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post #1 of 28
Thread Starter 
Hey all,
I kinda need help making decisions. I'm thinking of getting a puppy in January if there are any beagle pups available during that month.

Now my question is...how do you guys deal with puppies during ski season. I usually go on one day trips every other day throughout January - late April/early May. I've seen quite a few dogs locked up in their cars at ski resort parking lots which i think is inhumane and beyond cruel. Could i stick the puppy in a chest pouch or backpack for kids or...? Planning on naming the dog Volkl [img]smile.gif[/img] Any opinions/suggestions?

post #2 of 28

You're joking, right? Let me call the ASPCA now............
post #3 of 28
Um if it is a boy puppy it will feel at home on your lower leg.

I jest.

You are kidding. No way would you take it skiing. Make it a nice cosy bed back home, lots of chewy toys and maybe an old fashion alarm clock that ticks softly under its pillow as a sustitute mums heartbeat. Better still buy two puppies so it has friend. Matching beagles, Volk and Stockl. (workout both legs)

Please, please don't take it skiing.

Oz [img]smile.gif[/img]

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ November 20, 2001 05:40 PM: Message edited 2 times, by man from oz ]</font>
post #4 of 28
In the Warren Miller movie, 'Born to Ski' there was a segment on: "Pat with his cat, named Hat, riding on his shoulder down big boulder."
The cat had a velcro vest on.
Pat had the opposite sided velcro on his shoulder.
Pat rode a monoski.
The cat didn't look happy.

What about the St. Bernards with hot chocolate thermoses on their collars rescuing cartoon characters?
post #5 of 28
hey zeek,
dont let these guys scare you. i have abeagle whos six months old. we went hiking for a couple of preseason turns in oct. he hiked all the way up the mountain right by our side, i tried to put him in my back pack for the way down. he wouldnt hav any part in it as soon as we got goin he bailed out and ran along right behind us. let me also mention that he is not a very big dog, he only stands about 8" high. the biggest thing is to make sure hes well trained. make sure early on in his life you establish that yur the master beagles are very stuburn and hard to house train but it can be done. he's 6 months old now and hes finally starting to understand that his bathroom is outside. he probly wont do much skiing with me this winter but im sure he'll do some. good luck to you and volkl and doint forget to ski hard.
post #6 of 28
I ain't got no dog.
My parents have a beagle mix named Rosie.
post #7 of 28
Do yourself and your pup a favor: Buy a (travel) crate and "crate train" him/her. Easiest and fastest way to house break the little guys, way less traumatic, and won't ruin your flooring/carpet. Read up on it. Study it...

When they're too young to control their bowel/bladder, the crate contains the mess and is easy to clean. It's like a den, so their natural desire to not soil it causes them to learn to control their bowel/bladder. And when they're old enough to chew, will save much valuable property. It being there "den" gives them "security" when you're not there with them. Tried and proven.

I trained professionally for a number of years - crate training is by far the best method. PM me if you need help or can't find any other information.

As for taking him skiing: Most areas don't allow dogs (unless they are rescue and/or avalanche dogs). Not to mention that ski and snowboard edges can be quite sharp, in the event of an accident could hurt your dog seriously. Backcountry? use your judgement... deep snow is *very* hard on 4 legged creatures.

If you have a travel crate in your rig and your dog spends time outside in the winter (acclimatized - when he's older) there is no reason he can't wait for you in the car, *provided* he has fresh air (open a window a crack) and water. When you stop to take a break from skiing, let him out to air and relieve himself. He will love you for taking him along. If temps are sub-zero, be a friend and leave him home where it's warm.

If you take him, USE A CRATE.

Folks, spare me the flames, please. I have traveled many many miles with dogs, lots of dogs, hunting and to field trials... Many many trainers and handlers do the same things I have described. Just be wise and responsible about it.

Just remember: you have to do the thinking for your dog.
post #8 of 28
For sure go the crate route. For a beagle sized dog the crate will fit in the back seat of most cars. Crates are NOT INHUMANE. They are the best idea that has come along for house breaking and dealing with all the puppy "problems" It is always nicer to let your dog out of a crate, than to come home and deal with a mess or chewed up household items.

One other thing do you and the dog both a favor and do not take any puppy home at 49 days (7 weeks). Regardless of what you might have heard the dog will learn quicker and be much more ready to leave momma and litter mates at 10-12 weeks. A 10 week old puppy can "hold it for 4-5 hours easily during daytime. Long enough for a morning of sking.

