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St. Moritz GS Men + Women results

post #1 of 20
Thread Starter 
Men

1. Bodie Miller (USA)
2. Hans Knauss (AUT)
3. Eric Schlopy (USA)

Women

1. Anja Paerson (SWE)
2. Denise Karbon (ITA)
3. Alison Forsyth (CAN)

[ February 13, 2003, 05:03 AM: Message edited by: Mirek ]
post #2 of 20


if i have this wrong, please correct me.

so, a racer can win a world championship event, get the medal, and be the "2003 world champion" (in sl, gs, etc.), RIGHT?

that seems odd to me only in that said racer might not do so well in the WC standings at the end of the year and still be "world champion" in super-g (or combined, etc.).

have i got this all wrong?

is it just quibbling/semantics?

[ February 12, 2003, 07:12 AM: Message edited by: ryan ]
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It is confusing. The World Cup, devised during the Portillo World Championships by Serge Lange and others was a travelling "grand prix" format which attached points to already existing FIS races and other "classics" to award the seasons most successful racers.
The world championships have followed various formats to offset the olympic years....up until the 1980 season, the olympic champion was also the "world champion". At different points in history both the oly games and the worlds counted in the World Cup......next week, I explain the college football bowl picture!
Yeeesh! How convuluted is this?
If Bode was a ball player batting .450 with an unorthodox swing....he would be relegated to "a blip" in the sport, destined for sure obscurity when the "magic zone" goes away....but he is even proving me wrong...(and that is near impossible to admit)! The big story is Eric Scholpy....what a hard road he has followed back to prominence.
This WC is turning out to be North America vs. The Euros in a big way....particularly if you figure in the top 10 in each.....
post #4 of 20
Quote:
Originally posted by ryan:


if i have this wrong, please correct me.

so, a racer can win a world championship event, get the medal, and be the "2003 world champion" (in sl, gs, etc.), RIGHT?

that seems odd to me only in that said racer might not do so well in the WC standings at the end of the year and still be "world champion" in super-g (or combined, etc.).

have i got this all wrong?

is it just quibbling/semantics?
Ryan, Greetings from the Wasatch.

It's not quibbling. It's ignorance on your part. I am, of course, pulling your leg.

Winning a medal at the World Championships is akin to winning a medal in the Olympics. The World Championships don't happen every year, unlike the World Cup. For some competitors a World Championship gold medal eclipses all other victories.
post #5 of 20
Yeah it's great to see Schlopy on the podium. Interesting that this summer he did a lot of training in nyc in the park. What was his "long road back"?
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I guess the long road refers to his early career prospects, leaving the USST, going pro, requalifing back onto the USST at more than optimum age, having early success again then nada, nothing....until the right moment! Medals for people like Eric, Melanie etc. just like the Debbie Armstrongs and Kathy Krieners of the past have come out of the pack on the big game day....makes it that much sweeter...the pinnacle of a career...some people never get one, let alone "the big one"!
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anyone know if chad fleischer has retired? or not. speaking of long roads.
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Chad has not yet retired, he is still rehabilitating his knee. This was issued last year:

"Two-time Olympic alpine skier Chad Fleischer, who had recently recorded an Olympic-qualifying finish, will be out for the season following a downhill training crash on Jan. 10 that left him with a severely injured right knee - a torn ACL and MCL. The following feature was written before the World Cup season began. Fleischer was full of optimism for the U.S. Ski Team and himself. And that optimism continues for Fleischer, who told the Denver Post that he hope to compete in the 2006 Games. "I'm not giving up on anything," he told the newspaper. "It's not over yet. It's just going to take awhile." "

He is actually doing color commentary for OLN at the moment. Brings some "unique" aspects and comments to the events.
post #9 of 20
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Originally posted by Tog:
Yeah it's great to see Schlopy on the podium.
I couldn't agree more . . . . three cheers for Eric!!! [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img] BTW Eric had the fastest second run by .97 seconds - a scorcher to be sure.

I am thrilled about the results the USST has achieved and I believe there is more to come from this year's World Championship. [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]

[ February 12, 2003, 01:28 PM: Message edited by: Inspector Gadget ]
post #10 of 20
Thread Starter 
Today's Women GS results added.
post #11 of 20
At last, a medal!
Ryan, BTW, I see that many have explained it already but,
the World Cup (or White Circus, as it's also known )
has nothing to do with becoming World Champion.
The tour simply crowns the best overall skier, the one who has
been able to program himself (i.e. his body and mind)to obtain
the best results thruoughtout a whole season and, if possible, across as many disciplines as possible (DH, Super G, GS, SL and Combine). In other words, He who has gathered the most points.
To complicate things a bit there are the so called Speciality cups (or in Italian Coppette= Little Cups ), which are awarded to the skier whom has been able to gather the most points in every single speciality.
The World championships, OTOH, do crown the best skier for a single event in a single race (i.e. He who has been to
tweak his training in such a way to reach the peak exactly during that period of time) and be the fastes onthat day. This does not mean that one racer cannot win in more than one discipline and be at the same time
World Champion in GS and, say, Super G.
And this is why, from time to time, whe have a World Champion who has not (yet) scored points or become famous in the White Circus, take Frank Woerndl (sp?) (German Slalom World Champion in the '80), well, he won a gold medal (I don't even remmeber when and where) but failed to obtain enough consinstency to win a World cup.
Same applies for the Olympia games.
post #12 of 20
So, to answer ytour question, no, it's not just semantic.
post #13 of 20
One important point to add regarding World Championships and Olympics is that it is also limiting the number of participants form each country. In certain events, this makes it somewhat "easier" to win as the competition is "easier". Super G is especially one of those events as several times the Austrians will have eight in the top ten at a World Cup Race, while in the World Championships they may be allowed only four entries, at best five.
post #14 of 20
Oh yes! I forgot that! And also that, in the World Cup events,
until the mess with Girardelli (he is an Austrian citizen who was racing for Louxembourg, without citizenship at first, afterwards I think that they modified the rules in such a way that one must be a citizen of the country he/she races for, so Girardelly ended up holding two passports)
a racer did not need to be citizen for of the country he was racing for, but for the World Cup and for Olympia that was/is a must.

