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Jackson Hole for Intermediates?

post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 
Three friends and I are planning a trip for early February and are thinking about Jackson Hole.

One of the guys is an intermediate who has some trouble on just about any black run, and I'm a little stronger but not expert. The other two guys can do anything.

I know Jackson Hole is known for challenging terrain, and the experts are excited at the idea of JH. But looking at the terrain map a lot of the blue runs seem to be traverses. If we mostly stick together and ski the blues and easier blacks, will the better skiers hate us for life?

Thanks!
post #2 of 22
give us some idea of where you've skied before. JH's blues tend to be little harder than some are used to. Casper Bowl tends to be easier than the Apre Vous area.
post #3 of 22
Not only is the terrain more challenging but they do not groom like what you might be used to back in Ontario or the East Coast. This alone for an intermediate skier makes life a whole lot harder if you are not used to it...

My wife is an intermediate skier and can handle any groomed black run in the States or Europe however I don't think she would enjoy JH in the least.
post #4 of 22
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Originally Posted by Curtis View Post
Three friends and I are planning a trip for early February and are thinking about Jackson Hole.

One of the guys is an intermediate who has some trouble on just about any black run, and I'm a little stronger but not expert. The other two guys can do anything.

I know Jackson Hole is known for challenging terrain, and the experts are excited at the idea of JH. But looking at the terrain map a lot of the blue runs seem to be traverses. If we mostly stick together and ski the blues and easier blacks, will the better skiers hate us for life?

Thanks!
YES and probably into the after life.

Intrmediates will want to stay to the skiers left side of the mountain on Apres Vous high speed quad lift. The other more experienced skiers are going to want to spend time on skiers right side of the mountain on lifts Thunder, Sublette, and East Ridge Double Chair.

That said I would strongly suggest for your first group run together you all take the Teewinot Quad Chair and then ski over to Apres Vous high speed quad lift. Actually you can get in a lot of vertical skiing on Apres Vous high speed quad.

First take the solid blue trails and then try a dotted blue trail. Remember the trail rating system is all relative to JH and has nothing to do with trails you are use to skiing at your home mountain. That said, the dotted blue trails are more like east coast black diamonds. The solid black trails depending on conditions can be anywhere from east coast double black diamonds to single black diamonds. Be very careful on the traverses.

If you feel comfortable skiing blue trails off Apres Vous then try the Gondola. Your expert skiers will like skiing directly under the Gondola while the intermediates can ski the blue trails off the top of the Gondola on skiers right.

Take lessons before JH and take lessons at JH. Due to high elevation drink lots of water at JH and limit the amount of alcohol the first two days. After that you are your own.

I don't think you want to ski on thunder, sublette, or East Ridge chairs. I will also be at JH that week and will be spending most of my time on those lifts.

Places to eat, Mangee Moose, Teton Steak House, and Bubbas BBQ with BYOB. Fancy nice place to eat Gun Barrel.
post #5 of 22
eat at Billy's Burgers, right next to the Million Dollar Cowboy Bar.
Huge, GOOD burgers.

When i was ther i spent most of my time on the lookers left side of the mountain in the hobacks and surrounding areas. For us east coasters who are not too comfortable on "extreme" trails stay right.
like the guys above said
post #6 of 22
In addition to the blue terrain off the Casper lift and off Aprez-vous mentioned above there is some blue terrain off Rendezvous Mt like Rendezvous Trail below the bowl, the Grand trail below egg carton and Gros Ventre trail.

The blues should keep you busy for a couple of days, then you could try some blacks that are not too extreme. You could spend a couple of days over at Targhee so if your interested in challenging yourself it's probably doable.
post #7 of 22
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Originally Posted by icanseeformiles(andmiles) View Post
give us some idea of where you've skied before. JH's blues tend to be little harder than some are used to. Casper Bowl tends to be easier than the Apre Vous area.
The two better guys have skied all over Colorado and having skied with them before I'm pretty sure they can handle anything they choose to try. I'm more concerned about the guy who's a real intermediate ... I don't think he's ever skied anywhere but Ontario and Michigan.
post #8 of 22
Been there with a very timid intermediate wife, and IT'S OKAY for everyone. DonĀ“t you dare miss out on this. GO and enjoy!
post #9 of 22
Jackson is a dynamite trip--my generl experience with every place I've skied is that once you hit 2000 aces of terrain, there's always plenty of skiing for every type of skier.

