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anyone read Lito's "breakthrough on the new skis"??

post #1 of 26
Thread Starter 
I am an experienced skiier switching from old skule straights to new skule super sidecuts and have heard the book, "Breakthrough on the new skis" by Lito Tejada Flores would be a good place to start. Anyone read it/ have it? Your opinions would be appreciated before I drop $35 dollars that could buy two day passes.
Thanx in advance.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ March 12, 2002 06:24 PM: Message edited 1 time, by Karsten Hain ]</font>
post #2 of 26
I haven't read it all, but I have read a number of excerpts. I would say that you can't go wrong by it, but that you should be sure to check out other sources. Lito continues to strongly advocate one-footed skiing, which isn't the only way to ski effectively. As a matter of fact, using the inside foot in an active role is a very effective technique, but consult the experts on this. I'm just repeating what I've heard . I'm using stuff gleaned from Lito, instructors I've had, Harb, and the very helpful folks here at the forums. Good luck!
post #3 of 26
Unsolicited shill for this website--
spend a dozen hours cruising through the various threads of the ski instruction forum. You'll gets lots of different opinions (some knowledgeable, some, well, strongly held) and viewpoints. Then take a look at Lito's book. And if the website was as useful (or more useful)than the book, send AC a little money to support this place.
post #4 of 26
We have reviewed it recently for our ski school and it's so out dated that I wouldn't buy it. In particular Lito's stance is outdated to contemporary movement patterns.

A more contemporary work is: "The Art of Carving," by Ellen Post-Foster a former US PSIA Demonstration Team member. Ms Foster's book has good photos, is user friendly for those who are not pros, and walks you through a very good series of exercises and progressions that really work. It's also less expensive, more comprehensive and it comes in both a book and accompanying video. We show it every year at are early off snow training sessions. Good Luck.


post #5 of 26
Lito's pretty good reading, Harold is pretty good reading......Now if you compare the knowledge that you can gain in these forums to that available in most ski magazines you would probably have to send in enough subscription to the mags to cover a pass for every skihill in the U.S.A. I don't mean my opinions at all-just read the advice from the regulars. It makes wrestling the computer away from your kids worth it. In short, Epicskiers are great!
post #6 of 26
I thought Lito's book was fantastic. For those intermediate's looking to improve (who the book is aimed at), it's a god-send, IMHO.

Lito's stance may not be the most modern, but his instruction is awesome, and after you work on some of the stuff he recommend, you'll be a better skier, nearly immediately.

He also has the single best instruction for skiing moguls and powder, I've ever seen. Bar none.

Go get it.

(btw, a lot of the instructors (like above) HATE Lito, because he openly takes pot-shots at the state of instruction-- and instructors -- in this country, and rightly so. Take any "instructor's" word about Lito with a healthy dose of salt).
post #7 of 26
$35? Use the link on the bottom of the page ( Amazon) and get it for $14 and shipping. It is a good book. He has his opinions, but is not dogmatic.
post #8 of 26
Lito? who is he? does he talk about skiing? is he some kind of "guru"?

does he post here?
post #9 of 26
I read the book and it definitely is worth the money I paid for it (less than 35$!). For a lower intermediate the instruction and drills sure do help me. Attention is paid to the difference between older and newer skis and the different techniques required to get the most out of the "new skis".
The info available on epic ski is tremendous but as you may have noticed not always in agreement. There are many ways to skin a cat and sometimes it can be a problem when you mix and match advice. I've heard it said that "he who builds his house according to the advice of many carpenters builds a crooked house". Good Luck! ski doc
post #10 of 26
Disclaimer ... I teach skiing for a living.

This season I have read HHs book, the new APSI manual, currently 2\3 rds through "Breakthrough on the new skis", on the table is the PSIA Core Concepts and new tech manuals (a present from SS, I think they want me to slow down and ski like an instructor ... ha).

EpicSki is also a brilliant source of "technical thought" material AND a brilliant source for understanding all the "confusion" that "appears" to go on in Ski Instruction. (most of the confusion is just words in different arrangement)

My take is that you should read everything you can and you that will find a common thread through all Ski Instruction materials no matter what year or where published.

Big Ski Bum Tip:
Join the library and read the lot for free.

Oz [img]smile.gif[/img]

Read the Cormac McCarthy Border trilogy as well ("all the pretty horses", "the crossing" & "cities of the plain") nothing to do with skiing but a lot to do with life and when skiing is your life a little understanding goes a long way.
post #11 of 26

I echo the posts of others on this thread, that this book is a good read. It is well organized so you can use it after your first reading as a reference guide for a particular problem. My biggest criticism is there is no index,but this is off set partially by excellent summaries at the end of each chapter.

If you go to the "ski shop" on the left side of the home page of epic ski.com, you can scroll to amazon.com and get the book deleivered including S&H for about $18.00 which is about half of the cost of one of those daily lift tickets.

A daily lift ticket is only good for that day, Lito's book will be helping you for many seasons to come. I think that about says it.
post #12 of 26

That's really great.

FYI, I think Litos book is a great read. I for one figured out flexing from Lito, not HH.

Cheers to all of us!
post #13 of 26
I think Lito is a fabulous instructor but I think his first book is awful. I haven't read the second because I thought the first was so bad.

