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What has become of the original "ski community"

post #1 of 39
Thread Starter 
For those that wondered, I've been busy for awhile in a job transition. Lift tix keep getting more expensive so I had find better opportunity! Glad to see plenty of familiar names on the posts still.

Well everyone, I'm severly depressed. I learned something the other day that has pretty much closed a chapter on how I felt about our "community". Unfortunately it happened on the first day that I have been able to get out this season.

I was taking my stepson out (his first too since his knee surgery, thanks all for the ortho references!) to get him back into the groove. We had decided on Keystone so we could take a late morning and enjoy the night ski. Like the excited, impatient idiot I can be sometimes I left my fog lights on in my haste to hit the trail.

Now here's the catch. Upon returning to the car and discovering my good work we first attempted to push it off in gear. When the wheels just slid on the snow packed lot we sat for awhile with the hood up. I was certian, knowing the group of skiers that I learned from at my start, that someone would stop by soon to give a hand.

How rudely was I surprised. In an otherwise fairly occupied lot only one group of individuals offered help but had no cables. Everyone else proceded to pack and depart with an almost "I'll try to act as if I don't notice" manner. Now I don't have green teeth, dreadlocks and a ragged Microbus full of other Deadheads. After my experience I think that if any were there they would have been more responsive.

No, I'm just another average with an average car. Anyway, I knew that I could call guest services and in 15-20 minutes have a jump but I decided to sit a little longer, out in front of the car even. Out of about 25 - 30 groups of people exiting the resort directly around me ALL drove right by.

I called the dispatcher at guest services, waited and watched a few stars die behind the clouds and went back to a warm family.

Now, this begs the question. Was I just assuming that things were different even just ten years ago or have I always had a skewed expectation of our "community".

Maybe next time I'll try that trick at Abasin and see what happens.

"Ya just cain't git thar frum here!"
post #2 of 39
I feel for you, If I were there you would have had a jump and then some. I hate to see people stuck anywhere.
AMEN to the old community that would stop on the hill, fetch a ski and stay with you until you got your skis on. Help you with a broken chain and a jump for a dead battery.
post #3 of 39
Just not too many people willing (much less eager) to help anymore, it's true. We're ever more insular and suspicious. Sad. I've seen skiers by the dozens, by the way, on a couple occassions, glide right on by someone who's fallen and motionless on the slope. I guess the thinking is, "Ah, they'll get up" or "Hell, what can I do? Isn't that why there's ski patrol?" <FONT size="1">

[This message has been edited by ryan (edited February 27, 2001).]</FONT>
post #4 of 39
You are so right. (sadly)
I have been in need of help as a kid and growing up learning how to ski (too many years ago) and still remember how it felt to have someone stop and help or at least check on my well being, so I just have to stop and assist when I see someone down. Wouldn't the world be a much better place if we all could do this..

Random acts of kindness..
post #5 of 39
Had I been there, a jump would have been yours. Do it all the time. Guess being helpfull is part of my personality.
I have a standard payment plan when helping folks out of a jam. I provide the assistance and then end with a request to be paid back. When they get nervous and start to wonder what I'm going to ask for, I always say "All I ask in return is that you help a couple of other strangers in need". Fun to see thier expression change. Once helped push out a guy stuck in a snowbank and sprung the payback request on him. He replied "Oh, you'd like a beer I suppose" and when I talked about passing the help along, He laughed and said the assist was just HIS payback for his lifetime of good deeds helping others as a patroller!
Just sounds like you got stuck with an un-helpfull crowd. I wonder if this unhelpfull attitude might be based around the media reports of good samaritans being sued.
post #6 of 39
I like your attitude and line.
I have a bumper sticker somewhere I have to put in my window. "Don't Repay Kindness.... Pass it on"

Glad to here there are at least some people with the right attitude.
post #7 of 39
I find results improve dramatically if you simply ASK for help, instead of expecting it to come to you.
post #8 of 39
or, for even FASTER results, bring a gun, point it passersby, say "Gimme a jump or I ventilate your skull." Almost always works.
post #9 of 39
ski2xs, perhaps Pinner is right did you ask anyone?, if you did and no one helped I am surprised. We carry with us Jumper cables and tow strap. As many times as we have used the tow strap it has yet to be for someone we know. My husband is always stopping for people stuck, the only person we passed by had just passed us going way to fast/reckless. He kinda deserved it.

