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Michigan Ski Equipment Question???

post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 
I live in Southwestern Michigan and am getting ready to purchase my first new ski's...
I am 6'0" tall and my weight is around 180- 190 Lbs...

I am an all around skier who likes moguls, jumping, and slolum...

I generally ski with my children and most of the time on icy slopes.

I have used Elan, Atomics, K2's & Rossignols...

What skis would you suggest as well as bindings for me???


I also have high arches, so boots are a factor as well..

Any assistance would be appreciated...
post #2 of 16
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Originally Posted by ReaganLogan View Post
I live in Southwestern Michigan and am getting ready to purchase my first new ski's...
I am 6'0" tall and my weight is around 180- 190 Lbs...

I am an all around skier who likes moguls, jumping, and slolum...

I generally ski with my children and most of the time on icy slopes.

I have used Elan, Atomics, K2's & Rossignols...

What skis would you suggest as well as bindings for me???


I also have high arches, so boots are a factor as well..

Any assistance would be appreciated...
These would be perfect.

Seriously though, there will be real advice forthcoming from the non-smartass contingent. Welcome to epicski.
post #3 of 16
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by volantaddict View Post
These would be perfect.

Seriously though, there will be real advice forthcoming from the non-smartass contingent. Welcome to epicski.

Thanks, and I hear you on the Ice Skates... It feels we should have metal edges that we need to sharpen on a daily basis some days on our slopes...
post #4 of 16
Oh Boy!
Where do I begin?
WELCOME!

I have so much fun on a variety of skis.
Mostly familiar with the volkl line (some of the atomic line)
I think a guy can't go wrong with the Volkl AC4 or if you want more of a carver the S5(5 Star) or Allstar.
The S5 and allstar will not be as ready in the bumps but will be great on the ice and hard pack Michigan offers. The AC4 will do it all but won't have the turning radius of the stars.
If you're thinking twin tip, I've heard great things about the versatility of the Volkl Karma. I just picked up a pair, and will be happy to let you know when we get some snow

If you are going to look at Atomic, think Izor(The Izor didn't impress me but others have really liked it) or metron M11B5. Maybe the M9(Phil has more experience on these, I'm sure he'll chime in)

I am not aware of a ski shop in your area, but I have had friend who've been happy with Bill and Pauls Sporthaus.
http://www.billandpauls.com/downhill-skiing/

Sorry my knowledge is limited. I really don't know much about the Elan, K2, or Rossi line.

Prepare yourself, you are about to be overwhelmed with information:
post #5 of 16
BTW, if you ever come up our way, (cadillac ish) pm and me and my husband will hook up with you to make some turns!
post #6 of 16
The first thing you should start considering is new boots - and where you are going to have them fitted. This is a very important part of the process as getting a good fitting can mean the difference between satisfaction/comfort and being miserable on snow. I do not know the shops in your area, but many others here are from that area and can probably recommend a good shop. I suspect that there are many since there is such a large race community in Michigan. Given your high arch you will probably want to look at boots from Lange and Rossignol to start with - but without going to the shop and trying on several (a lot of) boots you will not know what kind of fit you prefer. Footbeds are a must - especially with a high arch. Supporting your foot will be an important factor.

Now for skis. Given that you are on small Michigan hills and skiing multiple kinda of terrain you are probably going to want to look toward a carver/all-mountain type ski that will have the ability to cover those terrain features, grip on ice, and ski fast and slow (since you are skiing with the family). The best category for this is probably the All-Mountain Short Turners as described here. I put that together last year about this time (although some of the models in it are due for an update, you can get a basic idea of the types of skis that might suit you). One of the best skis in this category over the past few years has been the Volkl 5-Star, quickly followed by the Fischer RX8 and RX6. We would probably need to know a little more about your skiing style before we could safely determine if you needed the top end skis like the All-Star/RX8 or is the next level down would better suit you (5-Star/RX6). Also worth a look is the new Elan Speedwave Series, and the Dynastar Contact series (replaced the Omecarve).

Later

GREG
post #7 of 16
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Originally Posted by ReaganLogan View Post
Thanks, and I hear you on the Ice Skates... It feels we should have metal edges that we need to sharpen on a daily basis some days on our slopes...
When I lived and skied in Michigan, I did exactly this; sharpened every ski day.
post #8 of 16
Thread Starter 
Thank you all for this help... I have already been reading it over and researching them on the web sites...

