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post #61 of 76
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Originally Posted by KevinF View Post
This quote reminded me of something I've seen in various helmet-debate type threads over the years. How many of you think you engage in riskier behavior then you otherwise would because you're wearing a helmet? i.e., "now that my head is protected, I can ski 10mph faster, huck larger cliffs, etc."
No difference for me as far as I can tell. Those who have skied with me may comment, of course.
post #62 of 76
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Originally Posted by KevinF View Post
This quote reminded me of something I've seen in various helmet-debate type threads over the years. How many of you think you engage in riskier behavior then you otherwise would because you're wearing a helmet? i.e., "now that my head is protected, I can ski 10mph faster, huck larger cliffs, etc."

I know that I'm guilty of somewhat risker behavior ever since I joined the helmet wearing crowd -- i.e., I'll get closer to the sides of the trails, ski faster, etc. On warm spring days I'll usually just wear a baseball hat and my risk-taking goes way down on those days.
the only difference I have experienced is in the trees. I find myself being more adventurous and simply putting my head down to bust through small branches that I wouldn't have done wiht a hat on.

this is my first year wearing one. I bought one just to be able to clinic and teach in the terrain park. But being a creature of habit, I forced myself to wear it all the time, otherwise I think it would have ended up gathering dust in the locker room. Truthfully, I would rather ski without one. later, RicB.
post #63 of 76
I dont do bumps nor trees, I like wide open areas so I can rip...but I am certainly more confident with the full face helmet...I know at the speeds I ski that helmet isnt going to do squat if I hit a hard object.

That being said my helmet has saved my head and face a few times. Once on a nasty spill, where I must have been doing about 50mph, (Racers Edge at Hunter) even snapped my carbon pole; it was all ice and rocks. The other times have been on the lift, Ive been whacked by the safety bar 3 times, and last season while trying to help a kid that was having a hard time getting off the lift, the lift bench hit me on the side of the face/head, if not for the helmet it would have been very ugly, hospital and stiches for sure.
post #64 of 76
Like RicB, only clearing branches, otherwise more cautious than when I was young and helmetless. "No Fear" ain't me after some injuries on ski and more recently bike. Head injury is the least of my worries while skiing. The helmet is just what I wear on my head. To fit in, fashion forward at one point, now old hat. Oh sorry, did I use that one already...

Unlike RicB, I would not rather ski without. The helmet doesn't bother me. Nothing bothers me when I'm skiing unless my feet start to hurt real bad or I'm getting frostbit. Or I just broke a bone or I popped a ligament, or bloodied my nose, or bad sunburn. or burial by avalanche, etc., ...
post #65 of 76
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Originally Posted by XJguy View Post
I dont do bumps nor trees, I like wide open areas so I can rip...but I am certainly more confident with the full face helmet...I know at the speeds I ski that helmet isnt going to do squat if I hit a hard object.

That being said my helmet has saved my head and face a few times. Once on a nasty spill, where I must have been doing about 50mph, (Racers Edge at Hunter) even snapped my carbon pole; it was all ice and rocks. The other times have been on the lift, Ive been whacked by the safety bar 3 times, and last season while trying to help a kid that was having a hard time getting off the lift, the lift bench hit me on the side of the face/head, if not for the helmet it would have been very ugly, hospital and stiches for sure.
I've snapped my carbon poles several times in ugly falls, they aren't as sturdy as we'd all like to believe.

I've been told that it is best to take a slalom chin bar off of one's helmet when not actually training slalom, because it can result in neck injuries if you faceplant while wearing it. I wonder if the same thing applies to full face helmets?
post #66 of 76
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Originally Posted by ssh View Post
No difference for me as far as I can tell. Those who have skied with me may comment, of course.
I haven't seen you without one, but you were efficient and in control at all times with one, at any speed.
post #67 of 76
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Originally Posted by doublediamond223 View Post
I've snapped my carbon poles several times in ugly falls, they aren't as sturdy as we'd all like to believe.