The one time I lost a ski it was found by a stranger that helped me look for over 30 mins. He had lost a ski and was helped by a stranger so it does work to "pass it on" We think of it as A little deposit in the Karma bank.<FONT size="1">

[This message has been edited by Kima (edited February 27, 2001).]</FONT>
post #10 of 39
Dude, You might have had better luck if ya did have dreadlocks and were driving a 1967 Minibus..All the other skier, boarder Deadheads would be thinking"Wow major bumber for the dude! Better help that dude. He might just share a hit or two off his bong.and I could use a some mellowing after the rightgeous day of Pow"

The Best skier in the world is the One with the biggest smile. Utah49
post #11 of 39
I don't think it's a decline in the ski community, it's a decline in the overall community. Not only are people not willing to help out another in need, they're getting ruder and less considerate of others. When someone does stop to help, some may begin to question and suspect alterior motives. I think our society is in a downward spin.

But, that doesn't mean we should do less. We should do more. This way, hopefully others will discover the great feeling one gets when one helps those in need and then will motivated to do it more often. I like the idea of asking those you help to pay it forward. Come on people, now, smile on each other.

Talk less, ski more.
post #12 of 39
Kima's story reminds me:

I carry a tow strap with me in my truck. I've only been stuck in the snow two or three times, but I'm glad I had it.

I just get out of the truck, hook up the tow strap and stand in the middle of the road holding the other end looking as pathetic as possible.

It's amazing how fast you can get people to pull you out once they realize they don't even have to get out of their vehicle.
post #13 of 39
Thread Starter 

Ya, know! I was thinking the same thing thing too. Didn't add it but the ones who did offer the help on the push were a group of deadhead riders. I was too at one time (deadhead, still can't ride!) but had to graduate and support a family!!


Well, thats half the point. I just wanted to check the response. You see, I'm a southern transplant living in the Colorado mountains. I would never impose myself on someone unless it was dire straits. Like I said, I knew I could call guest services. I would never want someone to begrudgingly feel like that had to do something. On the other side of that coin stands the fact that if it were someone who WOULDN'T take a begrudging attitude then they probably wouldn't have to be asked anyway. If I were out of luck in the middle of nowhere then I would take Tad's stance on the issue and stand in the road with my best puppy dog face. By the way, would you have stopped without having to be asked???

dc & ryan,

Thanks, just knowing truly has lifted my spirits on the matter. Ten years ago I would have been surrounded by help from the community. . . without having to ask. It's good to know that some of us came out of that era alive!!!

I think Bob Barnes is right. I think that more and more the true, winter sports community is visiting the A-basins, Coopers and other out of the way small mountains that don't cater to the "lifestyle" of skiing but instead offer the "spirit" of skiing. Anyone can live a lifestyle, it's only a checkbook away, but only special people capture the spirit.

Several mountains have now gone for the "Resort" atmosphere with an almost Vegas style push to be the biggest and most extravegant, (sp??) In trying to doing this they have shot prices throught the roof. It's not just tickets either it's everything; food, drinks, lodging, etc. I must admit that $200 on one day of skiing (no lodging) for myself and my 15 year old kinda choked me up.

This tends to attract only the vacationing, 2-3 day a year skiers who really don't have the spirit or fever. Unless you are decently well off you can't afford any more than this (A fool and his money!). This has of course forced an election of the "target group" for these mountains. It's not locals or skiers anymore either, they can't afford it! It's people looking for a resort vacation.

Now I know that there are still great skiers and people in this group but mediocrity tends to abound in both skill and attitude despite whether they have wealth or not. This lends me to a theory that this is why these mountians tend to have a higher death/accident rate and an attitude of non-involvement.

Well, sorry to take the soap box for so long. Hey, look on the bright side. They'll be new snow tomorrow!!

"Ya just cain't git thar frum here!"<FONT size="1">

[This message has been edited by ski2xs (edited February 27, 2001).]</FONT>
post #14 of 39
There's a bigger issue here, as to what has happened to "community" in general, as in localities and knowing about your neighbor, worshipping the big screen, etc. Be he ever so lame (where I was concerned), my ex gladly would have helped, or at least would have inquired if you wanted help.

Why do I say that? Because he's a volunteer fireman and bailing out people's flooded basements (to the neglect of his own) was the way he did things. Mutual aid to Bound Brook during Floyd was par for the course and so would this. As this type of activity is becoming less and less frequent, so are the types of people who get involved in any type of good deeds.

Only so many people anymore have the time, the concern, whatever, to make such an investment of their time. There was a cultural battle between individualism and mutual caring and the former won, aided by a whole host of things that, as someone pointed out (Gonzo, I think), had produced a whole host of bad or selfish behaviors, be they involving cell phones, reckless skiing or something else. The Deadhead thing is dead-on, too, because these folks have opted for an identity to which they ascribe a communal status and they don't worry if that sounds like communism or not (being hippie inspired).

People have to act in order to recover this thing that has been lost. Circulating acts of generosity seems one way of doing it, but I am sure there are many others.

post #15 of 39
I know exactly how you feel, I had a similar experience here.. My car broke down in the middle of a left turn on a busy(big trucks) highway/state road and not one person stopped to help me push my car out of the way of incoming traffic. To make matters worst I even had my little girl in the car with me, every car pasted me(group of teen, a family group, middle age group) and went into the McDonald's without even looking at me.

