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post #1 of 50
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Originally Posted by ssh View Post
Fox has to ski stiff. He refuses to ski a softer-flexing boot. I still claim that it is the source of much of his lack of flexion. They also seem too upright to me, contributing to his hip location largely behind his feet. Modern boots would help.
Steve, this has got me thinking - I was planning to get new liners this season, but maybe new boots would be a better investment.

Any suggestions for someone who fits into a Technica shape?

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post #2 of 50
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Originally Posted by Wear The Fox Hat View Post
Steve, this has got me thinking - I was planning to get new liners this season, but maybe new boots would be a better investment.

Any suggestions for someone who fits into a Technica shape?
This would be a good question for the Gear Forum.
post #3 of 50
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This would be a good question for the Gear Forum.

Perhaps one of the Patrollers could copy that post over and make a new thread there with a link back to here?
post #4 of 50
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Thanks Trek.

OK, my current boots are Technica Icon Alu Comps.
post #5 of 50
Fox

as someone who has a "tecnica@ foot (but more the older, narrower TNT/XT fit than the later carbons etc) and has been skiing them since the original TNT in 91 (?) I switched to the Nordica Doberman WC late last season and found them to fit my foot well as well as being a huge improvement over my XTs. The 150 gets too stiff fro all mountain but you might want to try the 130 which if I recall is a slightly wider fit and closer to the Icon Alu shape
post #6 of 50
Well Mr fox Hat, I have to say that the Icon Alu Comp is a pretty soft boot...

That said, the fit of the boot could be all wrong. Trekchick mentioned to me that others have said this same thing about th fit of your boots, so you may want to start there - taking into account more than just flex; but the entire design of the boot and size, volume, and fit of the boot. I am also a bit curious what your foot size is compared to the size boot you are in.

My overall suggestion (again with the help of everyone's favorite female moderator), would be to look into an entirely new package of a ski and a boot this year. I read your thread about your new favorite ski, and it made a lot of sense to me (after having skied the GC in a 170 before). The GC is a very very very fun and best of all easy ski to ski on. They have a stiffish midsection that offers a very springy flex but the tip and tail have a nice even flex so they don't abuse you. The tip and tail however really bite into the snow and you end up feeling like you are skiing the entire ski - not just what is under your foot.

If I were you I would look toward those types of skis - something softer and more user friendly that doesn't require you to hit the gas to get to its optimum performance level. The GC makes a nice cruiser ski, but also when you step on the gas you find that you have something there. There are other skis out there that have those same characteristics (Elan comes to mind as one company).

As for your boots, feed us some more information and I will share some ideas with you.

Later

GREG
post #7 of 50
Fox,
When you've done a few of the ski reviews in the past few months, I recall you made a comment on how you thought you'd get more out of one of the skis if you got new boots. I searched for the comment but now can't find it.
There was something specific you said that I can't quite recall now.

How do you feel in your current boots when you ski?
post #8 of 50
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Originally Posted by Wear The Fox Hat View Post
Thanks Trek.

OK, my current boots are Technica Icon Alu Comps.
These boots are workable. They do have some disadvantages (IMO) such as a poorly designed cuff, a thick liner and a poor flex pattern. In fact, the design of the cuff and liner is responsible for the poor flex. Too bad because the boot could have been so much better.

Modifications can be made but i think that you should take them into consideration if nothing else fits better than the lower shell of your boot.

IMO you could consider a boot with a great flex pattern. Many boots flex better than the stock Icon.

The new Tecnicas (Diablo mag) flex better than the Icons but they have a wider forefoot, more forwad lean and feel like slippers.

I love the fit of the Icon's lower. It could have been slightly narrower in the ankle/heel area, but it works very well. If Tecnica would build an Icon's lower with a narrower ankle/heel and design a new cuff (with a relatively thin liner) they would have a winner.
post #9 of 50
I was going to suggest the Doberman 130/110 Pro or the Atomic CS. You might even want to try on a pair of Kryptons. What size street shoes do you wear? While Greg says that the Icon Alu is a soft boot, your don't ski like they are. That may be a function of the flex pattern that sywsyw mentions, especially if they are on the larger size for your frame.
post #10 of 50
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Street shoes are UK10, Euro 44, which is about a US 11.5/12.
post #11 of 50
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Of course, the big dilemma is: where to buy...
Option 1: go to one of the good shops in UK (there only are 2)
2. Go to Footworks in Chamonix (would require a weekend trip)
3. Wait until Stowe ESA and go to a shop there
4. Wait until Aspen ESA and go there.
post #12 of 50
I would wait until Stowe Fox (assuming you will be here for more than just two days). If you end up in a Dobie 130 Pro PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE get them softened... Oh yeah... what is your current boot size? 27.5?
Later
GREG