Another example, more recent, is the Austro-New Zealander girl,
Claudia Riegler (whose brother is a very good alpine snowboarder)
and there were also a Canadian-Czech girl and her brother who, at first raced for the chzec republic and then switched to Canada.
Thomas Grandi does not count in this, he was born in Canada from and Italian family but has always been a Canadian, althought I
suspect that if he wished he could obtain an Italian passport.
I've laso heard rumours that four Austrians are going to switch
to Germany next year (competition for a place in the Austrian team is so fierce...)
post #15 of 20
Matteo, "Same applies for the Olympia games."
Almost... Correct me if i'm wrong, starting rights to Olympic events are not goverened by the FIS, but the Olympic committee. So we get to see the hopelessly uncompetitive exotics at the Olympics which the FIS would never allow on any of their events. Remember Eddie the Eagle? The FIS wanted to get rid of him, they blamed him he wanted to ridicule the sport and whatever, but he just did not go away. Great guy, everybody loved him except the FIS officials. Think Happy Gilmore
post #16 of 20
jpfeiffer, you're right of course. CIO governates the Olympics
World Cup racing /World Championships racing (thus FIS) goals and motives are somehow at odds with the Olympian esprit (De Coubertin and all that), and the CIO is/was trying to respect that (De Courbertin motto, I mean); how can they say/do that with a straight face I sincerly don't know.
Well, I think that FIS objections had to do with safety too, other than with ridicule...
Think what could happen to an untrained guy who is competing in the Olympia DH...
I also remember the two guys from Morocco and Lebanon (not sure) whom during the secon run of the Olympia GS came nearly to blows because one was overtaking the other, do you?
As for Eddie the Eagle, he is somehow famous in Germany (can you beleive the coincidence?) I was watching a program on the German telly the other evening and there he was (and he's made some money in the process, can you beleive it?)

Think happy, always
post #17 of 20
Since the "Eddie the Eagle" scenario, the FIS, which DOES oversee the ski racing at the Olympics, changed it's policies regarding entry into the Games. Now any athlete must qualify for the Games by meeting the standards set for the coming Games. Usually, an athlete must meet minimum criteria, say top 500 in the world in a given discipline, or perhaps a set FIS point criteria.

What many do not understand about the Olympics, is that each sport at the Games is governed by it's International Governing Body. The blanket organization running the Games is the ORGANIZING COMMITTEE. Just as the International Skating Union is responsible for its judges and its athletes, so is the FIS for skiing and snowboarding, - not the organizing committee.

But what great racing by the men and women!!!
Congrats to ALL the medalists!

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post #18 of 20
Quote:
Originally posted by jpfeiffer:
Matteo, "Same applies for the Olympia games."
Almost... Correct me if i'm wrong, starting rights to Olympic events are not goverened by the FIS, but the Olympic committee. So we get to see the hopelessly uncompetitive exotics at the Olympics which the FIS would never allow on any of their events.
That can't be quite right. Does anybody remember Win Jack Pai or something like that? I think he was Chinese.
He entered the GS at St Anton World Championships on a pair of circa 1988 DH boards, and came in over five minutes down the field after numerous falls.
Pretty funny stuff.

Mark
post #19 of 20
MarkP:

Although I can not quote the FIS policy, the restriction for entry is applicaple to alpine speed events and other events such as ski jumping. For example, the highest point holder in the men's downhill at St. Moritz had 116 FIS points, while the highest point holder in the men's GS had 598 FIS points. Clearly an issue of safety. Every so often I look at the 92 Albertville Olypics where I have tape of the SG where some of the competitors actually kept saving themselves by sliding/side slipping up against the gate panels and holding on. Only to release and slide on to the next one. Very funny, at least for us, but I am sure very terrifying for them. Eddie the Eagle was ultimately forced out partly by pressure from other competitors as he was an accident waiting to happen every time he jumped. They just did not want to see him have any more serious injuries while making a mockery of their sport.
post #20 of 20
Norefjell,
Yes, that makes sense. I watched extended coverage of the mens GS yesterday, and they were showing a skier from Kuwait who took 30 seconds more than the fastest time on one run.
If he fell he was only really going to hurt his pride.
He was having a great time though!
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