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Scarpa Tornado 05-06 vs. 06-07

post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 
Copy of my post from the gear section:

I'm interested in the Scarpa Tornado. I'm not sure it even fits but it definitely has most of the features I'm interested in for a hybrid Alpine/AT boot. Backcountry.com has a sizeable stock of last year's model at $345 - seems lik a very good price. They also allow returns so I can return the boot if it doesn't fit.

I called Scarpa in Boulder to learn about the difference between last year's and this year's new model. The 06-07 new model has Pebax plastic instead of PU and is supposedly lighter and stiffer than PU, with better flex consistency as temperature lowers. It also has a relocated shell piece (which had a problem of breaking off in the previous model) under the ankle buckel strap.

I am tempted to wait for the new one and see what I can work out in terms of a good price. As the wholesale for this boot is about $390 with retail in the low $600's I will certainly pay significantly more no matter how good of a price I can negotiate.

Any advice or suggestions?

Also, any comments on fit? I have skied both 26 and 27 ski boots. I have a very low arch, narrow, low volume foot. Also, if I do get this boot I may have to mold the liner on my own (something I have done before). Anyone have an experience with this Scarpa thermo-moldable liner?
post #2 of 15
The price-improvement compromise would seem to depend on personal preferences, but either way, be aware that the sole has only partial rubber and absolutely zero rocker. When I tried it on in a store (only available size was way too big, so no feedback on fit, sorry), the ski flex seemed at the very upper end of the AT range as intended, and the walk flex seemed quite adequate for skinning, but the outer sole is going to be miserable for any kind of off-snow travel.
Otherwise, the new Garmont Endorphin looks like a nice improvement of the Adrenalin - just don't hope for a quick changeover from rockered vibram sole to alpine downhill DIN sole (i.e., lots of screws to remove and reinstall). Also two other big boot options with Dynafit (but not alpine downhill binding) compatibility: Scarpa Spirit 4 and Dynaft Aero Freeride.
post #3 of 15
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the input. I fly to ski, so I'm limited to one pair of boots. Currently I tour with my alpine boots. I would like to find a boot that will tour a bit easier but serve as my alpine boot as well. It seems to me that if you want a DIN compatible boot (which I do) you are going to have to accept a flat sole. Even the partial rubber on the Tornado's sole will be an improvement over my current alpine boots when I have to climb on rock.
post #4 of 15
I agree that the Tornado will certainly be a huge improvement over touring with alpine downhill boots. Whether you'll find it acceptable for all your lift-served skiing out west, hard to say - all depends what kind of boot you're coming from, your foot shape, and also how much you weigh. (I use Dobermanns for all my lift-served skiing out east, but for western trips I just bring my Matrix AT boots -- far softer then the Tornado, even with retrofitted Flexon tongues -- along with a Dynafit setup for backcountry days and a Diamir setup for lift-served & "sidecountry" days. I weigh only 145 lbs though.)
The Endorphin and Adrenalin are still the only other boots compatible with both the AT and downhills DINs. For a western trip that was mixed touring & lift-served, you could just keep the downhill sole affixed, using them in both AT bindings (either Naxo or Diamir) for touring days and downhill bindings for lift-served days. (Alternatively, switching the soles back and forth each evening might take only 15 minutes or, but still...) Then if you have a western trip later in the season that was purely backcountry, you could use the AT soles.
post #5 of 15
Thread Starter 
Thanks Jonathan, more good points. I did try on the Adrenaline last year. It it didn't fit that well (I think it was a bit to volumnous for my low volume foot). Also, it seemed too soft for full time alpine use (but I only tried it on in a store). I am only 150 lbs. so we are in a similar position in that sense.

