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Stockli Rotor

post #1 of 16
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Bs"D

This is a really interesting ski, so I thought I would start a new thread and see if there is any new info that can be shared.
I will add what I have after the following 2 more available items:

1st, this is an earlier thread from Noodler, which includes one review post #28:
http://forums.epicski.com/showthread...=stockli+rotor

2nd, this is the review from Realskiers:
"Let's cut right to the chase: this ski is a serious contender for 1-Ski-Quiver ski of the year. Exceptionally smooth, quick, stable, versatile, although bumps can be tricky as can hard-snow steeps (modified twin). Assumes strong skills, although OK with traditional technique."

Now, I wrote to a shop owner in Switzerland (which carries Stockli; Head; Volkl; Salomon) asking about the ski and this was his response:

"The Stöckli Rotor will be our top ski in the shop. We skied it, it is very good."

I wrote back asking:
But, maybe you meant your "top ski" for sales, but not performance? Maybe "very good", but for who/what did you mean?

I continued:
Even though it is built to be versatile-all around, my questions are:


1) Does it still carve strongly (even if not the same as race skis)?
2) Does it still hold well on hardpack-ice?
3) Is it still very stable in a long turn at high speed?

I added:
I am sure Stockli is able to build up the fiberglass sandwich and make the wide Rotor stiff enough torsionally if they want to. What worries me is that they say on their website:

“This ski’s heavily rounded ends guarantee easy turning and quick pivoting. Hence the name Rotor.”
“Rotor, the pivoting marvel.”
“The round tail of the ski guarantees an easy kick and fast spin – therefore the name Rotor and the design with the Rotor-logo.”

I concluded:
The words “pivot” and “spin” to me sound like skidding, not carving. With that logo, it sounds like this ski was meant for the young park and pipe crowd (not me), who are always spinning around from frontward to backwards - doing 180 or 360 degree spin, and need/want a ski which releases and skids.
I don't mind a ski for all around use which is less stiff than a racing ski and more forgiving of soft edging (I will also have my Supershape anyway), but I don't want a skidder. I am used to powerful carving skis.
Can you please clarify all of the above.

I will post again as soon as I have his answers to the above.

Meanwhile, is there anybody else who has actually skied this thing? It has similar dimensions to the Metron 11, but is rated more in line with the stablity and performance of the B5 (even though the B5 has a deeper sidecut).

Ugly graphics, but "looks" like it might be one hell of an all purpose ski - mid-fat+ with an extra dose of short radius capability.

post #2 of 16
Ski Canada tested the Rotor in the mid-range all mountain category. It scored well with testers and had the most favourable feedback of the Stoecklis we tested. Tested in spring conditions, hard in morning, slushy by noon. Here is some feedback for what it's worth.

Comments:
Men and women enjoyed the predictable, good manners of the Rotor. Not the most versatile in the group but it has performance to spare for good skiers. Excellent candidate in this category.

Testimonials:Men
“Power skiers that enjoy big turns at speed through the schmoo and chopped snow will enjoy this ski.”
“A good all round ski. Easy to go from skidded to carved turns. A little soft in tip so it favours a lighter touch.”
Testimonials: women
“Light weight and easy to turn. Fun and versatile.”
“This ski performed very well at all speeds. Extremely stable and consistent. Great ski for a confident and athletic skier.”
post #3 of 16
Thread Starter 
Bs"D

Thanks for the feedback martino.
If I didn't misunderstand the "had the most favourable feedback of the Stoecklis we tested.", then you also skied the Rotor yourself.
Please allow me to pick your brain/feet a bit more for everyone interested in this fasinating ski. Thank you.

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Ski Canada tested the Rotor in the mid-range all mountain category.”
What do they mean by "mid-range", in performance, or waist width?

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It scored well with testers and had the most favourable feedback of the Stoecklis we tested.”
Which other Stocklis were tested? This would also give some indication of performance.

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Tested in spring conditions, hard in morning, slushy by noon.”
Did it hold well in the morning ice?