EDIT: The Technica Race Pro 110 or 130 may also be a consideration... It is higher volume than the Dobie Pro, but similar shape and fit.
post #13 of 50
I think that your foot length to body type and mass may be a big part of the challenge with those boots. What boot size? How many fingers? You're not a big guy... how much do you weight? How tall?
post #14 of 50
With feet that big(same as mine ) aren't you a 28.5 or 29 depending ?
post #15 of 50
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Originally Posted by HeluvaSkier View Post
If you end up in a Dobie 130 Pro PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE get them softened...
The Pro is already softer, but I would agree with this plan.
post #16 of 50
at one time I thought my tecnica icon x boots were the absolute best. for my feet was i ever wrong. some tecnicas tend to but you into a too agreesive froward stance. for me it felt like i was always leaning forward even with skis off. thus putting the hips over the back of the skis to compensate. certaining not stacking the joints. i went to a salomon x wave 10 free. these boots are incredible for me, fore aft stance now centered. friends coomented on how much more effective and natural my stance lokked. my skiing is a lot more effortless. nice about the x waves you can adjust the flex by removing a couple screws. you will notice the difference. screws in i believe they are a 130 flex by salomons scale. Hope this helps the salomons helped me.

regards extremeskier

ps "wear the fox hat" were you part of a group at the caynons utah last year, hiking out of bounds where if you crashed you had to wear a fox hat??
post #17 of 50
WTFH, UK 10 is US 11 (or 11.5) but not 12. Here is the best chart i could find. I hope it helps.

My street shoe is UK 9/US 10/43.2 Euro/28.1 Mondo
Length of my foot is 270mm. IMO you could measure your foot (follow the directions from the website) and then look at the chart to find your size. Then, look at the chart for the width.

If your street size is UK 10, this is US 11/ 44.5 Euro/ 28.9 (let's say 29) Mondo. This means that the length of your foot is aprox. 279mm (almost 280).

My Icon is 2 sizes smaller than my street shoe. It is US 8. I have 1 finger behind my heel (1.5-1.6cm).


Jamie
post #18 of 50
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Originally Posted by ssh View Post
The Pro is already softer, but I would agree with this plan.

Guys, Nordica offers the Dobie Pro 110 which is the same boot. It is an adult model and does not have the lower cuff. The Pro 100 has the lower cuff for women and jr. skiers.
post #19 of 50
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Originally Posted by ssh View Post
I think that your foot length to body type and mass may be a big part of the challenge with those boots. What boot size? How many fingers? You're not a big guy... how much do you weight? How tall?
Foot length? I don't have anything to accurately measure it, but... my foot+ my index finger sideways on fills an A4 page so that's 297mm.
Now, I've just discovered that my index finger is about 2mm narrower than my 60GB iPod (pre video model). So if anyone knows the dims on that, then we've got my foot length!
post #20 of 50
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Originally Posted by ssh View Post
I While Greg says that the Icon Alu is a soft boot, your don't ski like they are. That may be a function of the flex pattern that sywsyw mentions, especially if they are on the larger size for your frame.

That is correct! The Alu is soft and can be softer if you set the flex adjuster in the "Flex" position. The difference is noticeable.

When i tried the Diablo Fire, i forgot that it runs big and i tried it in the same size. The boot was too big but it was not the only problem. The flex was terrible. It was stiff and did not flex well at all. Then i tried it in the next smaller size (3 sizes down from street). The boot felt like a bedroom slipper but the flex was superb. It flexes better than the stock Icon.

IMO if the boot is too stiff and does not flex well at all i suspect there is something wrong with the boot. He could be in the wrong size or it's a defective model. Don't get me wrong, the stock boot's flex is OK but it could have been much better. The problem is with the cuff AND liner. When i replaced the stock liner with a race liner (before i cut the shell and replaced the stock cuff with the XT's race cuff which was bolted to the shell) the boot flexed better.

Jamie
post #21 of 50
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When I'm in my boot there is not enough room for 2 fingers, but there is for more than 1.
Height: 1.8m (just under 6ft)
Weight: 84kg (185lb)
post #22 of 50
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Originally Posted by extremeskier View Post
at one time I thought my tecnica icon x boots were the absolute best. for my feet was i ever wrong. some tecnicas tend to but you into a too agreesive froward stance. for me it felt like i was always leaning forward even with skis off. thus putting the hips over the back of the skis to compensate. certaining not stacking the joints. i went to a salomon x wave 10 free. these boots are incredible for me, fore aft stance now centered. friends coomented on how much more effective and natural my stance lokked. my skiing is a lot more effortless. nice about the x waves you can adjust the flex by removing a couple screws. you will notice the difference. screws in i believe they are a 130 flex by salomons scale. Hope this helps the salomons helped me.

regards extremeskier

ps "wear the fox hat" were you part of a group at the caynons utah last year, hiking out of bounds where if you crashed you had to wear a fox hat??