I have two problems. First, I don't find his writing clear; and second, I don't understand how you can write a book on skiing without any pictures.

Ellen Foster's book is ok, but it is a list of exercises, so for that, it's great.

Harb's book is very dense. It is, again, a list of progressions. I found it hard to read.

By far the best book I've read is Warren Witherall's The Athletic Skier. It is very well written, great photographs and excellent points. Read this first.
post #14 of 26

Judging by your comments on the books leads me to believe you take instruction fairly well but reading you prefer more Technical info and visual cues.

Lito talks about skiing, I think, in ways that most non skiers or intermediates would understand. I read his first book very early on and found it quite helpful. You are right however, more pictures would have been nice. The videos to go with them helped. I'm still reading the second book and I do find his reading clear but not very technical.

Ellen Fosters book I found very good but a little too dry... exercises don't help if you can't try them. Great companion video!

Harbs second book I found interesting and too "rigid" and hard to read also. There are also contridictions to his first book and yet he advocates "there's only one path to expert skiing" How can there only be one way if he contridicts himself.

The Athletic Skier was well written however I found that most skiers don't need all the "bio-mechanical" information or don't want it. It's like information overload.

To each their own. I found all the books good in their own way.

Read on.. then go ski!
post #15 of 26
Read the Cormac McCarthy Border trilogy as well ("all the pretty horses", "the crossing" & "cities of the plain") nothing to do with skiing but a lot to do with life and when skiing is your life a little understanding goes a long way.

Amen, Oz. Those are Cormac's most accessible books, and the best place for a Cormac newbie to start. I think that all of his books tell much about the human condition and experience.

My favorite is "Suttree" with "Child of God" and "Blood Meridian" closely following.

IMHO, the movie of "All the Pretty Horses" was too removed from the story. Its only redeeming factor was the tremendously beautiful Penelope Cruz. purrrrrrrrrr...

we now return to the regular forum discussion, perenially in progress
post #16 of 26
Someone here promised an extensive review of this book about 6 months ago, but has yet to deliver.... : :
post #17 of 26
I just didn't find anything meaningful in Ellen's video (oops, I know we're talking about books).

It's like the gliding wedge.

She's real big about using the gliding wedge to lead to carving. Instructors can do it fine. But I tried it - I couldn't do it. I just ended up in the classic wedge. So then I'm thinking, "How can anyone else do this? They probably can't. They just wedge, wedge, wedge, practicing to get to the gliding wedge".

So then I'm thinking, "Why on earth would anyone spend all this time and energy perfecting wedge movements"?

You got me.
post #18 of 26
SCSA: to learn edge control, maybe?

sideslips to traverse
early-edge drills
pivoting on arches while traveling downhill

...all are very useful, yet do not display themselves as an individual ultimate "way to ski downhill"

stirring the pot again, I see
post #19 of 26

Think of some sport you have never tried before that might require skills you don't have. Then think how you might go about it or better yet try it. Then think about all those people that go out one weekend a year with no other skills and the extent of fheir exercise is walking. No balance practice, no skating no muscle strength. Then think what it must be like to try to learn to ski.

Ok. now, the gliding wedge will give you a wider easier base to balance from and done correctly will allow you to learn to feel the edges keep the speed moderate and allow you to ski with a much smaller skill set. For many new comers to the sport this is enough. They don't aspire to be an all mountain pro in 2 years. They just want to see their kids have fun or get out 1-2 times a year.

Now on to your gliding wedge issue..

If you put your feet in a small wedge and try to align your knees out over your toes instead of holding the edge. (it's all about edge control here) then the wedge should glide. Much like the side slip exercises and falling leaf exercises I mentioned in a previous thread. The other thing you can think about is those scarve turns you have been playing with using the same kind of ankle/feet control for your edges you just relax your edges as you glide...

Then using steering first you begin to make turns. Then add edge pressure to the outside ski and you begin to carve. Using the same stance when you start to get on steeper pitches it is hard to hold a wedge of any kind so the skis will generally just naturally begin to match and become parallel.

Done correctly these gliding wedges do not create any "bad movements" but give a better sense of stability for the unbalanced masses of beginners and still afford them the opportunity to ski.
post #20 of 26

You mean people actually listen to what we say?

Wow. That's heavy.
post #21 of 26
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SCSA:
You mean people actually listen to what we say?

You're damned right we do. It is a great place for looking at alternative theories, mainstream theories, practical advice, new ways of thinking about technique, philosophies etc. A really valuable resource.

post #22 of 26
No way am I stirring up this again! "It's all been done".

If you say so.
post #23 of 26
Thread Starter 
wow, thanx for the responses! I definatly am going to get it now, but I'll keep an open mind about it.
post #24 of 26
I pulled out Lito's first book and I still think it's awful. But, SCSA says:

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR> FYI, I think Litos book is a great read. I for one figured out flexing from Lito, not HH <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Can you point me to the pages that gave you such insight to that super technical and very complicated topic of flexing?

post #25 of 26
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WVSkier:

Can you point me to the pages that gave you such insight to that super technical and very complicated topic of flexing?


It's in the few pages just before he demonstrates how to do an abstem.
post #26 of 26
If you've read the book you'd know that there are NO demonstrations, just words and a couple of illustrations.
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