My eventual goal would be to have an alpine/AT hybrid boot and a lightweigth AT boot (with a Dynafit setup and skis). Right now I take 2 pairs of skis, one a B5 and the other a freeride setup (currently a Pocket Rocket but hopefully switching to a Snoop Daddy this year). It will be hard to know if the Tornado will satisfy the role I envision for it but first I've got to check out the feel and fit of it.
post #6 of 15
I currently do my alpine skiing in the AK backcountry . I am looking for a boot that will hike/tour/snowmachine better than my current boot: the Raichle Flexon Comp with the soft tongues. I have a low volume foot and enjoy the even forward flex but lateral stiffness of this boot. I am convinced that the ride scarpa/vibram rubbers sole will provide a noticeable increase in traction for hiking and sticking to my running boards. Any comparisons between these two boots would be welcome. I also am leaning toward the 06/07 model for the improvements mentioned by Si.
post #7 of 15
Broskier- I also ski the Flexons for inbounds and have a low volume foot. You may find the Scarpas are too wide, especially in the forefoot, but also in the ankle. I ended up with a pair of Lowa Strukturas, but tossed the stock liners and put Thermofits in instead. They still required a bit of fitting to tighten up the heel pocket for me. These will not work in alpine bindings, however. I understand the latest iteration of the Matrix may be lower volume than the ones that I tried on about 2 years ago (new liner?). Do you need alpine binding compatibility?
post #8 of 15
Thanks for the fit analysis, I was curious about this. Unfortunately I do require alpine binding compatibility. I was planning on trying the tornado on before making a purchase so I'll have to wait and see if it is compatible with my foot.
post #9 of 15
(Hi Jonathan)

As a different slant on this discussion. Last season, I skied in Scarpa T2Xs with Silvretta Easy Go bindings (and tele) this past season for my one boot for all purposes approach. The Easy Gos will work for any boot type and are light. Despite the 3-buckles vs the Tornados 4, I was very impressed with the performance of the T2xs and bindings under all conditions, including steep bumps and heavy crud.

I have a narrow heel and the liners and boots formed very nicely and are nice and light. Like computer hardware, often, if you buy behind the new and 'improved curve', you can save some some substantial cost on some still very capable gear and be substantially satisfied.
post #10 of 15
Can anyone offer comparisons between the Scarpa Tornado and the Crispi Diablo?
post #11 of 15
Somewhere I wrote a review of the Tornado. Here it is:

Flat out the best single piece of equipment I own.
post #12 of 15
Admittedly, the closest I've ever gotten to any Crispi AT boot was passing a pair in a rando race (plead the fifth as to how I got behind them in the first place), but I think the Diablo is aiming toward a much different target skier than the Tornado, which granted is about the same weight as the Diablo, yet has a boot sole that is fully compatible with regular alpine downhill bindings at the expense of no rocker. (Despite the lack of rocker, I was impressed with the Tornado walk mode, though that was just on an indoor carpeted surface.)
So overall, from what I've read in Backcountry, Couloir, and Skiing, Diablo seems to be roughly comparable to GRide, Rodeo, Denali (i.e., non-Dynafit compatible fairly stiff and tall boots), whereas the Tornado is competing with (though taking a different approach than) the Adrenalin and Endorphin for boots that work in all alpine bindings (but for Dynafit TLT).
post #13 of 15
Actually, I'm looking at using the Crispi Diablo in an alping binding. I understand that this is not what they are inteded for due to the rubber sole interaction with the AFD, but I really prefer not to lose my ski anyway (i ski the line prophet and don't have brakes wide enough to make a difference).
Can anyone tell me flex wise how the Diablo stiffness would compare to say a raichle flexon or other perfomance alpine boot? I like the idea of a rubber sole with the bellow for traction and maneuverability while snowmachining and hiking to my line. Also I have a narrow foot profile and from what I've read the Tornado's are fairly wide.
post #14 of 15

AT Boots in Alpine Downhill Bindings

I know I can't dissuade you from your plans, and I know this has already been discussed extensively at every website ski forum, but please torque test whatever setup you get so you can at least fine tune the release setting to partially compensate for the added friction. (I still have very bad memories of waiting at the Alpine Meadows six pack to meet up with a college kid I used to coach: he never showed up -- and wasn't able to ski again for another year or so -- because the ski patrol was sledding him off the mtn after he fell and his Scarpa Laser did not release from a Look/Rossi binding.)
post #15 of 15
Originally Posted by Jonathan Shefftz View Post
I know I can't dissuade you from your plans, and I know this has already been discussed extensively at every website ski forum, but please torque test whatever setup you get so you can at least fine tune the release setting to partially compensate for the added friction. .)
Amen. The rocker sole will require higher heel dins. The toe din will vary with how much forward pressure you have on those vibram lugs. Why not just use beartraps?
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