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post #91 of 119
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Originally Posted by roundturns View Post
I just don't get it. Unless you ski at an area that recieves 250 inches a snow a year, I'm lost understanding the merits of skiing a 80 plus inch waisted ski. Call me a dinosaur but I think a race type carver ski delivers more enjoyment when skiing snow starved, mand made base ski areas. I love fresh snow as much as the next guy , but its the exception rarely the rule for me. I don't even ski my XP's much anymore becaue of the general hardpack conditions. I have a pair of Volant FB's that I think have 5 days on them.
This is the delema.

I often pray to win the lottery, then I buy a ticket.

I pray for snow, so I buy a fat ski.

Might make more sense to buy a narrow, hard snow ski. But I want to ski powder - so something fatter.

Looking at the Bridge, Mantra and also the Mythic Ryder. I wonder if the performance of the Mythic Ryder will be enough coming off the Top Fuel as my regular ski. I understand it to be soft, which would be good in the woods. That could also be dull other wise.
post #92 of 119
Head SuperShape Magnum
Liberty Helix
post #93 of 119
Jer I think you need to install some fin boxes (FCS?) and then you can mess around with different setups on the hill, just like you remember from your days surfing

Maybe we'll see a time when all of us will have a pack of different fins - length, shape, flex patterns......
post #94 of 119
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Originally Posted by spindrift View Post
My .02.

The ski that will create a ton of buzz this year, and will be the trend setter for next year will be the K2 Hell Bent.

Of course I have not skied them yet... But I've talked with some very credible folks who are pretty excited about them after testing them out. And they laid out some good reasons for their excitement.
the Hellbent will be THE ski for those in the know. The best elements of the Spatula combined with the best elements of the conventional fat twins. Those using them will get a lot of questions on the chairlifts which will be answered with a huge smile. They are just incredibly FUN!
post #95 of 119

justso you don't influence the unwashed

I used to buy volkls, explosives are still my crud ski of choice, but have quit on the company since last year. I demo'ed the new Mantra and Gotama and AC4 last spring and have this to say: Volkl has gone for mass appeal and mass profit (chinese Gotamas) at the expense of making anything awesome for a strong skier. The tails on the new Mantra suck a--, and the Gotama is so soft as to be a designated powder ski, which is easy as sh-- to engineer anyway. and since moving to china, has the Gotama gone down in price? The AC4 has way too much sidecut up to the tip, causing the ski to tow you around like a dog on a leash. it is still an advantage to be able to adjust the carved arc by driving through the arc as you chose, shorten or lengthen it to match terraine and make your line work, release the tails as necessary to handle the very tightest spots, no place to hook up and make an arc that Volkl designed in the factory. Just a heads-up for some skiers who I hope will think twice before buying Volkl this year. And, hey, everyone: never buy ANY chinese ski, let's punish them for going there and vote with your wallet, nip this nasty trend in the butt or we're screwed in the long run, and please, no analogies about designer clothing as anyone who cares about that is beneath any serious discussion of ski gear, your life-line on the bad-ass mountains. B-Squad and Legend Pro a much better choice for a strong skier. the rest of the pack can ski anything, anyway. don't be a lap dog.

The
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Originally Posted by Max Capacity View Post
Your in the wrong camp.


Volkl AC4, same as last year.

Let's not forget the women. Burn'in luvs.
post #96 of 119
i would not be surprised if the Progressor creates some buzz as a frontside ski.
post #97 of 119
skis are tools, pick the right one for the job. that being said, avoid popular trends, study the quality of construction, the engineering, and then ski the ski, decide for yourself. now this is a miniscule point, but the AC4, and all skis with a sculpted top sheet (radically raised cap and so forth) are uncomfortable to carry on your shoulder in the extreme, and if you hike an hour or more per day on your local areas boot packs and scree ridges, it will give you a giant f'ing bruise. I know this is nothing about skiing, or is it. You guys out east can ignore this comment as you need the ice ski at any cost, though it still has too much shape for a skier that still knows how to MAKE a turn, old school statement for sure, and I'll hear about it Personally, I'm going with Legend Pro, B-Squad, Stockli, and Blizzard. given that, you can probably surmise that I'm out west. avoid a core made of pure air, and hot air at that.
post #98 of 119
i'm suprised not more than a couple mentioned the impressive new fischer watea line-ups...i personally cant wait to demo the 94s as i have always had great past experiences with their product.
post #99 of 119
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Originally Posted by davluri View Post
skis are tools, pick the right one for the job..... You guys out east can ignore this comment as you need the ice ski at any cost, though it still has too much shape for a skier that still knows how to MAKE a turn, old school statement for sure,
What will you get if you have another virtually snowless winter like last year oh wise one? Apparently skis aren't the only things that are tools.
post #100 of 119
The trend at my mountain will continue to be