With that said, snow quality matters more at some places than others--Jackson, has exposure issues as the days get longer and w-out fresh snow, huge chunks of terrain get takken out of the picture (Like all of the Hobacks, Moran Woods, Apres Vous)--and they're not groomer crazy like a deer Valley/ Vail/ Keystone type resort--so something to keep in mind. But, Jackson gets good snow more often than not (and in that respect, every destination is a bit of risk).

However-Jackson is a great town--best eating (but not the cheapest) of any ski town I've been to. And it's beautiful-Grand Tetons are a really special place.

And don't forget Grand Targhee-a least a day is warranted here if you go to Jackson-a great place for an intermediate to sample lower angle 'off-piste-ish skiing (and a high propensity for fresh snow!--next best after Alta/Snowbird).

I'm thinking on returning to Jackson Again this year, myself

Have fun
post #10 of 22
Thread Starter 
I've read about the southern exposure issues ... that's one reason why we're planning for early February.

Thanks to everyone for the input!
post #11 of 22
I took my wife there and she found the beginner terrain too easy and most of the intermediate terrain too intimidating!
post #12 of 22
You will be divided as a group -- and might not really ski together for the week.
post #13 of 22
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I took my wife there and she found the beginner terrain too easy and most of the intermediate terrain too intimidating!
Do not go to Jackson Hole to ski if you are a beginner! There is very little true beginner terrain.

If you are a beginner, Winter Park or Keystone in Colorado.
post #14 of 22
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Originally Posted by icanseeformiles(andmiles) View Post
Do not go to Jackson Hole to ski if you are a beginner! There is very little true beginner terrain.

If you are a beginner, Winter Park or Keystone in Colorado.
From what I've read about JH I'd agree. In our case no beginners, but the weakest skier of the four really is an intermediate only. He falls a fair amount on modest Ontario black runs ... but can handle all of the blues without any difficulty.

But as others have said on this thread, JH isn't Ontario!
post #15 of 22
yeah, I spent a season working there several years ago. But, skiing 70+ days at JH/Targhee/Snow King/Teton Pass did wonders for my skiing.
post #16 of 22

just get him some experience.

hey bro,

it's only september, you have pleanty of time to get your beginner friend some experience on better runs, just make him do nothing but blacks till JH. He'll be better off till then.

I'm comming across a similar issue this year, we were supposed to go to snowbird, but since 2 friends comming with us and mids/bigs we're going to Lake tahoe again like I did last year.

But even so, LT is no joke, so I plan on taking my buds who havn't skied outside of NJ to VT before even going out.

I think you should do the same for Jackson Hole. Take your bud to the larger mountains in ur area and get him some experience.
post #17 of 22
Go have a good time. The four of you may end up splitting up at some point and your intermediate friend will get better too. It's a great mountain.
post #18 of 22
If anyone is struggling, put them into the appropriate level group lesson. That way everyone will have fun, and the lesson person might meet some new ski buddies at his level.
post #19 of 22
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If anyone is struggling, put them into the appropriate level group lesson. That way everyone will have fun, and the lesson person might meet some new ski buddies at his level.
Good idea. We may just have to split up, too. My problem is that if we went two and two, I'd be with the intermediate guy I'm worried about!
post #20 of 22
Well, that's one option... maybe check and see if there's any structured development programmes he (and maybe you) can do? Or just maybe a few group lessons, with a view to meeting other ski buds.

You guys should probably try to rendezvous for lunch and plan things from there, the steepndeep guys might like to take it easy in the arvo and ski with you and maybe the intermediate.... stuff like that.
post #21 of 22
Bubbas BBQ and Billys Burgers are two must eats.

If the intermediate takes a lesson or two while you are out there, it will be a benefit.
post #22 of 22
JH is a must trip. However, don't let your intermediate friend hold you back. If you don't get there often, you need to take full advantage of the trip and experience all of the terrain you are capable of skiing. I recommend you find another intermediate to come along so they can ski together.

Bubbas and Billys are great and make sure to check out the Snake River Brewery. Absolutely great beer!! My daughter thinks the root beer is also the best!
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