The Icons have a high ramp angle. This is why you put the hips over the back of the skis to compensate. Your salomons probably have a flatter ramp angle (and less fwd lean). I am glad that you found a winner.
post #23 of 50
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Originally Posted by Wear The Fox Hat View Post
When I'm in my boot there is not enough room for 2 fingers, but there is for more than 1.
Height: 1.8m (just under 6ft)
Weight: 84kg (185lb)
Definitely too big for you, for sure. What's the Mondo or mm? You'll be amazed at how much more progressively a higher-end boot will flex for you. FWIW, I really don't like the flex on those Icons at all.
post #24 of 50
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steve, 28.5
post #25 of 50
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Originally Posted by Wear The Fox Hat View Post
When I'm in my boot there is not enough room for 2 fingers, but there is for more than 1.
Height: 1.8m (just under 6ft)
Weight: 84kg (185lb)
Is this standing in the shell with toes touching the front and liner removed?
post #26 of 50
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Originally Posted by Wear The Fox Hat View Post
steve, 28.5
I guess that's 1 size smaller. For some people 1 size smaller is not too big. But with Tecnica it may be too big. Check out this thread for more info.

Jamie
post #27 of 50
Sounds like you've got the comfort fit, not a race-fit, but it should still perform ok unles you have fat fingers. One size smaller than that would probably need a lot of work to make fit. I went to a comfort fit a couple of years ago and it works well enough for me (size us 10 or 10.5, boots are 27) now that I'm a little less demanding and less willing to put up with the pain and risk of frost-bitten toes.

Do you have custom footbeds? I have found that having the interface of the bottom of your feet perfect leaves you more attention for other aspects of balance. Thinking of your attention as a dollar (or pound or Euro), the less you spend on one thing the more cents you have for something else. I highly reccomend custom footbeds.
post #28 of 50
Ghost, do you have Tecnicas? My boot which is 2 sizes smaller is not very tight. Actually, it is quite comfortable. If i wanted a race fit i would have to get it 3 sizes smaller. Why? Because the toe box is longer. Tecnica built a longer toe box to allow the toes to sit flat and articulate. However, this is not the problem. The problem is that the forefoot, mid foot and ankle/heel area are all a medium volume fit. They hold the foot but if you want a true race fit you would have to downsize.

Jamie
post #29 of 50
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Originally Posted by sywsyw View Post
Ghost, do you have Tecnicas? My boot which is 2 sizes smaller is not very tight. Actually, it is quite comfortable. If i wanted a race fit i would have to get it 3 sizes smaller. Why? Because the toe box is longer. Tecnica built a longer toe box to allow the toes to sit flat and articulate. However, this is not the problem. The problem is that the forefoot, mid foot and ankle/heel area are all a medium volume fit. They hold the foot but if you want a true race fit you would have to downsize.

Jamie
This is true for me. I am a stock men's 9m foot. Tecnica 26.5 (us 7 equiv) has fit me to perfection since 1989 TNT(lime green buckles) Trying to count but probably been thru a half a dozen pairs. Crank em up in the morning and never touch em all day. I use custom footbeds.

I have 3 pair of tecnica tnt explosion 8's one pair nearly done, another pair has about 20 days and the third is unski'd....I consider myself a lucky puppy....I pro formed the last pair in 98 my last season PSIA and haven't touched em...

I dread having to fit into the new tecnica (diablo ) fit...it is not the same from what I hear..

good luck with your quest fox...I might try and hunt down some xt's while they are still avail...have you considered those?

SSH and sywsyw I think are skiing them among others I think...
post #30 of 50
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Originally Posted by hrstrat57 View Post
This is true for me. I am a stock men's 9m foot. Tecnica 26.5 (us 7 equiv) has fit me to perfection since 1989 TNT(lime green buckles) Trying to count but probably been thru a half a dozen pairs. Crank em up in the morning and never touch em all day. I use custom footbeds.

I have 3 pair of tecnica tnt explosion 8's one pair nearly done, another pair has about 20 days and the third is unski'd....I consider myself a lucky puppy....I pro formed the last pair in 98 my last season PSIA and haven't touched em...

I dread having to fit into the new tecnica (diablo ) fit...it is not the same from what I hear..

good luck with your quest fox...I might try and hunt down some xt's while they are still avail...have you considered those?

SSH and sywsyw I think are skiing them among others I think...
The diablo is very different. You would have to downsize to get a good fit.

I love the Icon last, too. It is not perfect, though... The only problem is the ankle/heel area which could have been narrower (but it works well for me). It is very hard to put on. But it skis well and carves well. Yes, you can carve in the Icon .

If you get the XT, you will notice that you can feel the ski and the snow better, the boot will be much quicker laterally than the Icon and it will be unforgiving.
I won't be skiing in the XT anymore because i bought it 3 sizes smaller than my street size (compared to the Icons which are 2 sizes smaller). The XT's race fit offered great performance but i had to give it up because the boot does not have ankle pockets and does not have a deep heel pocket. The boot blocked articulation and sometimes i could not initiate the turn easily. I have no bootfitter to go to. I might go back to the Diablo Race R (the full plug) which has ankle pockets and a deep heel pocket. I don't know if i should call them ankle pockets or not because i have not seen the Atomic RT Ti yet. Jeff Bergeron said that the Atomic has ankle pockets. The Icon shell is great for ankle/heel articulation and the toebox is great for big toe articulation and comfort and warmth.

Jamie
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