Legend Pros
Gotamas
BROS
Atomic Big Daddy
smaller companies
reverse camber skis

davluri I agree that the AC4 is pretty sucky for snowbird but IMO the mantra and gotama are great skis to ski on.

since when does where ski made really atter seriousally at one point in time japan was known for cheap good that didnt last look at that country now.
post #101 of 119
I noticed that the Head Olson Pro got a nearly flawless review in Ski Press. That's on my demo list for groomer zoomer. I believe I can get past the B&W photo of the blond for graphics...
post #102 of 119
The "in" ski will be whatever you mount your Dukes on. Or your NTN bindings, depending on how you roll.
post #103 of 119

nice

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Originally Posted by snofun3 View Post
What will you get if you have another virtually snowless winter like last year oh wise one? Apparently skis aren't the only things that are tools.
you know, for a lot of us, last year was another awesome ski year. oh hostile one, it did help to know how to ski, however, as the mountain was steep and tight. how did I offend you? the east is different skiing and the mega side-cut skis no doubt make sense there. here, that sidecut just hooks up, catches, and bites, and won't run free, so we hate them. you have a problem with that, or what. jeez!
post #104 of 119
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post
The trend at my mountain will continue to be

Legend Pros
Gotamas
BROS
Atomic Big Daddy
smaller companies
reverse camber skis

davluri I agree that the AC4 is pretty sucky for snowbird but IMO the mantra and gotama are great skis to ski on.

since when does where ski made really atter seriousally at one point in time japan was known for cheap good that didnt last look at that country now.
About where a ski is made, we talked that issue into the snow a while back, but my bias was based on the fact that I own a small furniture making business, as as a producer of THINGS my perspective is bent toward a loyalty for the people that have been making the skis for a long time, making money and respect for the ski company. dump them and you dump me. actually, how the ski functions was not even a consideration in my point of view as many skis function quite well, and then you have to make a choice, perhaps an ethical choice. hey, that Mantra is pretty sick, no doubt, and still made in Germany, I think, I hope. woodworker guy
post #105 of 119
I also have skied lots of Volkls in the past. I'll probably ski my Sanouks and Explosivs till the bases wear off. But I won't be buying any more Volkls in the future for one simple reason: Volkl moved thier production to china to cut production costs, right? Then why does a Chinese made 08 Gotama cost as much as a German made 07 Gotama? If it's cheaper to produce in China, it should be cheaper to buy here in the US. In the future I''l go with Head or Rossignol or one of the other Euro manufacturers - or better yet, spend less money and go with a small US company like PM Gear, Moment or Praxis. And (back OT) I think innovative skis from small US companies are gonna be the 'IN' skis for years to come - at least among expert Western skiers.

Plus, like I said in another thread - the Chinese manufacturers can't get toys and dogfood right - I'll be damned if I trust them to make my skis.
post #106 of 119
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Originally Posted by Jer View Post
Plus, like I said in another thread - the Chinese manufacturers can't get toys and dogfood right - I'll be damned if I trust them to make my skis.
You are aware tht the CEO of the toy company went to China and apologized that they provided the wrong spec and blamed the chinese erroneously, right?
post #107 of 119
I actually own 3 german made volkls(outdates P50s, 05-06 Gotamas, 06-07 Mantra) and yes the Mantra is still made in germany. just saying that my one chinese pair of skis K2 PEs have been great as well. even duriability wise they have held up to me.

Where as I have had tons of problems with edges on my austria made atomic caps skis, I hope I dont have the same problem on my austrian made sandwich contruction Thugs.