The only question left is which ski is the right one??? Will it be based on color scheme and graphics as well as price or is there a major difference between the Fischer, Atomics, Elans & Dyna Stars???
post #9 of 16
Well, you ask an interesting question... however the only person who can determine the right ski is you. We can arm you with enough information to make an educated decision though.

High end elans usually ski very smooth, and have excellent edgehold and moderate to high rebound. they do not have a 'snappy' feel like some manufacturers will. Fischer is one of those lively brands. Their skis have tenacious edgehold and are 'noisy' when it comes to quickness. Their slalom-like skis almost feel nervous on the snow as a result of the energy they store in them. Head skis will give you the feeling that you are glued to the snow. My last expereince with them was that they carved great, but felt sluggish in terms of quickness. Retail Volkls tend to run stiffer than other brands. If you can bend them they have good edgehold on the conditions you are looking at skiing (actually what they tend to be known for). I am not a huge Volkl fan because the skis just feel weird to me to ski on - they are good skis however. Their rebound seems to be present and very aggressive at higher speeds so expect to be on your game when you open them up. Newer Atomics tend to be softer than older atomic... but still stiff in terms of what most consumers are used to. They are however VERY smooth. The last new retail Atomic I skied was the 160cm SL:11 and they were like skiing on soft butter. I suspect that the Izor and Metron skis have a similar feel. Dynastars, being a french company, tend to ski slightly softer and very damp. The mounting position is usually more forward than the others I mentioned as well. The skis still rip, but they will give you a less lively feeling - say completely opposite of how a Fischer will feel. Personally, I have never been wowed by any Dynastar that I have ever skied (and I have skied several). They ski great, and do everything you ask them to and few things that you don't ask them to do... but my personal preference in a ski is to get some feedback when you step on the gas. Dynastar doesn't offer that like other companies seem to (Volkl, Fischer, Nordica, Elan (race stock skis only)).

Later

GREG
post #10 of 16
Fischer's feel light and lively. Dynastars feel very smooth and damp. Atomics feel solid underfoot. Elans feel between the Dynastars and Atomics. Salomons feel between the Fischers and Dynastars. Typically Salomons are softest in longitudinal flex, followed by Dynastars, Elans, Fischer and Atomics.
All top of the line skis can perform admirably. For hard icy conditions and higher speeds, I would suggest an SX11 as a good general purpose ski.
post #11 of 16
Don't discount Nordica in your search. They are coming on strong and ski much like the old Kastles that were very popular in Michigan. They are smooth, but hold very well on hard snow/ice. They also have a very broad range of width and flex characteristics at the top end of the line.
post #12 of 16
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Originally Posted by ssh
Don't discount Nordica in your search.
I was trying to keep this un-biased
post #13 of 16
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Originally Posted by ReaganLogan View Post
I generally ski with my children and most of the time on icy slopes.
Try to find a ski that performs well at slower speeds. Following your kids on a ski that needs some speed to bend will make for a very long day, especially if you like to carve.
post #14 of 16
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Originally Posted by ellensdad View Post
Try to find a ski that performs well at slower speeds. Following your kids on a ski that needs some speed to bend will make for a very long day, especially if you like to carve.
If that's the case, consider the old Elan S12 and Fischer RX8.
post #15 of 16
For boots, get fitted at Bill and Paul's Sport Haus in Grand Rapids. They usually have a great selection and knowledgable, dedicated staff. Just make sure they're not busy so they can spend plenty of time with you.

Cannonsurg's Ski Shop typically has an outstanding demo fleet, as does Nub's Nob Tech Center in Harbor Springs. While everyone can relate to you their opinions/feelings/experiences/hang-ups, only YOU can pick the 'right' ski for YOU. So wait until winter, go out and demo everything you can get your hands on, and then look for the best deals on the model you've fallen in love with. Why spend $$$ on skis only to finally ski them and find out you hate them???

Otherwise, here's my experiences on ski brands....Rossignols tend to be super soft and smooth with little to no 'feedback', Dynastars tend to be quick turning but damp, higher end Atomics require you to be on top of your game at all times and are pretty unforgiving, Nordicas do indeed ski like the old Kastles with softish tips and stiff tails, and Volkls have a 'feel' all their own that people either love or hate - they are stiff, demanding, lively, and responsive, but ornery at slower speeds. (Oh yea, the Fischer RC4 WC race ski scared the bejeesus out of me and I'm a pretty strong skier. It was speed seeking and very precise.)
post #16 of 16
Thread Starter 
Thanks... I will be visiting the Grand Rapids ski shop of Bill & Pauls...
RL
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