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post #1 of 24
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They're here!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hats off to Peter, excellent job!
post #2 of 24
Only Atomic, Head (of course), K2, and Volkl are up. I don't really understand why they have taken to making you open a pdf file to get the dimensions and sidecut. Also, I find it irritating that the only thing they have to say about most all of the "race" skis, even the SL9 level, is "racing only, only suited for gates, too much for recreational skiers." The reviews almost seem geared to intermediates. Yes, obviously a slalom ski is demanding, I know that, but when all you say about all the race-ish skis is that they are only suited for gates, that is not helpful. A racetiger GS stock is too much for most masters and recreational racers?! The GS racing is better suited? Come on.... [/rant]
post #3 of 24
But race skis are indeed an overkill for recreational skiers. The problem is that recreational skiers are always trying to convince themselves that they are capable of handling a race ski and hence they are at some imagined "expert" level as a result.

I can handle the Elan SLX Fision Pro. I demoed it last winter and loved it on groomed runs. But I will probably end up on the SL version because I can quickly recognize that the SLX is too much ski. A little like driving a Ferarri to work every day.
post #4 of 24
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I like the PDF feature. It has a lot of data that would otherwise make the page confusing and too jammed with data. You can also print this out.
post #5 of 24
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Originally Posted by doublediamond223 View Post
the SL9 level, is "racing only, only suited for gates, too much for recreational skiers."
I saw this as well... Made me wonder what they would have said about the SL12 ! My guess is that Peter Keelty thought that anybody who deserves to be on a real race ski would be either told what they're going to be skiing on or they'll have the ability to demo pretty much everything to find out what's fastest for them.
post #6 of 24
I'm beginning to wonder if people with racing experience cannot relate to people who have never raced, but still like to ski fast outside the race course. Is it just that they are afraid to advocate reckless skiing in these days of political correctness?
post #7 of 24
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Actually, its a compliment to racers who should have specific sets of skills for specific disciplines. You won't see recreational (non-racers) skiing as if they were actually skiing gates or in a downhill position with hands in front and tucked skiing every run balls to the walls. I think Peter and the reviewers (Peter has about 100 reviewers) are paying attention to the advanced and specific needs of racers. I do agree with your last statement about being told or having the ability to test everything on the rack and then have it fine tuned.
post #8 of 24
I don't think these ski reviewers know how to adequately relate to the average recreational skier. Just look at the quantity and quality of the ski reviews of any magazine. Powder is a joke. Ski is filled with analogies and BS. Skiing is the same. Ski Press, lists 7 or 8 categories and rates the ski on a subjective 100 point scale with a few descriptive lines, so at least they are trying. Personally, I think knowing how a particular brand of ski is made and what it's design purpose is, i.e., race, groomer, off-piste, powder is enough to get you pointed in the right direction. Any expert skier is going to have a pre formed judgement about skis and it comes down to demoing to find the one that suits you best. It's the average recreational skier that might find the reviews of any dubious help.
post #9 of 24
Thread Starter 
FYI- Peter has posted how the reviews are conducted. Essentially, they have ski shops to test whatever skis they want to and submit the cards. The count is tallied and the order of reviews is based on the number of skis from each brand tested. So volkl was #1, Atomic #2, head #3 and so on.
post #10 of 24
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Originally Posted by KevinF
I saw this as well... Made me wonder what they would have said about the SL12 ! My guess is that Peter Keelty thought that anybody who deserves to be on a real race ski would be either told what they're going to be skiing on or they'll have the ability to demo pretty much everything to find out what's fastest for them.

My point in this was that the SL9 is a noodle, and doesn't mesh with their characterization of it. It is no stiffer than the vaunted supershape.
post #11 of 24
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My point in this was that the SL9 is a noodle, and doesn't mesh with their characterization of it. It is no stiffer than the vaunted supershape.
In the past Peter has rated it as a great all around ski so I'm not sure why the new one is any different.

Also, I agree completely about the lack of sidecut measurements. It was great to have that info right with the review so you knew what kind of ski you were reading about.
post #12 of 24
good to see the voice of reason in ski reviews
post #13 of 24
I think the variety of different radii and sidecuts for the different lengths of each model is the main culprit behind the switch to a seperate pdf. It's a little more informative than just the radius of one length being given.
post #14 of 24
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I think the variety of different radii and sidecuts for the different lengths of each model is the main culprit behind the switch to a seperate pdf. It's a little more informative than just the radius of one length being given.
You may be right and its a valid point. But, without seeing the waist width and the radius for the size tested I have no idea what type of ski it is. At least before I could look and see that it was a 18m radius and move down to the next one because I wasn't interested in anything over 14m.
post #15 of 24
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You may be right and its a valid point. But, without seeing the waist width and the radius for the size tested I have no idea what type of ski it is. At least before I could look and see that it was a 18m radius and move down to the next one because I wasn't interested in anything over 14m.
Agreed.

