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post #31 of 48
11/1/06 at 12:14pm
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Originally Posted by FalseTile View Post
So is the standard pro liner heat moldable or is it only the ID liner?
Just the ID.
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post #32 of 48
11/1/06 at 12:57pm
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Originally Posted by Phil Pugliese View Post
I thought of this as a problem too, but these are heated from the inside out while they are in the shell unlike the old oven methods that we used on Thermoflex and Intuitions.
Wow, that's really surprising. Now I'm wondering if it's actually using the true Intuition Ultralon foam. Come to think of it, the foam on the ID liner wasn't nearly as stiff as Intuition liners usually are (the lower portion, not where the reinforcements on the cuff are glued on). So are they just putting the new Krypton on the "glorified" hair dryer thingies just like most other manufacturers?
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post #33 of 48
11/1/06 at 1:34pm
The impression i got after all the trouble i caused last season was the liner stayed in boot when heated with the hair dryer thinging mcbob..Now this is just an assumption by me Pat Guido ...:
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post #34 of 48
11/1/06 at 1:57pm
skidbump - oh yeah, I remember that you got your hands on a pair of the ID liners last season and ran into problems with the molding process. I guess no one clued you in that the process was going to be significantly different from the old thermoflex methods.

Honestly, the more I thought about how they've changed this makes me wonder how "fully" moldable these new liners actually are. If you think about how a true thermoflex liner changes when enough heat is applied, you can see that there would be no way you could slip your foot into a heated thermoflex liner that's in a boot. The only way to do it is to wrap your foot in the liner like a burrito and slide it into the shell.

So I'm wondering how well the new liners conform to the shell itself along with your feet. Phil? I'd love to see a comparison of the dual-density thermoflex versus the new ID liners.
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post #35 of 48
11/1/06 at 3:13pm
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These are different than the old DD or even the "Christmas" Thermoflex liners that we heated in an oven. Yes these do work with the glorified hair dryer/heat gun type system. When I got mine last year, I tried to heat them in an oven..big mistake. It just did not get the inside hot/soft enough. The ID machine does work well. This liner is also much beefier than the old Thermoflex ones too.
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post #36 of 48
11/6/06 at 7:30am

fit differences

ok so I still haven't made up my mind fully, I'm fairily certain that I'm going to get the pro ID's but the only boot any shops have in my area is the rampage, so my question is, if I fit into a rampage snuggly at a 27.5, should the pro fit pretty much the same way? or will it fit tighter? or after molding the ID system will that fix all the possible problems? basically I don't want to have the shop order the wrong boot for me.
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post #37 of 48
11/6/06 at 9:08am
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Originally Posted by SwitchSki View Post
ok so I still haven't made up my mind fully, I'm fairily certain that I'm going to get the pro ID's but the only boot any shops have in my area is the rampage, so my question is, if I fit into a rampage snuggly at a 27.5, should the pro fit pretty much the same way? or will it fit tighter? or after molding the ID system will that fix all the possible problems? basically I don't want to have the shop order the wrong boot for me.
The Rampage and the Pro have the same fit. The ID liner will be a lower volume than the stock one. Length will be the same. PM me with the shop you are working with please.
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post #38 of 48
11/14/06 at 2:10pm

ID Liner Question

Phil - You stated that the ID liner will be lower volume and you seem to be the local expert on the Krypton, so I have two questions that I hope you can answer. Anyone else is free to chime in. Just so you know, I have feet that are slightly wider than average, larger instep, narrow heel, and I pronate a lot.

I purchased a pair of the Krypton Pro IDs this year to replace my Nordica Hot Rods. The Hot Rods were a good fit after some stretching, except for the instep. I was only able to try on the standard liner prior to purchasing. The fit was pretty good, but would require a little bit of work. The first question is should I stick with the ID liner? I am thinking that I might be better with the stock liner if it gives me more room in the forefoot and instep. I have not molded it yet.

The second question depends on the answer to the first. If I keep the ID liner, do I use my custom footbed? If so, where is it used? I have heard that people who use put in under the liner.