I was in tears by the time I got my car off the main road and partly onto the opening drive of the restaurant. I put the brake on and took my girl out and Walk Across the Road to the Arby's to call my husband. If I had gone into that McDonalds I would have cussed them all out and called them selfish PIGS.

If I had been out in the country part of that town the AMISH would have stop with there buggies and helped out.

People are getting Ruder and Ruder, and I have seen the changes with the public since I have worked in grocery stores for the past 10yrs.

I was raise to always ask someone if they needed help, or if it is right in your face that person needs help you stop lend a hand. I always have to tell my husband.. those people need help go over and see what we can do, he wasn't raised the same way I was.

If I had been there I would have have stop to see if you need help.

"Fly like an Eagle" -
Steve Miller Band
post #16 of 39
When I was a kid, I and virtually all of my friends, would give up our seat on the bus to an elderly (even if they didn't want to think so) person, a mother with small kids, or a pregnant woman. I'm 46 now, and I bet I haven't seen that happen three times in the last ten years.

I learned to change a car tire at 13, when a woman with a flat asked for help as I was going by with a couple of friends. Took us forever, but by God we got it done.

Maybe instead of just asking the recipient to pass it on, we should ask that they pass it on, and have their kids pass one on too.
post #17 of 39
I'm with all of you who believe it is our community, or lack of, that is the root of this not just the skiers. Where I grew up (not that long ago) it was considered a mortal sin to pass someone broken down on the highway. Granted I lived in the middle of nowhere and there may not be anyone else come along for hours, but the priciple is still the same. I guess I just got in the habit of pulling people out our giving them a ride 20-30 min in the opposite direction, (and I've been on the receiving end many times as well) . You would not believe the looks I got when I was living in CA and would walk up to a stranger in need and offer some help. Half the time they would be too suspicious to accept it.

Too much today is "what do I get out of it", it's nice to see from the reponses above that some will still lend a helping hand where it is needed.

post #18 of 39
Have you ever heard of Turner mountain?

We are a Community of itself on the hill we all help other people in need.

Check out Libby.org/Skiturner for our Bio.

I'm one of those Ski Patrolers that have fun Sking and helping other people learn to Ski.

I'm an Instructor and my lessons are alway's
Free. I might want someone to Ski with, I alway's enjoy Sking with my previous student's.

Check us out, all of us on the Ski Hill are Volunteers were there to promote Sking not to profit from it!

Be Good or Eat Wood!
post #19 of 39
used the tow strap again this weekend to pull out someone stuck at a trialhead. took maybe 3 min. Everyone one left feeling better having been helped, and helping, oh btw they did not ask.
post #20 of 39
My car breaks down all the time. It's pushing 300,000 miles and when it breaks down, I ALWAYS get help. I don't stand around looking pathetic though. I ASK!!! If you didn't ask for help you have nothing to complain about. I've warmed bagels on my radiator and had half a dozen people stop to see if I was O.K. Maybe what's wrong with the "ski community" is that it spends to much time standing around in the parking lot looking pathetic, waiting for someone else to do for them, what they should do for themselves. You "experiment" doesn't prove that people won't lend a helping hand, it proves instead that people are less likely to help pathetic losers. After all "Birds of a feather flock together."
post #21 of 39
Get a life and grow up.. Look I was PUSHING my car out of traffic Way, BEARLY getting the Car to move and I was struggling with it and EVERYONE pasted me.. Gees..

"Fly like an Eagle" -
Steve Miller Band
post #22 of 39
Get a life and grow up.. Look I was PUSHING my car out of traffic Way, BEARLY getting the Car to move and I was struggling with it and EVERYONE pasted me.. Gees..

"Fly like an Eagle" -
Steve Miller Band
post #23 of 39
I thought of this thread this past weekend while biking the bike path from Copper to Vail.

My husband blew out a tire. Before he was able to get out the tools, (during the oh sh*t flat tire stage) every group of cyclist that passed yelled, OK? Got everything you need?

After the repair and tools packed away, again the refain from passing bikers. You OK? Got everything you need?

Seems like good Karma going around.
post #24 of 39
good to hear Kima..
Thanks for the words of encouragement
post #25 of 39
Adding my feel good story...

While spending a week in Winter Park recently, we were driving from the mountain to our house near Devil's Thumb and hit a bad spot of ice. It hadn't snowed in a while so the roads were very, very dry except this one spot where wind had blown snow over road which had melted and then frozen. I maintained control of my Explorer and managed to slide it to the shoulder. Everyone was OK so I backed the car up to align it with the road. Unfortunately, the shoulder dropped off more than I expected and the ditch was hidden by a snow drift. I sank the car into the 2' deep ditch but couldn't get out of it, even with 4WD. A Highway patrolmen stopped by soon thereafter and said he had called a towtruck but it would be an hour. I've got my wife, my 4 year old, and my 6 month old baby in the car with me.