Especially in the case of powder skis, waist width is essential. Without that information, people really have no idea whether it is a heliski-bottomless-only ski, or a jay peak tree ski.
post #16 of 24
The -other- thing that would be fantastically useful on that review interface is to be able to select skis for side-by-side comparison, say Supershape Speed and Ripstick.
post #17 of 24
Thread Starter 
there used to be a comparison feature. I don't think it's there now. I do see where it would be useful to see the dims on the size tested and then you could always bring up the PDF to see the others. I agree. I will e-mail Peter and ask if he can add that.
post #18 of 24
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The -other- thing that would be fantastically useful on that review interface is to be able to select skis for side-by-side comparison, say Supershape Speed and Ripstick.
Agreed. I have opened two windows and shrunk them to fit one over the other. It would be best if they kept the dimensions for one length on the main page and still had the link for the others.

Some recreational skiers crave the high speed, high g performance of a race ski, and are willing to put up with the limitations imposed by it.

I see a trend of "selling" a softer gentler race ski as being "full-on racing" in order to properly service developing racers/skiers who otherwise would self-select the wrong ski. Now they buy the appropriate ski, thinking it IS the full-bore race machine and are happy.
Ah, the games people play.
post #19 of 24
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Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
I see a trend of "selling" a softer gentler race ski as being "full-on racing" in order to properly service developing racers/skiers who otherwise would self-select the wrong ski. Now they buy the appropriate ski, thinking it IS the full-bore race machine and are happy.
Ah, the games people play.

Absolutely true, but this is the same for all skis. level 5-6's with metron B5's or SuperSpeed's
post #20 of 24
Thread Starter 
Ok, I jsut heard from Peter, once the reviews are up, he will add the dims for the skis tested. It's just easier that way. he said it would take about a day to change the reviews up already and he really wants to get the rest up. Good ideas!
post #21 of 24
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Originally Posted by doublediamond223 View Post
My point in this was that the SL9 is a noodle, and doesn't mesh with their characterization of it. It is no stiffer than the vaunted supershape.
The following applies to the 05 SL9 (not sure how much its changed for this year). I wouldn't characterize the SL9 as a noodle...rather is a nice detuned slalom. I have a friend that is 220lbs and he skis on the 170cm SL9 when we are ripping up groomers (his main is a 172cm Metrom B5). I also ski the SL9 in a 170cm along with my 170cm Supershape. BTW, I do agree with your comment that the SL9 is not stiffer then the Supershape, in fact I think its a bit softer and easier to ski.

Does anyone know if they stiffened it up for this year?
post #22 of 24
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Originally Posted by Max_501 View Post
The following applies to the 05 SL9 (not sure how much its changed for this year). I wouldn't characterize the SL9 as a noodle...rather is a nice detuned slalom. I have a friend that is 220lbs and he skis on the 170cm SL9 when we are ripping up groomers (his main is a 172cm Metrom B5). I also ski the SL9 in a 170cm along with my 170cm Supershape. BTW, I do agree with your comment that the SL9 is not stiffer then the Supershape, in fact I think its a bit softer and easier to ski.

Does anyone know if they stiffened it up for this year?
Agreed. My comment was in comparison to a real slalom ski, much less race stock. I found the SL9 to ski similarly to the MB5 on groomers.
post #23 of 24
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post
Ok, I jsut heard from Peter, once the reviews are up, he will add the dims for the skis tested. It's just easier that way. he said it would take about a day to change the reviews up already and he really wants to get the rest up. Good ideas!
But I hope he leaves the PDFs up as well. I'm glad all the tech info will be included with the reviews as in past years. But those PDFs are a great resource which I hope will stay available (e.g., for sorting through demo options when travelling, or future eBay activity).

As always a great resource, thanks Peter if you're reading this!

PS - how do people like the "technical" / "tactical" categories?
post #24 of 24
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yes, he's leaving the PDF's. He's jamming right now on a whole bunch of brands, Here's what he said "I expect to finish Rossi, tomorrow or maybe Friday, Nordica. Blizzard, Dynastar, Elan, Fischer, Goode and Armada
(which I notice I've left off the temporary link list) follow over Labor Day
and into the first part of the week." I don't think he'd mind me posting this.
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