Why does this seem like the "one stop answer man"????? :
post #9 of 28
Let the dog chase you up the chairlift. That's what an intructor did every day on the Scottish mountain where I worked. And the dog was well capable of overtaking the chairlift.
Mind you, it was back in the 1970s when chairlifts were a little sluggish.
You'll need a greyhound to chase you up a detachable quad.
post #10 of 28
Re. the above.
The advice I gave is absurd.
I forgot that it is a little puppy.
post #11 of 28
I'll back up the crate training. Once your dog is old enough and well trained you can start leaving the dog out during the day in your home. To keep the mess down and the clean up easy during crate training is to get disposable absorbant puppy pads. These are like diapers but come in a sort of blanket form. Put a nice soft bed in the crate and cover it with the puppy pad. That way when the little bugger does go in the crate it is easy to clean up and you do not have to wash thier bed everyday.
We have two PUGS (I know, I know) and they can go up to 12 hrs without making a mess in the house (usually at home alone for 9 or so every day). They learn to regulate their water intake too, quite amazing, so they wont piddle in the house. If they do have an accident is is always by the back door where they go out, this might happen twice a year at most.
When the weather is mild we will take them to the mtn. They sleep in their crate and are very happy to run around in the snow for awhile while we eat lunch. I would not take them when it is bitter cold out however. Although they think they would be happier to come I would hate for them to be miserable and freeze their snouts off (oops I think they already did). Do you know what your dog does when you are not home? They sleep most of the time.

As for crates in cars, this is a must. Anyone traveling with a dog should keep the dog in a crate. There are two main reasons and both are in case of a collision.

1. A dog is more protected in it's crate. It is in an enclosed area and cannot get as badly hurt in case you get in an accident. Imagine, your dog is in the back seat, you have to SLAM on your brakes, your dog goes flying into your dash or winshield. Not a pretty sight.

2. In case you are knocked unconcious, your dog will become scared and protective. If this happenes and the rescue workers for any reason may think the dog will bite, or shows any aggression, the first officer on the sceane has the right to shoot and kill your dog in order to safely remove you from the vehicle.

I know this sounds really whacked, but it is true.

Another option is the doggie seatbelt harness. It is a harness that works with your cars seatblet. Buckle fido up if you want him/her next to you in the vehicle.

Dogs are wonderful and for any of you thinking about getting one please consider saving a stranded pup.....

check out this site......

Pet Shelter

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ November 21, 2001 07:11 AM: Message edited 3 times, by Argus ]</font>
post #12 of 28
Those travel crates sound great do they make them big enough for a large golden retriever?



PS Second thoughts can you mount them on a roof rack and can I get one big enough for the girlfriends mother?
post #13 of 28
An authentic English joke!
Now I'm really feeling at home here
post #14 of 28
Yes, you can even get a crate big enough for a St., Newfy, or even a Dane.

Mother in Laws can fit into a Rocket Box.
post #15 of 28
Kennel/crate training is the way to go. Coincidently, before I rescued/found my mutt, I had read several articles and books on crate training. I knew I was ready for a dog, but didn't know when. At the time, I lived in a loft with no doors, only a couple of interior walls, with no way of segregating my living area from her area. I knew she was going to be kennel trained for a couple of reasons. First, because of the living arrangements – city loft, and second, I knew she’d be spending a ton of time commuting to the mountains year round.

During her kennel training, I’d leave her in the kennel for two to three hour stretches during the weekdays. Conveniently, my office was only five minutes away by foot; therefore, I could slip out and hang with the pup every couple of hours. Now she has free reign of the house – bought her a fenced yard with a doggie door this year, but she still loves her kennel for sleeping and hanging out. For transportation, her kennel completely fills the way back of my Grand Cherokee, and all our gear is stowed up in the pod.

Now, when I pull the kennel out of the bedroom, pull out the packs, tent, stuff sacks, and begin taking inventory of the gear, her anticipation of doing something “fun” skyrockets. She knows she’s going for R – I – D – E, and will see her other doggie friends for some fun in the mountains. To her, the kennel + packs + jeep = fun.

As for skiing with her, we only take them backcountry when we know the terrain is not going to be too technical. She’s a Shepard/chow/heeler mix, about 50 pounds, with a medium haired thick coat and doesn’t get too cold, but I carry booties and a fleece for her just in case. The booties are great for ice and crud in the winter and hot slickrock and in the summer. In addition to our hydration, we typically carry a couple of Nalgenes per dog. In addition to our beacons, AS A JOKE, I throw in those bacon flavored beggin’ strips in case I get buried – hoping they can sniff me out. Actually, they work great as treats for listening to your commands; for energy, we give them doggie powerbars on the mountain. Just don’t get your powerbars confused with theirs. I love seeing the reaction on my dog's face, ear to ear smiles, as she runs besides me taking in face shots.

