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Question about the Oakley's line of goggles..

post #1 of 27
Thread Starter 
My Oakley L-Frames are getting old and I plan to buy a new pair.

Looking over their web site its hard to make out the "top" model.

I see the A-frame every where in skiing and snow boarding and the price seems to make them the top model but if I'm not mistaken the WISDOM & CROWBAR are the newest models out. I really like the Wisdom series.

So am I correct in thinking the A-Frame is still their top of the line model?

I want to buy their best one.
post #2 of 27
There is no top-of-the-line model. The wisdom is a larger goggle than the a-frame, it is not better or worse. The quality (and price) is determined by the lens you put in the frame. For example, a polarized lens is more expensive than a non-polarized. My fire iridium a-frames are more expensive than a vr28 lens. The crowbar is basically a better-looking wisdom that is compatible with helmets.

The wisdom is almost non-useable with many helmets, they are far too big.
post #3 of 27
Thread Starter 
ahh I see. I now wonder which has better anti fogging or which makes better use of venting. The crowbar or A Frame?
post #4 of 27
My A-frames have never fogged, and I've used them in pretty much every condition imaginable, from 0 degree bluebird, to 60 degree rain, to heavy snow around 20 degrees. They don't dry out my contacts, even at race speeds, but do keep them ventillated. I've never used crowbars.
post #5 of 27
I too love my a-frames, but know three other buddies who all have problems with the HIgh intensity yellow lense. Why it's different from other lenses is beyond us but it always fogs (though does defog with speed). Actually, just ordered another pair of A-frames because I love them so much and I'm sick of swapping lenses.
post #6 of 27
I've used the A-frame for many years and I'm very satisfied with them. Like Samurai I was tired of swapping lenses so last year I went to get a second pair of goggles. Tried both the Wisdom and the Crowbar, and the latter was a much better fit for me. Compared to the A-frame the lense is wider so your peripheral vision is improved slightly. I also got a free goggle case with them so Crowbar it was for me. Fogging has never been a problem on eithermy A frames or Crowbar.

Go to a dealer and try them on! Bring your helmet too to see what fits best.



Of course, someone will tell you that there are equally good goggles out there for a lot less money
post #7 of 27
Thread Starter 
Crowbar seems to be the way to go. I actually like the wisdom and crowbar and one of the most important things to me is peripheral vision. Thats why I was looking at the Wisdom and Crowbar to begin with. I think I'll pick up the crowbar for sure.

I don't own a helmet....yet. I plan to buy a Giro though.

I was thinking about getting a clear lens for night sking. What do you think about clear compared to a yellow for night?
post #8 of 27
I like yellow for night racing because it makes the colors of the gates really pop out at you. Either will work, I have friends who use both.
post #9 of 27

If you'd consider another brand...

I have a pair of Bolle Scream goggles with a lemon gun lens (38% light transmission) that retail for about $120 and I have absolutely no complaints after a year of skiing with them.

-They fit my face well
-The light transmission works well for cloudy days in the glades and bright days in the bowls
-They also clip together in the back, allowing me to use a goggle extender (I made from an old Bolle strap) with my helmet, without cutting the factory band.
-They allow quite a bit of peripheral vision, side to side and top to bottom
-They've never fogged

Just my $0.02... Not to talk you out of Oakley's, but I've enjoyed the Bolle's.

OKD
post #10 of 27
I have the Wisdoms & the HI Yellow A Frames. The A frames are a better fit with my Giro 9 helmet, but when going Mach Stoopid my eyes water a bit which is annoying. I don't know if the helmet strap is to blame. I've never had a problem with the HI Yellow fogging up on me.
post #11 of 27
04/05 A frame here and no idea what lens is in them, but it works darn well in ALL light conditions. Fits my helmet well and paid full retail of $50.

I've also got the K2 goggles that came with my helmet and have sphereical lenses, made for the helmet etc... I've tried 3 different lens colors and none are as good as the A frames.
post #12 of 27
Thread Starter 
Those Bolle's are nice. I was looking at those on ebay the other day.