To replace my ageing gotama the 550 moment ruby are looking better everyday.
post #108 of 119
No need to bash Volkl for producing skis like the Gotama and the AC-40. Those skis are exactly what Volkl intends them to be. Ie: Great skis for their target customers.

Heck...if somebody doesn't like those models, there's no need to complain about it. Buy something else, there's lots to choose from.

BTW....on the China thing and pricing. Volkl can sell as many Gotamas as they choose to build for about whatever they want to charge. Why wouldn't they? I suspect that "for profit" is written somewhere in their business plan.

SJ
post #109 of 119
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Originally Posted by davluri View Post
skis are tools, pick the right one for the job. that being said, avoid popular trends,
The title of this thread:
What is the "IN" ski this year?
Not, "what is the right tool for you this year?"


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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post
The trend at my mountain will continue to be

Legend Pros
Gotamas
BROS
Atomic Big Daddy
smaller companies
reverse camber skis

davluri I agree that the AC4 is pretty sucky for snowbird but IMO the mantra and gotama are great skis to ski on.

since when does where ski made really atter seriousally at one point in time japan was known for cheap good that didnt last look at that country now.
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post
No need to bash Volkl for producing skis like the Gotama and the AC-40. Those skis are exactly what Volkl intends them to be. Ie: Great skis for their target customers.

Heck...if somebody doesn't like those models, there's no need to complain about it. Buy something else, there's lots to choose from.

BTW....on the China thing and pricing. Volkl can sell as many Gotamas as they choose to build for about whatever they want to charge. Why wouldn't they? I suspect that "for profit" is written somewhere in their business plan.

SJ
These two posts are the essence of this thread.
The trend in the industry and the trend on your local hill!

Hmmmm, for profit.....a novel idea.
post #110 of 119
Thread Starter 
one persons vanilla is another persons chocolate. As mentioned, there are quite a few skis that have been mentioned, that hit their target market like a sharpshooter. Just because YOU are not their target market, doesn't mean they are bad skis. Not everyone who posts here needs (or wants) a quiver of skis and they do want a ski that can do most everything.
Remember, we are the lunatic fringe here, the exception to the rule, just because we say it, it doesn't mean that it is the rule. If ski manufacturers made skis just for Epic skiers, they all would be out of business.
post #111 of 119

the In ski now is the ski not well-known enough to be In

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Originally Posted by trekchick View Post
The title of this thread:
What is the "IN" ski this year?
Not, "what is the right tool for you this year?"
you're right, I shouldn't bend the tread. thanks

Aside from that myopic blunder, the IN skis (not the known performers and traditionals, necessarily ) will be the boutique skis, as people are bored of tying their persona to huge companies, projecting an image of the unique individual as identifying with a mainstream ski. The new micro ski companies are far more interesting, with new lengths, shapes, looks - quick development, innovation every year in some aspect, the custom wood top sheets, made-to-order graphics, and draw-your-own top sheets for example. All anti-corporate image stuff. All shout, I'm an individual with new ideas. These companies are at the crest of a wave of popularity and I'm glad to see it as it should help these new micro companies to launch and survive. Best to PM Gear, Moment, Movement, Icelandic and ______, and many other great new brands?(see they could use more press)

[snofun3] about my being a "tool" for saying one had to know how to ski to turn a ski with minimal sidecut, you are right, I absolutely begged to be called a tool right there, and have done that repeatedly, intentionally or otherwise, and frequently to my detriment. It's being blatantly opinionated to amplify a dissenting or unpopular point of view and get a reaction (to the content hopefully, not to me).
post #112 of 119
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post
No need to bash Volkl for producing skis like the Gotama and the AC-40. Those skis are exactly what Volkl intends them to be. Ie: Great skis for their target customers.

Heck...if somebody doesn't like those models, there's no need to complain about it. Buy something else, there's lots to choose from.

BTW....on the China thing and pricing. Volkl can sell as many Gotamas as they choose to build for about whatever they want to charge. Why wouldn't they? I suspect that "for profit" is written somewhere in their business plan.

SJ
Two of my clients owned the company here in the Seattle area that made all the cores for K2 skis and many snowboard companies.

