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post #1 of 15
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I'm seeking information on state owned ski resorts that are partnered with private development. I'm curious about the details of such a partnership. Is there real-estate development involved in such a partnership? Does the state actively manage the ski/board operations, i.e. lift ticket sales, snowmaking and grooming, facility maintenance, equipment rentals, snow sport schools or does a private management team assume that responsibility? What are the roles and responsibilities between the two partners?

I'm looking for hard information on existing operations, not opinions or conjecture. If you have direct experience or know somebody that does, please post here or PM or e-mail me so that we may correspond.

Information regarding ski areas run by non-profit corporations that coexist with private real-estate development will be helpful also.
post #2 of 15
One would be Mt Sunapee, a state owned ski resort operated by the Meullers(Triple Peaks LLC) who also own Okemo and Cressted Butte. They signed a 30 year lease in the late 90's with the state of NH.

They have increased the business greatly but the state recently prevented them from expanding the terrain and real estate.

Check www.skipressworld.com and www.saminfo.com and, of course, Google should get you some info.

Go over to www.snowjournal.com, I believe a member username jonni contributes there and is an employee of Mt Sunapee. Nice guy, I'm sure if you PM him he would be happy to provide mucho info.

Good luck
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Originally Posted by Laurel Hill Crazie View Post
I'm seeking information on state owned ski resorts that are partnered with private development. I'm curious about the details of such a partnership. Is there real-estate development involved in such a partnership? Does the state actively manage the ski/board operations, i.e. lift ticket sales, snowmaking and grooming, facility maintenance, equipment rentals, snow sport schools or does a private management team assume that responsibility? What are the roles and responsibilities between the two partners?

I'm looking for hard information on existing operations, not opinions or conjecture. If you have direct experience or know somebody that does, please post here or PM or e-mail me so that we may correspond.

Information regarding ski areas run by non-profit corporations that coexist with private real-estate development will be helpful also.
I haven't been there since skiing Mary Jane was poaching OB, but you might look into the details behind WP/Intrawest. Technically city owned and not state. Here's a link that might get you started- http://www.denvergov.com/Winter_Park/default.asp

I doubt you'll find a one-size-fits-all model which covers the arrangements state-owned areas have with developers, but that is truly speculation and not what you're looking for. Good luck - interesting subject.
post #4 of 15
http://www.belleayre.com/

Belleayre in NY is run by the state. I don't know if there is any private money involved in the operation and I don't recall there being any development.
post #5 of 15
I guess you might already be aware of these three, all in PA. Denton Hill is a state park for three seasons of the year, and in the winter it's a ski hill. Blue Knob is the same (3/4 of the time state park, winter it's a ski area).

Montage Mt is the a little different, its owned and operated by the county government (Lackawanna Cty), they are currently trying to sell it off. Part of it's history is it was used to promote development, which included real estate development. It was rather successful in doing so (although not solely by itself). The immediate area of the country where it's located was pretty barren 15 years ago, and now there's lots of business and commercial activities. And a lot of upper end housing build in the vicinity, (but not slope-side).
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Does Camelback also have some kind of ties to the state? I thought it was in a state park.
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Cannon Mt, another ski area owned by the state of NH is considering leasing the ski hill to a private developer
http://www.caledonianrecord.com/page...tory/90c4e9cd5

Black Mt in nw Maine is run by a non-profit organization, the Libra Foundation, a very interesting group.
http://www.skiblackmtnofme.org/
post #8 of 15
http://www.skitheporkies.com/home.html


Porcupine Mtn. in Michigan's UP is in a state park. I don't know the arrangement regarding ski area operation, whether the state runs it or leases it out.
post #9 of 15
IN New York State there at at least three Ski Areas on State Land.
Belleayre mentioned above is owned by the State and operated by the Department of Environmental Conservation. Originally all three were. Since the 1980 Olympics Whiteface and Gore have been operated by the Olympic Regional Development Autority. New York has these quasi private/non-profit Authorities that operate a lot of things that are State owned or "should be" State run. The Thruway Authority, the Port Authority, the Power Authority, etc. Distant enough so they don't come under the same scrutiny as a true state operation, but close enough so they become a job placement for politcal supporters and friends.

I used to work at Whiteface when Ned Harkness was president of ORDA. Except for Ski School I don't think anybody else got a job there that didn't play on one of Ned's college hockey squads or date one of his hockey players.
post #10 of 15
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the leads folks. Keep them coming.
post #11 of 15
Bridger Bowl Mt is a community not for profit org. (at least it was a few years ago).

There is a tiny ski area in Manchester NH, called McIntyre, that is city owned but the ski school and rental shop were owned and run by a local sporting goods shop. This seems to be the type of arrangement you were asking about.
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Does Camelback also have some kind of ties to the state? I thought it was in a state park.
Yes, it's on land in Big Pocono State Park.
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Cannon Mt, another ski area owned by the state of NH is considering leasing the ski hill to a private developer
I pray every night that this never occurs.
post #14 of 15

LHCrazy

The subject Area, of your inquiry is under a State "custodianship"...there was a lot of "subject to" in the agreement, when it went under state control.... many years ago......
post #15 of 15
In WA, Mt. Spokane is in a State Park.

A number of Canadian areas are wholly or partly in provincial parks (not quite the same thing, but similar). Obviously, a great many western ski areas are on "state" land, if you consider you use the more general definition of "state."
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