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post #31 of 50
Fox, contact Benny Wax at Inner Bootworks. benny@vtlink.net

Make an appointment to work with him when you're in Stowe. I bet he puts you into a smaller size and grinds or punches out the pressure spots that need it.

Arrive States' side a day or two early to give him and yourself time for the process. You have a place to den up in the days before the ESA East.

I'm thinking of taking one or two days pre-event off from work. Last year I took none (grrrrrrr).
post #32 of 50
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Ghost, do you have Tecnicas? My boot which is 2 sizes smaller is not very tight. Actually, it is quite comfortable. If i wanted a race fit i would have to get it 3 sizes smaller. Why? Because the toe box is longer. Tecnica built a longer toe box to allow the toes to sit flat and articulate. However, this is not the problem. The problem is that the forefoot, mid foot and ankle/heel area are all a medium volume fit. They hold the foot but if you want a true race fit you would have to downsize.

Jamie
No. The technica could fit a lot different from my boots, but then again so would wtfh's feet. I now have Solomon Crossmax-10s in a 27.0, not a race fit, but I still had to get a fair bit of modification done before forefoot was happy (mostly little toe side punching out). My problem is that I have a tiny heel and anlke, but a giant ball and various abnormalities from doing Karate. I used to have Koflach Comp 911s, not sure what size, but the Comp VIP foam liners have an 8 on 'em. They were a race fit.
post #33 of 50
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Is this standing in the shell with toes touching the front and liner removed?

Yes.

(Oh, and when I measured my foot last night, that was without socks.)
post #34 of 50
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Originally Posted by oboe View Post
Fox, contact Benny Wax at Inner Bootworks. benny@vtlink.net

Make an appointment to work with him when you're in Stowe. I bet he puts you into a smaller size and grinds or punches out the pressure spots that need it.

Arrive States' side a day or two early to give him and yourself time for the process. You have a place to den up in the days before the ESA East.

I'm thinking of taking one or two days pre-event off from work. Last year I took none (grrrrrrr).
Oboe, I'm toying with that idea - need to book the flights soon!
But I have the opportunity of getting it done in Footworks too... decisions, decisions...
post #35 of 50
When I first saw this, I really thought it said "......I need new boobs". :

Of course, the subject matter was somewhat of a let down.
post #36 of 50
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When I first saw this, I really thought it said "......I need new boobs". :

Of course, the subject matter was somewhat of a let down.
Perk up and join in. I was hoping to pick up a couple of pointers...
post #37 of 50
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Perk up and join in. I was hoping to pick up a couple of pointers...
LOL!! I'm afraid I have nothing to report, no sightings as of late.
post #38 of 50
Ghost, what shell gap do you consider to be correct for recreational skiing versus race skiing.

My Diablo Fire's shell gap is 15mm (measured in bare feet using graduated sizes of dowel) & I find the boot flexes smoothly when I lean my 200lbs into it.

Dropping a shell size reduced the gap to under 10mm which was just too small for me.
post #39 of 50
I personally went comfort over plug with my choice. I went from a 301 Flexon to a 306 Krypton. I could have gone down to the 294, but I am happy with my fit.
post #40 of 50
...and this year I'm considering a 0mm fit with punching in a new boot (if I get one). Of course, Bob Barnes has a -4mm or so fit (his toes actually curl in the boot!). The real issue is (as RicB has been posting elsewhere) comfortable but solid pressuring around the instep holding the foot functionally against the bootboard. That and the real progressive flex of a higher-quality boot are (IMO) the keys.

I skied top-end boots for years before trying the XTs and Dobies. I can't believe how much better the latter flex. No comparison. Except maybe to a Flexon/Krypton (which have never fit me).
post #41 of 50
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Ghost, what shell gap do you consider to be correct for recreational skiing versus race skiing.

My Diablo Fire's shell gap is 15mm (measured in bare feet using graduated sizes of dowel) & I find the boot flexes smoothly when I lean my 200lbs into it.