Near the end of production on Vashon Island, they were importing the wood making the wood cores and shipping them back to China.

They eventually closed up both companies 9the Wood import & core producer)

Their comments to me were that the K2 product coming out of china was far superior to what was made here in the US because the labor rate was so inexpensive in china comparatively that they could spend 7 times the amount of labor time to build a pair of skis and still make them less expensive then they could here.

I have never been much of a K2 fan, but I have heard from otheres who are that thier china built product has excellent quality.
post #113 of 119

Phil Disease

Prior to being exposed to Epic and contracting terminal Phil disease, I would change my equipment ONCE every 4-5 years. Now I've bought 5 pair of new skis and two pair of boots in the last 3 seasons !!!!!

My latest "ski of choice" is the Volkl AC40 @ 177cm.

STOP ME BEFORE ITS TOO LATE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !
post #114 of 119
Ooh - they moved the production to China? That means the skis will last longer because of all the extra lead!

The "in" ski - for Volkl what about newer models like the Bridge? Is twin tip continuing to work its way into BC and vise versa? Just wondering about the trends myself ...

By "in" do you mean the cachet of owning a desired ski that few attain or buy (think expensive, like Volkl, certain Atomics) or what will sell the most by volume (think K2PE). Probably depends a lot on the target audience ... are they skiing parks, BC, offpiste, ice coast, all mountain etc.
post #115 of 119
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by falcon_o View Post
Prior to being exposed to Epic and contracting terminal Phil disease, I would change my equipment ONCE every 4-5 years. Now I've bought 5 pair of new skis and two pair of boots in the last 3 seasons !!!!!

My latest "ski of choice" is the Volkl AC40 @ 177cm.

STOP ME BEFORE ITS TOO LATE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !
You're welcome.
post #116 of 119
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Originally Posted by geoff_thoma View Post
i'm suprised not more than a couple mentioned the impressive new fischer watea line-ups...i personally cant wait to demo the 94s as i have always had great past experiences with their product.
its a guess but :"...and now a word from our sponsors....?

PS- I can't wait to get on my 94's......
post #117 of 119
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Originally Posted by locknload View Post
I think the Snoop Daddy and the Mythic will be a hot head to head battle at the 88mm waisted level. Both skis intrigue me as I ski the Legend 8k and love it but need to find a ski in the high 80s low 90s that's versatile. I think I'll demo these as well as the IM88...and perhaps the Watea 94. The Watea line has me intrigued even though I don't have a lot of experience with Fischer skis. Anyone have any thoughts on that.
Don't forget the Elan 888. I liked it better than the Snoop, Mythic, and iM88. I haven't been on the Watea yet.
post #118 of 119
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Originally Posted by falcon_o View Post
Prior to being exposed to Epic and contracting terminal Phil disease, I would change my equipment ONCE every 4-5 years. Now I've bought 5 pair of new skis and two pair of boots in the last 3 seasons !!!!!

My latest "ski of choice" is the Volkl AC40 @ 177cm.

STOP ME BEFORE ITS TOO LATE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !
5 and 2?
That's childs play. You obviously haven't gotten to the delusional part of the fever yet.

Let me know when you get the chills.
post #119 of 119
Granted they were a limited production ski on the initial go around. But keeping with my initial pick on this thread - Hell Bents are merrily stocking out in a number of shops I know of. Not gone yet, but they are looking like a major winner to me.

Granted there are some fine skis in the pack, but I sure don't understand how any conventional midfat or "all mountain" (or any flavor of traditional groomer ski) could rate as the "in" ski this year. IMO they are approaching the "indistinguishable in terms of price and performance" point. In other words, Head, Atomic, Volkl, Elan, etc., etc. all make perfectly excellent (and roughly similarly priced) skis in this class - and thus they are being commoditized. Fundamentally similar designs. Great materials. Construction quality and characteristics that likely would have been unthinkable not all that long ago. Pick your poison & have fun. But nothing even close to making real noise. And probably never again will there be a ski in this class that deserves much ado. One may be a bit better under some conditions. One may be a bit cheaper. In the end, not a huge difference. Just my .02...
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