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post #1 of 13
Thread Starter 
Just heard this on the Beeb...

The International Skating Union is on the verge of completely overhauling the system of judging in figure skating and ice dancing.

ISU president Ottavio Cinquanta has submitted a set of proposals which include replacing the infamous "6.0" method of analysing performances with positive awarding of points to skaters.

In the wake of Skategate, the scandal surrounding alleged vote-rigging in the pairs final at these Olympics, Cinquanta also announced that the number of judges could rise from nine to 14.

And for any decision, a computer would randomly select the opinion of only seven of those judges to form the final result.

The proposals are not yet set in stone, but the ISU council could approve them for final ratification at the ISU's next congress at Kyoto in June.

An impassioned Cinquanta insisted they would be good for the future of figure skating.

"I promise you this new, simple system would minimise the possibility of bloc judging and voting in future," he declared.

"This system would basically work in the opposite way to how it does now.

"There would be no deductions, but points would instead be added as elements are performed on the ice.

The new system would produce a total score, combining points based on a difficulty rating of moves performed by the skaters, with an interpretation mark from judges on how well those moves were executed.

"Judging has been based on the '6.0' system for over 80 years, but in my personal opinion, it was time for something new.

"I was authorised to submit proposals to our council, and though the ISU is a somewhat conservative federation, it was unanimously in favour.

"I am very glad and proud there was an enthusiastic response."

Cinquanta also said that the internal commission investigating the result of the pairs final, and the action of suspended French judge Marie Reine Le Gougne, is still ongoing.

He confirmed she had told him that there "had been pressure on her from the French Federation to vote for the Russian pair".

But he insisted that had "not necessarily been the reason" why she had voted for Elena Berezhnaya and Anton Sikharulidze ahead of Canadian duo Jamie Sale and David Pelletier.
post #2 of 13
Some new rules:

All men competitors to wear Carhart work gear

All women competitors to wear french maid outfits without fake tan body suits.

All competitors to wear Goth makeup.

Limit of one can of hairspray per competitor.

If a competitors arse hits the ice they are out of the competition.

Hankerchiefs to be kept in a pocket and not tied around the waist.

Oz [img]smile.gif[/img]
post #3 of 13
Thread Starter 
Two things:
1. You just took a serious article, and turned it into a joke. I am appalled.
2. There was no mention of underwear, is it now banned?

post #4 of 13

1. Sorry I was mistaken but I thought your post was about ice dancing.
2. Underwear would be the full suspender job inc. fishnets. - guys included.

just imagine all that Goth makeup combined with the Abba hairstyles and the hint of fishnets ..... the judges would have a hard time hiding their persuassion.

"hello boys" on ice and "guns in pocket" behind the judging bench.

Mate it is back on AGAIN. I swear this lot sleep in a crypt. Someone open the skilight so we can enjoy the flameout. You don't see ballroom dancing in the summer Olympics so why do we have to endure this tripe in winter.

Oz [img]smile.gif[/img]

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ February 18, 2002 06:42 PM: Message edited 1 time, by man from oz ]</font>
post #5 of 13
It is sad that figure skating has been reduced to the criteria of "who jumps better", there should be more than that in this sport, its for men and women ,not for grasshoppers!!! :
i dont think the Russians were better than the Canadians. Nevertheless a changing in the initial decision of the judges cannot be welcomed as a brilliant precedent in the history of sport.
Whats next, changing the result established in the field in the mens hockey final, for referee-mistake reasons??????????
Or worse, changing results in the Soccer W Cup next summer just because the referees ignored some off - sides????? :
post #6 of 13
Thread Starter 
A great man once said: "Fooball is not a matter of life and death - it's more important than that."

And while I believe that referees should be impartial, they are still human (which is part of the enjoyment of the sport) and must give answers based on their view and ability. If we were to switch to computers for refereeing decisions in football, it would take away a lot of the pub arguments about the beautiful game.

So, I kinda disagree with the quote I made above. Sport is sport. Does winning a gold medal save a child's life on an operating table? No.

Referees are human. (which they should be)
Humans make mistakes.
Therefore referees make mistakes.

If someone believes that referees should not make mistakes, or should be replaced by computers etc, then they are taking sport too seriously. Step back into the real world. If you have done the best you can then that should be enough.
I will never be an Olympic downhill skier, I'm not that good, but I have skied runs, knowing that I have done my best, and I have enjoyed them immensely, that in my heart, I have given myself a gold medal. Isn't it Alta's strapline that says "the best skier in the world is the one with the biggest smile"
And to quote Eddi Reader "between those who run for glory, and those who cannot run, tell me, which ones are the cripples and which ones touch the sun?"

So, let's make things fair, but let's not forget, it's only a game.


post #7 of 13
The actual quote Fox quoted was:

'Some people believe football is a matter of life and death. I'm very disappointed with that attitude. I can assure you it is much, much more important than that.'

- Bill Shankly (1913-1981), Scots-born manager of Liverpool Football Club, who uttered many other words of sporting wisdom during a long and outstanding career relived in detail here
post #8 of 13
Thread Starter 
Thanks again scotski!
Bill Shankly was one of the greatest football managers ever. He made LFC the great team that they still are...

When you walk through the storm
Hold your head up high
And don't be afraid of the dark
At the end of the storm
There's a golden sky
And the sweet silver song of the lark

Walk on, through the wind
Walk on, through the rain
Though your dreams be tossed and blown
Walk on, walk on, with hope in your heart
And you'll never walk alone
You'll never walk alone

(from Carousel, by Rogers & Hammerstein)

post #9 of 13
Who cares, I thought that this was a forum on skiing, not skating.
post #10 of 13
Thread Starter 
Yes, it is a ski forum, but we have been discussing the Winter Olympics at length, and the skating has been mentioned several times. If you're not interested, don't read the topic!

Now, will they change the judging at the freestyle skiing events?

post #11 of 13
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Wear the fox hat ?:
[QBReferees are human. (which they should be)
Humans make mistakes.
Therefore referees make mistakes.

This was far to blatant to call it 'error' and the fact that three judges voted that way is beyond judgment.
post #12 of 13
Thread Starter 
Sorry Ryel, I guess I didn't make my point very well.

Corruption cannot be tolerated.

My concern was more with the knee-jerk reaction of "how to take the human error out of judging" and threads where complaints are made about judges consistently making the same decision that someone else deems to be wrong.

post #13 of 13
Anyone have pics of the french maid on skates?

Any figures close to Tai Babelonia (sp?) or Katarina Vitt (sp?)? Then maybe I'll start watching ice skating.
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