Dropping a shell size reduced the gap to under 10mm which was just too small for me.
I'm really not qualified to say what a proper race shell fit is and what a good recreational fit is; my experience extends only to my own boots. But since you ask, I would say about 1/4 inch (8-9mm) shell fit is a race fit, about 1/2 (12 mm) an inch to 3/4 inch (18mm) max is recreational fit, more than that is too big. However it is only one measurement, and it's not the front of you toes that do the skiing. It just starts you with a shell that hopefully has the right dimensions in the other directions to begin work on. I can tell you that if you don't have to cut your toe nails really short, you don't have a race fit, and if the boot fits when your skiing, your toes will touch the front when your walking.
post #42 of 50
Correction about 1/4 inch is 6 - 7 mm.
post #43 of 50
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if the boot fits when your skiing, your toes will touch the front when your walking.
Ghost, i respectfully disagree. Some boots have a longer toebox. My Icon is one of them. Tecnica built a longer toebox because the toes have to sit flat and articulate for good balance. The toes will be warm, comfortable and i don't have to worry about losing toenails. And this is the current trend. I see many new boots which have longer and wider toeboxes. This goes for plugs, too. The Atomic RT Ti has a generous toebox. The Lange WC 150 has a wider forefoot than the old boot. The important thing is the mid foot, rear foot and lower leg hold. And the instep of course because it is responsible for feedback and flex quality. From the first met-head back the boot should be tight fitting. The forefoot must be held properly and allow articulation. So the length is not important. It really doesn't matter if there is 1 mm between the big toe and the shell or 5 mm. There is no need to squeeze the toes into super small boots.

Check out this thread (post #20). Last year i though that a super narrow forefoot is the best. I was wrong!

Jamie
post #44 of 50
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Originally Posted by sywsyw View Post
Ghost, i respectfully disagree. Some boots have a longer toebox. My Icon is one of them. Tecnica built a longer toebox because the toes have to sit flat and articulate for good balance. The toes will be warm, comfortable and i don't have to worry about losing toenails. And this is the current trend. I see many new boots which have longer and wider toeboxes. This goes for plugs, too. The Atomic RT Ti has a generous toebox. The Lange WC 150 has a wider forefoot than the old boot. The important thing is the mid foot, rear foot and lower leg hold. And the instep of course because it is responsible for feedback and flex quality. From the first met-head back the boot should be tight fitting. The forefoot must be held properly and allow articulation. So the length is not important. It really doesn't matter if there is 1 mm between the big toe and the shell or 5 mm. There is no need to squeeze the toes into super small boots.

Check out this thread (post #20). Last year i though that a super narrow forefoot is the best. I was wrong!

Jamie
I concede the point. The reason for getting as short a boot as possible is to get as small a boot as possible so that it will not be too loose somewhere else, not so it will be shorter. If you don't need a smaller boot, then there is no need to get a shorter one. In my case I didn't need a narrower forefoot, I needed a smaller heel and ankle. Boots have to fit in all directions. How much room there is in front of your toes only matters in so far as it is correlated with how big that makes the rest of the boot. It's how the rest of the boot fits that counts.
post #45 of 50
Ghost, you clearly understand how a boot should fit. I thought you are one of those people who believe that the toes should be squeezed to be in the correct size. I was wrong! Sorry about that.

Btw, have you tried the Atomic RT CS? This boot should have a narrower ankle/heel area and a generous forefoot. I have a D width foot (100 mm forefoot width) and i tried the RT Ti. The boot is very tight in the ankle and has a generous forefoot. The CS has the same last but it is wider, especially in the forefoot. Of course, the boot would require grinding and punching in the forefoot but i think it will do a better job of holding your ankle/heel.

Jamie
post #46 of 50
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I concede the point. The reason for getting as short a boot as possible is to get as small a boot as possible so that it will not be too loose somewhere else, not so it will be shorter. If you don't need a smaller boot, then there is no need to get a shorter one. In my case I didn't need a narrower forefoot, I needed a smaller heel and ankle. Boots have to fit in all directions. How much room there is in front of your toes only matters in so far as it is correlated with how big that makes the rest of the boot. It's how the rest of the boot fits that counts.
I think there is another issue concerning length that is often overlooked and that is how the boot sole length affects where the foot is placed over the ski. Moving from one brand with a 321 sole to another brand one size smaller and 17 mm shorter sole length moved my foot forward almost a cm. Sure adjustable bindings remove this advantage, but for those without any adjustment, this is a consideration. later, RicB.
post #47 of 50

So, WTFH

Now that that's been properly muddled, what's the plan?
post #48 of 50
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Now that that's been properly muddled, what's the plan?

Well, I realised at the weekend I needed new liners. Now I've decided on new boots.

So, I've had a chat with a friend in Chamonix, and am going there at the start of november for a weekend - just to get some boots.

Then I'll try to get a couple of days skiing in before the ESA in Stowe, and if there are problems, I'll go to the boot place there.

I think that gives me the best of both worlds - a top Euro boot fitter, time to break the boots in, and the opportunity to go to a great fitter in Stowe.
post #49 of 50
Nice move, Foxy. Try on some Dobermans or the like if you can just to get a sense for the smooth flex. Compare that to any others that you try.
post #50 of 50
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ssh,
I just had a mail from my friend - I'd asked him what he carried:
Atomic, Tecnica, Salomon, Dalbello, Nordica, Lange, Scarpa, Garmont, Dynafit, Head.

Reasonable range!
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