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Kid in a candy store! I need some help deciding please!

post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 
I am in the market for a new fat all mountain ski. The ski will be better off piste but I will ride it on as well.
I am a male, 28, 160 lbs. Very experienced aggressive skier who travels constantly in the winter. I follow the snow. Been skiing for 25 years.
Here are my choices. I was thinking from a 171 to 176 in size.
All skis will be flat! No binding systems. I am a look p14 lifter rider only!
Demoing is out of the question. No time for that when I am at the mountain! Hell I even eat my luch on the lift. Suggestions are welcome to. But please state why you think the ski will do the job for me please.

Head Monster IM88 (Highly leaning towards this ski)

Atomic Sugar Daddy (2nd choice so far)

Salomon X-Wing Fury (sounds good, the description)

Salomon 1080 Gun

Dynastar Legend 8800 (my pair was stolen)
post #2 of 19
I've been on the 88, and didn't care for it (just me, 100's here have opposing view) as much as the Mojo 90 that I ended up buying for myself. I had Guns, but after they were stolen I went to the 90's and preferred the Mojo. I've also been on the X-Wing Fury, and it is a great ski compared to previous Salomon lines, ie. Scrambler. Here's what I wrote in my feedback after the Salomon demo day about that ski:

"#2 Salomon X-Wing Fury – 180 cm
-Felt somewhat sluggish, slower edge to edge obviously reflective of wider chasis
-Very stable, excelled in long radius turns at high speeds
-Not very responsive at slower speeds
-Rips through crud without any problems, has good float in powder
-Needs a more advanced, powerful skier, especially in 180 length
-Good ski for advanced skiers wanting good stability, and more float in powder while being able to ski the rest of the mountain reasonably well"

The sluggishness was mainly compared to the more narrow X-Wings I had been on already that day, and the fact that I was on 180's. I still prefer my Mojo's, but was impressed by the new Salomons. I also felt the X-Wings weren't quite as apt to full out redline charging, though if you have a more mellow, laid back skiing style then they are phenomenal (Much like Bandits IMO).
post #3 of 19
I'd stick with the Dynastars. The Heads are much more unwieldy in moguls & tight spots. The Guns are a fun ski but no match for East Coast hard pack, let alone ice. Ditto with the Sugar Daddies. The X-Wings are an unknown entity.
post #4 of 19
I would consider the following:

Line Prophet 90/100 (I'm considering the 90's vs. the Legend 8800's)

PM Gear Bro's (I'm getting a pair of these this upcoming season)

Dynastar Legend 8800 or Pro's (I'm also considering)

Rossi B3's (I currently ski these and love them for general purpose everyday ski's).

Rossi B4's for more of a pure off piste/powder ski.
post #5 of 19
I skied the M88 almost exclusively last season, a true one ski to do it all ski. As long as you are strong, agressive and technically solid.

The Rossi B3 might be a good choice, they ski really well and you can relax on them (and they work with P14's).

The Volkl Mantra rips, but is a bit wide for 'all mountain'.

There is a 176cm Dynastar LP (not a one ski quiver).
post #6 of 19
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
There is a 176cm Dynastar LP (not a one ski quiver).
I am not so sure, I think it could be, depending on where and what you ski.
The LP's rail hard pack pretty well and they demolish crud.
I use to bring two pair on all my travel trips. Now I just bring the 194 LP's because I know I can ski them on anything.

Connor:

What didn't you like about the 8800's?

I would also add the Elan 777 to your list.
post #7 of 19
Thread Starter 
SHREADHEAD, There was nothing I did not like about the 8800's. They were an excellent ride. Just that they were stolen, I didn't like that about them. LOL I just wanted to maybe try a different ski.

I have been thinking about the Line line of skis but have never rode them.
Someone who rides the prophet 90 or 100 care to give me some details on it's performance?
post #8 of 19
What about the Volk AC4 - I'm pretty sure that it comes in flat and system versions.
post #9 of 19
Connor, how did you like your 8800s? What size did you have? That will help with my suggestions at least.

The lines prophets are notoriously soft.

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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post

There is a 176cm Dynastar LP (not a one ski quiver).
To concure with SHREDHEAD - for a very aggressive skier that is Connor's size and skill level - I would have to think there can be no more versatile ripper for the whole mountain with the possible exception that the 176 size won't be too bouyant in deep snow.

I'd maybe add the mojo 90 to connors list - but he'd have to sack up to the 186 size.
post #10 of 19
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Originally Posted by X-EastCoaster View Post
I'd maybe add the mojo 90 to connors list - but he'd have to sack up to the 186 size.
But I don't think it really "skis" as long as the length would indicate. It might be a fun one to consider.
post #11 of 19
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Originally Posted by Bob Peters View Post
But I don't think it really "skis" as long as the length would indicate. It might be a fun one to consider.
HEY!! Bob and I agree on something
post #12 of 19
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Originally Posted by X-EastCoaster View Post
HEY!! Bob and I agree on something
Harmonic convergence.

I'm gradually (OH, so gradually) coming to the realization that resistance is futile.

If Head only made a 130mm-waisted ski, I could REALLY join the party.
post #13 of 19
The Bros are a good suggestion. I only skied the prototypes (before the flex was adjusted) but they were a blast, at least until the toe piece of the demo binding flew off when landing off a jump And, they're made by people I like.