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Comments:
...Not the most versatile in the group...”
Huh?! I would have thought that this would be the last complaint. What in that group did they consider more versatile than a ski this wide with a 14m radius? What about it did they consider not versatile?

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Testimonials:Men
“Power skiers that enjoy big turns at speed through the schmoo and chopped snow will enjoy this ski.”
... A little soft in tip...””
This is great to hear! This was exactly one of my concerns - stability.
In my mind, this is amazing versatility. Float, stability at high speed, forgiveness and not too stiff shovel (= easy slow speeds too), and with a good short radius capability - that is versatile.
But, again surprising. I would think that the soft shovel would hurt it in hooking up for short turns, and for crud busting??

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Testimonials:Men
"...it favours a lighter touch." “A good all round ski. Easy to go from skidded to carved turns.””
Is the ski too soft torsionally for strong powerful carving? Or, said in reverse, does it also want to easily go from carving to skidding (not good)?

Thank you very much martino.

If anyone else has experience on the Rotor, please chime in. Thanks
post #4 of 16
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Bs"D

Footloose Sports Review of Rotor:

"Stockli’s unique twin-tip all-mtn midfat was a standout in our test last spring. A little more demanding than similar skis, the Rotor rewards with that ultra-solid and smooth Stockli ride. One of testers said: “Surprise of the show for me- skis bigger than it is. Good from the top of the mtn to the bottom, including the park.”
Like all the Stocklis, this ski got good reviews from a variety of testers who loved its silky ride. Unlike the racier Stocklis, the Rotor has a foam core (instead of wood) to shave weight. Where it departs from the other twins is in the metal layer that gives it a damp, quiet feel on the snow. With it’s deep sidecut, smooth ride, and without an integrateed binding, the Rotor is a great alternative to the typical flat-tail integrated binding high-performance all-mtn carver.
Compare to the K2 Recon, Atomic Metron B5, Fischer AMC 76.
Sizes 169, 179cm. Sidecut 124-76-109."
post #5 of 16
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Bs"D

Footloose Sports Review of Rotor:

"Stockli’s unique twin-tip all-mtn midfat was a standout in our test last spring. A little more demanding than similar skis, the Rotor rewards with that ultra-solid and smooth Stockli ride. One of testers said: “Surprise of the show for me- skis bigger than it is. Good from the top of the mtn to the bottom, including the park.”
Like all the Stocklis, this ski got good reviews from a variety of testers who loved its silky ride. Unlike the racier Stocklis, the Rotor has a foam core (instead of wood) to shave weight. Where it departs from the other twins is in the metal layer that gives it a damp, quiet feel on the snow. With it’s deep sidecut, smooth ride, and without an integrateed binding, the Rotor is a great alternative to the typical flat-tail integrated binding high-performance all-mtn carver.
Compare to the K2 Recon, Atomic Metron B5, Fischer AMC 76.
Sizes 169, 179cm. Sidecut 124-76-109."
I skied the Rotor for 4 to 5 days last season.Been on Stockis for 20 seasons. Great ski! Stable, Extremely Fast edge to edge,Because of extra layer of metal under foot feels like a GSski when standing on middle ofski in wide radius turns. Good on ice with calm centered stance.good up to 60 mph in the 169 cm length. Iam 215lb Expert and ski very aggresively and fast. Also skied Laser Cross and highly reccommend the ski for front side skiing. Skied it in 167cm and handled my weight no problem!
post #6 of 16
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Bs"D

Thanks vita-mam - good to hear another consistent positive review.

I think I have heard enough - the ski sounds great - I gotta get me some!