I don't like the way the A-frames look so they are out for sure. I thank you huys for the input though. Its all appreciated. I think I'm set on those Crowbars, but if i were to look at another I think the Bolle scream would be my next choice.
post #13 of 27
I own the Wisdom goggles, and can say that I wish I had bought the A frame. The Wisdom is by far the most comfortable goggle I have ever worn, but it is very bulky, and the nose cavity is kind of narrow, so if you don't have a narrow nose, you may find that your nose gets pushed shut, making it tougher to breathe. The stock A Frame is cheaper, but just as high quality. One more thing...I was sking in Utah, and fell, only to get up and find out the strap on my brand new Wisdom goggles had broken at the plastic connection point. Of course they don't make regular replacement straps for the Wisdom, only the helmet strap, which is wider and has a rubber backing. So like I said, go with the A frames. Or if you want to spend a little more, I now have a pair of Spy goggles that I love. I think they're the blizzard goggles.
post #14 of 27
Thread Starter 
I have already decided against the Wisdom due to some other comments I've read here and after reading your thoughts I'm glad I did.

Like I said, the A-Frame is out. I really dislike the look of them. Crowbar Snow is getting my vote right now.

Yeah I have a narrow nose for sure. Not sure if that will matter with the crowbar. I don't mind a big frame either if it offers better visibility.

I plan to buy a Giro Bad LT helmet so as long as the goggle fits with that I'll be happy.
post #15 of 27
I have both A-Frames for bright days, including 3 different lenses, and Crowbars with a light lens for fog and clouds. I like them both. I also have used the Wisdoms and don't like the way they fit my face. The Crowbars are a great choice if you only need one goggle. But, if you want different lens options, I'd go with two goggles (like I already have), even if it means buying another pair rather than swapping lenses which is a pain.
post #16 of 27
Although they're not Oakleys, I have to throw out another vote for the Bolle Scream.

I have a particularly wide face and have found that a lot of goggles don't fit me properly. The Screams do not have that problem, and are very comfortable. The lenses also appear to be of great quality and are VERY fog resistant. If a local shop around you carries them, be sure to try them out before plunking down the dough for the Oakleys.
post #17 of 27

Bolle Extender

If you do get the Screams, ask the shop for an old strap. I made a helmet extender with a pair of sissors and my mom's sewing machine (it actually looks like its from Bolle). The extra three inches or so makes the goggles fit perfect on my Boeri helment and the goggles don't put pressure on my face.

Sorry about the partial hijack.

OKD
post #18 of 27
What's the best A-Frame lens for low/flat light? I'm looking for something to supplement my Fire Iridium lens, which is very dark. It's great on a bluebird day, but I got a concussion as a result of the lack of contrast that they provide in flat light...
post #19 of 27
I'm a big fan of Oakley, I have some of the obscenely expensive Titanium Whisker sunglasses, a pair of the X-metal Juliets, and also carry an Oakley golf bag, BUT... their snow goggles really kind of suck compared to Smith. I've had both the Wisdom and the A-Frame and they don't compare to Smith's with the Sensor Mirror lens. Do a search on here or any other ski msg board about the Sensor Mirror lens.

http://www.smithsport.com/products/s...l_prodigy.html

NEVER fogs, Sensor mirror is flat out AMAZING in flat light, and its still useable on sunny days (but not ideal). You can swap the lens very easily if sunny days bother you but I use the sensor mirrior 100% of the time. Another plus is the sensor mirror has this extremely cool blueish-silver mirror tint on the outside that constantly gets looks and questions I bought tons of ski gear last year including 3 pairs of skis, new boots, and a new Arc'teryx jacket and my Smiths with the sensor mirror lens was probably my favorite new toy.