Good luck with Volkl. Just beaware of the conditions; train, train, and train your dog to listen to your commands using positive reinforcement. And train some more. As Mikla stated, you're going to have to think for your dog.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ November 21, 2001 12:43 PM: Message edited 1 time, by woodpile ]</font>
post #16 of 28
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MelloBoy:
Hey all,
Could i stick the puppy in a chest pouch or backpack for kids orRegards,

Never heard of sticking a puppy in a backpack, though I understand that some people do funny things with gerbils.
post #17 of 28
Why no just get him his own Volkswagen? :


post #18 of 28
Thread Starter 
I was talking more along the lines of those backpack like contraptions people have where the baby can stick his/her head, legs and arms out [img]smile.gif[/img] not like literally stuff him in a backpack :P

post #19 of 28
If you want a dog that bad get one that will handle the back country ,wait till it's old and strong enough to keep up without getting hurt(this means staying home ..not skiing this season ...you know the bonding thing)and then go where there are no lifts so you don't have to lock it in a car all day where the water can freeze ...and it can eat the upholstery ... crap on the back dash..leave teeth marks on everything it so desires.....
Or you could carry it in a kid carry pack on your back ...of course it will tell you when it's going to piss so it won't run all down the back of you suit ...and every time you get on the chair it's not going to wriggle around while you take off the pack so you don't get hung at the top by your own pack....and it will pad your fall if you ever get taken out by some snowboarder or catch an edge(try and explain that one to a 58 yr.old tree hugging animal loving woman ski patrol that has enough sense to leave her old beagle at home with it's crate while she's trying to find the closest vet because the fall crushed it's rib cage )..........

Oh wait I get it, puppies get you laid ...thats it.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ November 24, 2001 10:57 AM: Message edited 1 time, by Leeroy ]</font>
post #20 of 28
Hey Melloboy,

Are you stuck on a Beagle? Cute dogs and all, but I always advise anyone I know who is getting a dog to get one that matches their lifestyle. Being a skier I'm just assuming that you are active and an out doors type. If this is true a beagles may not be such a great match.

A bunch of us here in Colorado own hearding breeds because they really fit in with our lifestyles. If you are really active they make a great companion, I would personally recommend an Australian Shepard. They are unbelievably smart, loyal, eager to please and train quicker than any dog I have ever seen. They will also be able to keep up with you in anything you do.

Just my two cents, I could be way off on what you are like, if so disregard.

Also, our friends have a beagle, it is the biggest pain in the ass dog I have ever met. Asmatic, has hemroids, wouldn't listen to anyone even if they were covered in peanut butter. Beagles may be fine pups, but this one has just ruined me on the entire breed. Sorry to knock your choice in dogs, but thought I would run my mouth a bit.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ November 25, 2001 10:04 PM: Message edited 1 time, by powderhound ]</font>
post #21 of 28
well i always leave my Boxer at home. But then again, they will give you a ticket for just having a dog in your car in Big or Little Cottonwood Canyon. It has to do with the fact that the Canyons at the water shed for SLC.
post #22 of 28
Thread Starter 
yeah I'm stuck on a beagle. Actually, it'd be my third one [img]smile.gif[/img] I've just never had a problem cause whenever i went skiing, the parents were glad to take care of em (almost got them stolen from me :P) but that was when I was back up in the San Jose area...now down in SoCal, no parents so that option doesn't work. I was just kinda curious as to what you guys did with pets and stuff like that.

As for being outdoorsy, yeah...i ski, but I also spend alot of time with dogs at dog parks, in the woods, fishing, occaisional rabbit chase, etc.

Unfortunately, purebreeds have health problems like asthma and cancer...inbreeding does go on, but regardless, it's one of those things that grow on ya...for example...i drive a volvo...didn't like them much at first, but now i'd only drive a volvo (i might reconsider with the S80 and stuff...liked them up to the boxy S/V70 series). Similarly, didn't like beagles at much first, but they grow on ya...and i probably won't get any other breed throughout my life [img]smile.gif[/img] call me narrow minded, but i like what i like [img]smile.gif[/img]

now...if only a ski manufacturer would grow on me....

post #23 of 28
Powderhound: I have an Aussie (1 1/2) scary smart and very active. Had German Shepherds before, great dogs but the Aussie is easier to control.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ November 25, 2001 10:41 PM: Message edited 1 time, by Lucky ]</font>
post #24 of 28
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MelloBoy:
i drive a volvo...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nuff said.

No chance with an Oz dog. They eat Volvos.

Oz [img]smile.gif[/img]
post #25 of 28
That's not a Volkswagen(4 doors) Looks like some kind of Renault.
Nice dog though. [img]smile.gif[/img]
post #26 of 28
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by man from oz:

Nuff said.

No chance with an Oz dog. They eat Volvos.

Oz [img]smile.gif[/img]

Don't they eat babies too? Hee hee - I love that Seinfeld episode! "maybe the Dingo ate your baby...."

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ November 26, 2001 09:43 AM: Message edited 2 times, by Sugar Snack ]</font>
post #27 of 28
Don't be so picky, Slatz, it looked like Volkswagen Renault to me

Big dog in small car is the idea of the picture, Im glad though you liked the poodle.

post #28 of 28
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sugar Snack:
Don't they eat babies too?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well I guess you can't house train them all! Mmmmm a Seinfeld fan ... nice!


I have a fantastic picture of a very large Airedale that I once owned sitting in the front seat of a VW beetle. The picture is taken from another car from the back as my dog and I traveled through the Oz desert to a secret surf spot. I would post it but the picture is packed up for storage as I hurry to get this place ready for summer rental while I am wintering. Maybe I will dig the picture out next year for a laugh.

Oz [img]smile.gif[/img]
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