Not 5 minutes later, a truckfull of grungy guys pulls up and asks if we want a pull out. I said yes and before I could get out of the car, they had my car hooked up and were pulling us out. I handed the driver a $20 and said thanks. He refused. I insisted and he said "Return the favor to someone else someday instead." and drove off.

36 hours later, we're on the same road in the morning, heading to the mountains. Pulled over on the shoulder is a sedan with a desperate looking older woman pacing around outside. It's REALLY cold out. I pull over and ask if I can help. She tells me she's run out of gas and doesn't have a phone or a gas can. We drive her into town, get her a can of gas, drive her back to her car, and help her fill it up. Now's when it gets funny...she tries to give me $20. I refuse but she insists so I tell her the story of the guys in the truck. She smiles and puts her money away.
post #26 of 39
Nice. I am feeling all warm and fuzzy.
post #27 of 39

You're not going to like this, but don't feel alone. No one else likes anything I say either.

Anyway, I'd have stopped to help. It's an opportunity for good karma.

The problem in Colorado is that the state has been taken over by transplants. Colorado lost it's heart and soul years ago. So, since everyone in the parking lot was probably from somewhere else...

As an example. I always try to talk to people on the chair. The other day, I asked this couple, "Where you from?" They answered, "Summit County". I asked them if they were born here and of course the answer was no. They just moved here 2 years ago. They asked where I was from and I said "Denver". "Oh", they said. "But you're not from around here". Little do they know that my family is here, I own a business here, my family's family is from here.

So what's my point? Colorado has been over run by those with very little or zero commitment to the state. Look at all the litter at ABasin - it's terrible.

In my mind, the state has a very high transient population. I meet more and more people who could care less about important legislative issues, for example. "What do I care who runs for Governor. I live in the mountains, it doesn't affect me".

These same people who don't care about politics or important issues, only care about themselves. They drive around in their SUV's with their windows rolled up, chewing up all the gas. You met a few of them in the parking lot.
post #28 of 39
utah 49- i totally agree hehehe

anyways,although I'm but a youngster I think the "ski community" that my dad goes on about should return to the white slopes of happynes.. I mean, isn't that what skiing is REALLY all about? the pure happyness of the mountain air, the simple JOY of slicing down a mountain? I am in complete bliss when I ski, and thats why I do it, I fel as if it is now a commercialized sport, only bringing in newbie teenagers who want to drink Mt. Dew & drive their parents lexus 4x4 up to the slopes, to piss of the lift ops & toke up at the summit....

I feel that the true happyness and plain and simple glee should be thrown back into skiing... I'd like to start a movement:
The happy skiiers movement- putting the joy back in skiing--

I mean, isn't that whay we ski? to relaesae tension from works/home/skool/significant other and to feel free on the mountain, grabbing a brewski @ the end of a day of mountain air, and flirting with strangers with nice jackets and nice moves?

maybe I'm skiing for all the wrong reasons compared to other people, but for me, happy skiing feels right

"When hell freezes over, I'll ski there too"
post #29 of 39
Com'on Wacko, don't complain about transplants and tourists. Well, you can complain about 'em, but remember that you need them (us). It always cracks me up when I hear "Locals" (capital L intentional) complain about transplants at "their" mountain.

First of all, most of the Locals are simply winter-hires from somewhere that's a LOT further from the mountains than most of the tourists. Hmmm...this Local waitress is from Virginia Beach. And this Local rental shop worker is from Nebraska. Oh look, there's a local from Florida! Second, NONE of those locals would have a job there if it weren't for the influx of tourists.

Lemme ask you this, what percentage of your Dillon-based business' revenues come from locals and what percent comes from transplants and tourists? I have no idea what you do for a living but I'm guessing you wouldn't be willing to part with those tourist revenues.

Do you think A-basin would even exist if the only people who skied it were locals? (How many people live at A-basin? Zero if you exclude the guys in the motorhomes in the parking lot)

Without tourists, I think most of us would be spending a lot more time walking up the mountains and a lot less time skiing down them. Hmmm...maybe that's not so bad after all! KILL THE TOURISTS!

DISCLAIMER: This post is not intended to offend anyone from anywhere, even Wacko!
post #30 of 39

It's not the tourists - god bless them. And it's not the transplants.

What I'm talking about are those that move here and don't take any interest in what's going on around them. These kinds of folks, Colorado doesn't need -- and there's way too many of them -- that's what the problem is.
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