http://www.opticallydelicious.com

Hit snow and then simulator - it exaggerates *a little*, but not much. Fun site to play around with.
post #20 of 27
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Originally Posted by doublediamond223 View Post
What's the best A-Frame lens for low/flat light? I'm looking for something to supplement my Fire Iridium lens, which is very dark. It's great on a bluebird day, but I got a concussion as a result of the lack of contrast that they provide in flat light...
Definitely the Hi-Intensity Yellow lens. Really boosts contrast better than anything I've seen - phenomenal in flat light.
post #21 of 27
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Originally Posted by CanuckInstructor View Post
Definitely the Hi-Intensity Yellow lens. Really boosts contrast better than anything I've seen - phenomenal in flat light.
Yeah I'd agree with that. I talked to someone who owned those lenses, and they even said that unless it's a really sunny day, you can still wear them with little strain. But if the sun is beaming, watch your retina.
Of course on days like that you just want to put on your sunglasses anyway.
post #22 of 27
Thread Starter 
Well I fell in love with the Bolle Jinx (Black/orange frames with Fire red spherical lens) I plan to buy an extra lens for night skiing (Clear) or I may buy a clear or yellow lens for my Oakley L-Frames and wear them at night. Not sure.

This matches my RX8's and boots. Gotta have them.
Damn sexy!
post #23 of 27
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Originally Posted by Amish View Post
This matches my RX8's and boots. Gotta have them.

...................I just hope that's not why you bought them :
post #24 of 27
don't forget carrera kimeriks with a polarized lens, they are without a doubt the best goggle i have used in any light!
post #25 of 27
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by doublediamond223 View Post
...................I just hope that's not why you bought them :
Don't roll your eyes at me man....

No way did I buy them for their looks alone. If that was the case I'd be getting Oakleys. Oakley has a goggle that matches my gear perfectly. Nice orange color goggles. Way nice looking. Function is more important to me then form.

After reading everything you guys said, and looking into alternatives to Oakley, I found the Jinx to have all the features I'm looking for and a great price tag to match. $88 is not bad at all for these shades. Having good looks is a bonus. Matching my gear is a double bonus.

I almost bought SMITH phenom or Prodigy but decided on the Bolle instead.
post #26 of 27
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Originally Posted by CanuckInstructor View Post
Definitely the Hi-Intensity Yellow lens. Really boosts contrast better than anything I've seen - phenomenal in flat light.
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Originally Posted by cabrown317 View Post
Yeah I'd agree with that. I talked to someone who owned those lenses, and they even said that unless it's a really sunny day, you can still wear them with little strain. But if the sun is beaming, watch your retina.
Of course on days like that you just want to put on your sunglasses anyway.
I've got the High Intensity Yellow. They are great for low and flat light conditions. I have worn them on bluebird days and after a run or two my eyes adjust to the brightness, however, I'd prefer a darker lense on bluebird days. The quality of this lense is amazing. There are times when I'm skiing with my buddies and they are complaining about not being able to see the terrain changes yet I can still see them.
post #27 of 27
Thread Starter 
Hey guys,

So I decided to go look at goggles and try them on before I hit the "BUY" button. I went to my local sports store and I was shocked to see so many brands and models in stock. After spending about 45 minutes trying them all on and looking through their lens I discovered one thing. But first the brands I played with:

Spy Optics Comet
Spy Optics Targa Goggles
Zeal Link
Smith Cascade Pro
Smith Anthem
Smith Epic Regulator
Oakley A-Frame
Oakley Wisdom
Oakley Crowbar
Oakley O-Frame
Dragon Foil
Dragon Mace
Electric EG1
Von Zipper Bushwick
Von Zipper Sizzle

Oakleys have the most amazing clarity of all. I was really shocked when I put the Oakleys on after trying some others. The clarity is shocking. Most of the others seemed good until I tried those Oakleys on. I even went back to all the goggles again to test once more and nothing in that store had the clarity that the Oakleys had. The Crowbar and A-frame were the best.

I don't even like the style of the A-Frame that much but I think I just might buy them. Amazing optics. There really is a difference between goggles.

My next choice would have to be Smith. The oakleys were better though. I guess I have to buy those now considering how much better the optics are. I really do wish I could have tried Bolle though. I really wanted some Bolle's.
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