I've been told that it is best to take a slalom chin bar off of one's helmet when not actually training slalom, because it can result in neck injuries if you faceplant while wearing it. I wonder if the same thing applies to full face helmets?
I have heard and discussed the same thing, but my argument is that for the slight chance that the added facial protection may result in a neck injury I think the safety factor out weighs it. Look at it this way, professional motocross racers and jumpers are in dirt with consistency similar to our snow, but they usually are going much faster and carry more impact force than us (speed, height in the air, weight of bike), yet I don’t think any of them would even think of competing without a full face, nor do I ever hear of a neck injury due to the full face helmet. I think that for young children whose necks are not very strong it might be a valid argument, but for an adult the benefits outweigh the risks (my opinion). Also even with a full face there is still enough play fore and aft so that if one were to face plant the helmet moves back enough to absorb the impact without adding much to forces induced by the leveraging of the frontal protection.
post #68 of 76
Skiing had an interesting statistic in their gear guide regarding helmets: 40% of snowsports participants wear helmets. 48% of the snowsports fatalities in the last few years have been wearing helmets. I'm not sure if that factors in avy deaths, but its a little disproportionate. Add to that the seemingly unceasing reports of how helmets only do an ounce of good at low speeds (is 12 mph the standard now?), and I'll only be wearing mine in rocks and the race course this year. Its too unwieldly to bother with everywhere else for the minimal safety it provides.
post #69 of 76
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Originally Posted by Takecontrol618 View Post
Skiing had an interesting statistic in their gear guide regarding helmets: 40% of snowsports participants wear helmets. 48% of the snowsports fatalities in the last few years have been wearing helmets. I'm not sure if that factors in avy deaths, but its a little disproportionate. Add to that the seemingly unceasing reports of how helmets only do an ounce of good at low speeds (is 12 mph the standard now?), and I'll only be wearing mine in rocks and the race course this year. Its too unwieldly to bother with everywhere else for the minimal safety it provides.
I dont recall where I read something similar, may have been same article, but they mentioned that the reason the numbers seem to work against wearing a helmet are twofold. For one the perception of safety while wearing a helmet encourages people to take more risk (I can attest to that). Another reason for the skewwed numbers is that most people involved in extreme skiing also wear helmets....now if youre hucking off a 120ft cliff or doing 100mph down a mountain nothing short of a stuntman's air filled landing cushion is going to save you if you make a mistake.

My girlfriend who is a novice, does not wear a helmet and she probably will never hurt herself on the bunnyslope...before my need for speed I felt fine cruising slowly with no helmet.
post #70 of 76
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Originally Posted by XJguy View Post
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My girlfriend who is a novice, does not wear a helmet and she probably will never hurt herself on the bunnyslope...before my need for speed I felt fine cruising slowly with no helmet.
So, no one skis out-of-control behind her on the bunny slope?
post #71 of 76
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Originally Posted by icanseeformiles(andmiles) View Post
So, no one skis out-of-control behind her on the bunny slope?
Im sure they do, and this is what I tell her....but getting her to heed to my advice is a different animal : Better to look good than to feel good I guess.
post #72 of 76
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Originally Posted by Takecontrol618 View Post
Add to that the seemingly unceasing reports of how helmets only do an ounce of good at low speeds (is 12 mph the standard now?), and I'll only be wearing mine in rocks and the race course this year. Its too unwieldly to bother with everywhere else for the minimal safety it provides.
I've heard the same thing -- i.e., that helmets only do "guaranteed good" at slow speeds. I've heard the same things about bicycle helmets -- i.e., no helmet is going to save you during a 50mph bicycle crash.

What I've never really heard good numbers about is this -- is it that the helmet doesn't really do much good in high-speed crashes, or is it that the helmet protected your head just fine but the rest of your body is so wrecked from your crash that you're still in a lot of trouble, medically speaking?

My uneducated guess (from looking at the thickness of ski and bike helmets compared to motorcycle helmets) is that they really don't do much of anything at high speed, but I don't know if the numbers really support that conclusion.
post #73 of 76
My helmet is the most comfortable hat that I have ever worn -- there are plenty of ways to make adjustments for temperature. I know that nothing will help me in a high speed collision, but I sure have saved myself some k-bonks from branches skiing through trees. And oh yeah: being a klutz, I occasionally get my head banged by the chair lift while I am loading -- believe me, the helmet helps here. Alot.
post #74 of 76
Helmet info in general with a long section on ski helmets, scroll down towards the bottom. http://www.helmets.org/other.htm
post #75 of 76
I never leave the driveway on my mountain bike without one, and I don't ski without one either. I got tired of race gates cracking my goggle lenses (I know, you're not supposed to go through them head first ).

Hubby took a tumble while training at Nub's Nob 2 years ago that knocked him out and gave him a concussion even with the helmet. We figure that without the helmet he'd probably be dead, and I'd be bummin'.
post #76 of 76
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Originally Posted by volklgirl
I got tired of race gates cracking my goggle lenses (I know, you're not supposed to go through them head first ).

Hubby took a tumble while training at Nub's Nob 2 years ago that knocked him out and gave him a concussion even with the helmet. We figure that without the helmet he'd probably be dead, and I'd be bummin'.


I get hit in the face with gates too, I feel your pain.

Your husband's fall sounds eerily similar to mine, see above posts.
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