I was just surprised that at your weight you use the 169cm.
I am only about 155-160 lbs and am pretty sure the 169cm is the right length for me.
post #7 of 16
I don't think I'm going to bother going up to the snow this season, it's been disgusting here. But if I do, I'll try these.
post #8 of 16
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I don't think I'm going to bother going up to the snow this season, it's been disgusting here.
Huh?!
post #9 of 16
RadRab,
My apologies for the delay in my reply about the Stockli Rotor. I was away. I manage the ski test for Ski Canada so I only ski some models and Rotor was not one of them. 30 skiers tested each model including Laser Cross, Laser Cross Pro, Spirit, Spirit ED. VII, Sinox Pro, Sinox Fun, Stormrider AT, and Stormrider XL from Stockli. We test high performance and mid range performance all mountain skis and Rotor was entered by Stoeckli in the mid range category. Stormriders were in the high performance category. For these two categories, the skis are similar in dimensions but usually the differences are found in materials, stiffness and price. Rotor is a twintip with a synthetic core and titanal. It was being compared to Head im72, Salomon Blast and Atomic M:11 for example.
In our experience Stoeckli test results haven't always been consistent because they are almost always top of the line wood core racing heritage skis that favour a relatively narrow skier type and snow conditions. Consequently tester feedback often varies a lot depending on personal preference and snow conditions during their test runs. For example I like their race skis but torsionally stiff skis are sensitive to tuning if the snow is hard and small vagaries like that are hard to factor in.
Rotor is a new design that takes some of the pleasing design features from the Sinox line and yet is beefy enough for our 200+ testers to enjoy. Overall, Rotor had the most consistent and favorable comments of all the Stoecklis. It also compared very well with other top performers on test day. It sounds like a great choice for all round conditions.
I was just told that our website will soon carry all the data from the ski test that is far too much to print. Printed ski test results are a summary and consensus that is also open to a certain amount of interpretation.
It might be worth noting that it is possible to analyze data to death but in the end it is just feedback from other people skiing. We don't recommend anyone buy skis based solely on ski test results. Don't put down the Visa until you have done the test that really counts - your own.
post #10 of 16
Thread Starter 
Bs"D
Martino,
Thanks for the detailed response.
Considering the company it was in overall, and the other Stocklis (including a very good Stromrider XL) that it was a favorite amoungst, I would say the Rotor sounds really pretty good.

It will be the first ski I demo this year.

Thanks
post #11 of 16
ive demod this ski several times in the 169cm (im 5'10" 185) and it is so quick edge to edge..the best all around ski ive skiied on in a while-granted it is also the shortest, but most of the competition is 174 or so cm and the next rotor is I think a 179, anyway I tend to ski all terrain types as squaw is just that and so far its been awesome. it is quicker than the stormrider which is also nice, and although it truly hasnt been skiied on ice by myself yet it is the ski i intend to buy at the end of the season.............hopefully ill be able to still find it!!
post #12 of 16

So who owns the Rotor?

So, who lately has been on the rotor, any fresh new opinions? I'm thinking about this to expand my quiver (although I've also considered the old Elan M666/magfire12 or AMC 76 or new Watea 78 or Cold Heat)..

Lookin for an all mountain ski and like the fact that as advertised these ROTORS seem to be the at the top of the list (but not many reviews out there).
post #13 of 16
I own the 169 - posted a comment on it a while back. Really nice in boot top pow, bumps, tight spots, chop; really easy to handle on groomed and wants to go fast like all Stocklis, but lower speed limit than the XL. Not an ice skate.
post #14 of 16
thanks found your other post, you were not high on the ski like the xl. Maybe I'll look for an xl.
post #15 of 16
BEWARE: the XL is a totally different ski. That isn't a bad thing but it is something you should know.
the Stormrider XL, like most Stockli's demands that you be on your game or it will beat you up a bit.
PS. the Rotor is a bit more versatile and a bit easier to ski but doesn't rip the same way an XL can.
post #16 of 16
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BEWARE: the XL is a totally different ski. That isn't a bad thing but it is something you should know.
the Stormrider XL, like most Stockli's demands that you be on your game or it will beat you up a bit.
PS. the Rotor is a bit more versatile and a bit easier to ski but doesn't rip the same way an XL can.
Well looks like I need to demo. I'm sure any nice semi mid fat is going to be good for me - a lot of use M666, AMC 76, or the Rotor..... hummm decisions
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