The Dynastars rock. And while I've heard the iM 88 are sweet I have not tried them.

YA
post #14 of 19
I'm 5'11" and my weight during last season hovered between 177 and 189 (stayed closer to 185 on average).

I demoed a pair of the Head Monster 88's in a 175 length and was totally over powered by them. They were a beast to turn and felt like super tankers. I had them out at Alpine Meadows on a flurrying powder day.

I ended up with a pair of Mantras in the 177 and have been generally pleased with them. I'm second guessing my binding choice (Marker Titanium 13 Piston) as they seem to have added considerable weight to the skis.

I also rock a pair of Volkl Karmas (177), Blizzard Titan 8 (175) and AK No Ka Oi (180).

You might want to check out the AK King Salmon, which I've read good things about and if it's as nimble as the No Ka Oi, then it should be a solid "all-mountain" fatty (it's got a 94 underwaist, I believe)
post #15 of 19
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by X-EastCoaster View Post
Connor, how did you like your 8800s? What size did you have? That will help with my suggestions at least.

The lines prophets are notoriously soft.


To concure with SHREDHEAD - for a very aggressive skier that is Connor's size and skill level - I would have to think there can be no more versatile ripper for the whole mountain with the possible exception that the 176 size won't be too bouyant in deep snow.

I'd maybe add the mojo 90 to connors list - but he'd have to sack up to the 186 size.
I had my 8800's in a 178. They were an all around killer ski. They loved to go fast and loved to be pushed hard. These skis rewarded me for all out ripping with them. They are extremely stable at high speeds!!! They hold an excellent edge in any condition from easy coast boiler plate ice to pow. The only place I did not like them in was the trees. A little to long for me int he tight east coast trees.
That is why I am going with the prophet 90 in a 172 for everyday riding and the Prophet 130 for all out pow days in a 186. I do alot of traveling around the west coast and these will come in handy. These babys will be a jet ski on the snow with me on them! Going to go ballistic this winter!
And if I ever catch the rat who stole my beloved 8800's it better run for his/her life! Rat thieves should be strung up at the resort! I work my lilly living ace off for my cash and someone steals it like it's no big deal.
That really bothers me.
post #16 of 19
hmmm...I found the 8800's way too soft in the tip....I actually completely overpowered them and found them really out of balance and not able to handle much speed at all...the Legend Pro on the other hand is my favorite ski of all time...

If you want something quicker than the 178 8800 then maybe the 176 legend pro is not the answer...

did you get the prophet 90s? if not I would change my recommendation to the 176 mojo 90 - nice and quick for the trees and definitely a better hardpack/bump ski (for the ice coast) than the prophets will be...apparently this nicely priced ski is the same as the mojo 90 (I'd make sure before pulling any triggers though)...

http://levelninesports.com/head-2006...6cm-p-886.html


as far as your skis getting stolen...yes it sucks but let it go...it won't be the last time some selfish a-hole sticks it to you....karma will get them but don't let it get you too (know what I mean)
post #17 of 19
Thread Starter 
Oh it has been let go the night they were stolen from my porch My mistake for being careless and leaving them out like that.

What is your height and weight? I am 5' 5 1/2" to be exact and 163 lbs. The 8800's handled the speed very well for me in a 178.

I have not purchased the prophet 90's yet. The mojo 90's are definately a decent ski, no doubt. In a 176 would be the ideal size for me.

What makes these better than the prophets. Just picking your brain and I like to hear others suggestions.
post #18 of 19
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Dr. Crash View Post
The Bros are a good suggestion. I only skied the prototypes (before the flex was adjusted) but they were a blast, at least until the toe piece of the demo binding flew off when landing off a jump And, they're made by people I like.

The Dynastars rock. And while I've heard the iM 88 are sweet I have not tried them.

YA
I would love to rock a "stiff" model Bro. But the smallest in 179...right...?... I think is to long for what I am looking for in this ski. My pure powder boards will be 180ish.
post #19 of 19
Connor, I am recommending the mojo90 over the prophet90 simply because I've seen people ski the mojo and I think it would be perfect. It is fairly stiff flexing and snappy but light, quick and tossable - it is good on everything from hardpack to bumps to trees to open pow. I will say I don't know much about the prophet 90 but the prophet 100 and 130 are known to be noodles - if the 90 is similarly soft then it won't give the same type of performance when things firm up. The prophet 90 thread from a few days ago seems to say it is a ripper so maybe it's stiffer than the other prophets - I dunno, I couldn't find any non-partial information about them anywhere on the net.

The bros would be a great ski if you strictly skied out West. The 179s are easy to ski (my wife liked them) but they don't snap quick turns off - they more smear longer radius turns in soft snow with ease. This can be good or bad depending on your style but I think if you want this ski for East Coast trees too then they my be a bit too sluggish edge-to-edge. So you are going to get another dedicated pow ski? For that the bros might be a good option or the 183 gotama.

As far as my experience with the 8800s - I had the 178s which were way too short (I'm 6' 170lb), I had them mounted at their original line (which was way too far forward) and it was my first fat ski so take my experience with a grain of salt - I got them right when I moved out West and I was scared of fat skis - if I got on the 188 with my current fat ski skills I may like them.
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