tried just about every ski at the demo tents last year expect for Volkl as they don't sell them. I always thought I didn't want a ski with such a tight turning radius. I tried the Metron 9 and 10 and didn't like them. But once I got on the B5 I was sold. You can make the turns as tight or long as you like.
post #53 of 56
Thread Starter 
Thanks SSH and Alpine.
The only trouble with all this analysis is that you start to chomp at the it to get our there and ski. Ah well another two months and we'll all be hard at it - I hope!!
post #54 of 56
BB5,
If it helps any, Whistler & Blackcomb have on the mountain free demos. I took advantage of it last year quite a bit & was able to sample quite a few different skis under a variety of snow conditions. They have a good variety of skis to demo. I'm sure they will offer the same again this year.

The thing that surprised me the most was how dramatically different the same model ski can feel in different lengths. Keep that in mind when narrowing down your choices.
post #55 of 56
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Originally Posted by ssh View Post
Smaller: B5. Larger: M11B5.
B5:12M M11B5:15M
post #56 of 56
Thread Starter 
Thanks Wizard. I spoke with the folks at Whister Village Sports and they'll let me demo them in different lengths too. The issue with CanSki and their demos is that they won't be available early in the season and I want the new skis asap. The Atomic sizing puts me in between the 162 and 172 but my feeling is to go with the longer length for more float and perhaps a little more stability.
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