Thanks for your help.
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post #39 of 48
11/14/06 at 2:24pm
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Originally Posted by viva Borracho View Post
Phil - You stated that the ID liner will be lower volume and you seem to be the local expert on the Krypton, so I have two questions that I hope you can answer. Anyone else is free to chime in. Just so you know, I have feet that are slightly wider than average, larger instep, narrow heel, and I pronate a lot.

I purchased a pair of the Krypton Pro IDs this year to replace my Nordica Hot Rods. The Hot Rods were a good fit after some stretching, except for the instep. I was only able to try on the standard liner prior to purchasing. The fit was pretty good, but would require a little bit of work. The first question is should I stick with the ID liner? I am thinking that I might be better with the stock liner if it gives me more room in the forefoot and instep. I have not molded it yet.

The second question depends on the answer to the first. If I keep the ID liner, do I use my custom footbed? If so, where is it used? I have heard that people who use put in under the liner.

Thanks for your help.
Your foot is slightly wider probably because you pronate. Once you get your ankle over your foot, I bet you are closer to average. Your main concern should be getting your ankle and reducing the pronation, I assume the footbed you are using is an Orthotic and not just a Superfoot bed?

Yes, you will be able to use your footbed IN the ID liner.
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post #40 of 48
11/15/06 at 5:00am

Thanks for the help

I am D+ width unweighted. My footbed is a DFP custom footbed. If you mean orthotic that is made by a podiatrist, then it is not.

So do you not think that the volume will be an issue once the ID liner is formed?

Thanks again
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post #41 of 48
11/15/06 at 5:05am
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I don't think it will be a problem. But..what did the boot fitter think? He has seen your foot and probably has a better idea.
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post #42 of 48
11/15/06 at 5:45am
Here's my story on how I ended up in a pair of Krypton Pro IDs:
http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?p=596695
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post #43 of 48
11/15/06 at 1:01pm
I tried to see what the fit was on a pair of '07 Kryptons a week ago, and couldn't get the top buckle within an inch of the slots it was supposed to buckle into, so it appears that wide calves are not its strength. I really like the design concept of this boot, but the fit is way off for me. FWIW, the lower boot felt fine, but I didn't have my footbeds with me.
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post #44 of 48
11/15/06 at 1:18pm
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Originally Posted by FOG View Post
I tried to see what the fit was on a pair of '07 Kryptons a week ago, and couldn't get the top buckle within an inch of the slots it was supposed to buckle into, so it appears that wide calves are not its strength. I really like the design concept of this boot, but the fit is way off for me. FWIW, the lower boot felt fine, but I didn't have my footbeds with me.
No they are not, infact I had to go the other way to make the shaft smaller.
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post #45 of 48
11/15/06 at 2:16pm
FOG, before I had the insole moulded, I was struggling to get it in the first notch. After moulding, and I'm thinking of moving the buckle tighter once it's bedded in!
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post #46 of 48
11/16/06 at 10:01am
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Originally Posted by Wear The Fox Hat View Post
FOG, before I had the insole moulded, I was struggling to get it in the first notch. After moulding, and I'm thinking of moving the buckle tighter once it's bedded in!
I saw the pictures of your legs in the fitting post- you are not in the same ballpark of calf diameter, as mine are at least 50% wider around than yours.
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post #47 of 48
11/17/06 at 7:09am
Phill (and other Krypton guys):

I am vary interesting in Krypton.
The length of my foot is 250 mm (narrow heel and ankle, medium forefoot).
What size you suggest as a starting point?

Ivan
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post #48 of 48
11/17/06 at 7:40am
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Originally Posted by iko View Post
Phill (and other Krypton guys):

I am vary interesting in Krypton.
The length of my foot is 250 mm (narrow heel and ankle, medium forefoot).
What size you suggest as a starting point?

Ivan
Prolly a 24 or 25. I THINK the Mens start in a 24, but not sure. It will also be a bear to find mens shells that small. I would start calling your local Dalbello dealers and see how small they stock Kryptons.
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