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2007 M:11 B5 vs 2007 AC4's

post #1 of 21
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Can anyone comment on the differences/similarities of these two skis?

Has anyone skied both?
post #2 of 21
I have the M11 B5's and have skied the 06 AC4's.
post #3 of 21
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Phil,

do you think they are similiar skis? i know you like the m11 b5's (this week), and what you said about them in another post certainly had me leaning this way in the begining. but now i've read quite a bit about the new ac4's. they really beefed these things up a bit. that's got me thinking again.
post #4 of 21
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Originally Posted by B R View Post
Phil,

i know you like the m11 b5's (this week),
For 57 posts, you are a wiseguy.

i don't think you could go wrong with either ski. But the characteristics between these two skis will be vastly different. I would say the M11B5 is like an Infiniti FX45 and the AC4 is like a Mercedes ML55.
post #5 of 21
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Originally Posted by Phil Pugliese View Post
For 57 posts, you are a wiseguy.

i don't think you could go wrong with either ski. But the characteristics between these two skis will be vastly different. I would say the M11B5 is like an Infiniti FX45 and the AX4 is like a Mercedes ML55.
And you call him the wise guy. Maybe some more specific information might help him .
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And you call him the wise guy. Maybe some more specific information might help him .
how much more specific can i get than that?
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I think what Phil is trying to say is that they have vastly different characteristics so one could easily own both and be satisfied with the differences that each ski offers...
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Originally Posted by Phil Pugliese View Post
how much more specific can i get than that?
Ok , then could you explain the differances between these cars.
I'm really not trying to provoke you but your base of knowledge of cars is larger than most .
I thought this was a ski discussion.
post #9 of 21
I think Phil is trying to say "The Mercedes costs more, but doesn't really perform any better. But because it costs more, fewer people have them, and it has snob appeal. The Infiniti is common but is just as good of a ride."

But I'm probably way off...
post #10 of 21
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Originally Posted by Phil Pugliese View Post
For 57 posts, you are a wiseguy.
i had PM'ed you last week regarding the M11 b5, i took that quote from your message to me. sorry for the plagiarism.

besides the review by dawgcatching, the new ac4 hasn't been reviewed by many. and the m11 b5 has hardly been mentioned, besides some words by you. i'm just wondering who else has had a chance to ride these skis.
post #11 of 21
Oh, and the Mercedes is faster (AMG) and less utilitarian. But really -- The point is that both skis have similar characteristics, and might even be within the same niche. But they have subtle (and not so subtle) differences.

B R -- try searching the forums w/ the google search bar up on the top right of the window. You'll find some excellent reviews in the archives that can help!

http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=33051


http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=26040&highlight=AC4


http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=32015


these might help some
post #12 of 21
Much information here from knowledgable people.
Without putting words in Phils mouth, I think what he was trying to say is......

the M11B5 is a great ski if you want to make turns.(like a sports car on a curvy road). The AC4 will lend to a bit more stability, but will offer just as much performance.

Both great performers in the same class but with a different feel.
You can't go wrong with either one.

I'd call Phil a Pillar in the Gear community, but I wouldn't want it to go to his head.
post #13 of 21
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Originally Posted by utahskier View Post
I think Phil is trying to say "The Mercedes costs more, but doesn't really perform any better. But because it costs more, fewer people have them, and it has snob appeal. The Infiniti is common but is just as good of a ride."

But I'm probably way off...
Yeah,

i see a lot mre ML55's then FX45 on the road!
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Originally Posted by utahskier View Post
Oh, and the Mercedes is faster (AMG) and less utilitarian. But really -- The point is that both skis have similar characteristics, and might even be within the same niche. But they have subtle (and not so subtle) differences.

B R -- try searching the forums w/ the google search bar up on the top right of the window. You'll find some excellent reviews in the archives that can help!

http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=33051


http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=26040&highlight=AC4


http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=32015


these might help some
thanks utahskier. i have found most of these. what i'm not seeing, and i know they're new skis, is reviews about the m11 b5. would reviews of the 2006 m11 be close enough?

i own a pair of b5's in 162. i absolutely love them. i bought a pair of allstars last year and just didn't use them enough and sold them this year. they just didn't have enough shape for me and didn't handle anything but groomed trails (at least when compared to the b5's).

the b5's catch a bit too much for me in bumps and off-piste. i guess this is what i'm really looking for. i know there are more dedicated bumps/off-piste skis, but i want the skis to be able to carve too since most of my skiing days will consist of some groomed skiing.

and, i'm off to utah for my first taste of west coast skiing in 30 years. i wouldn't mind being able to use this new set of skis out there. but as phil suggested to me, i won't hesitate to rent some powder skis should my timing work out for the utah trip and i get to ski in some killer pow!!
post #15 of 21
The 06 M11 is vastly different than the 07 as are your b5's. The waist of the AC4 being 82 limits its versatilty, the M11B5 will be a bit more playful and quicker edge to edge. I have taken the M11B5's in the bumps and they were fine, much better then the 05 M11 or the B5. I am tempted by the AC4, but I will deal with the devil I know with the M11B5
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Originally Posted by trekchick View Post
the M11B5 is a great ski if you want to make turns.(like a sports car on a curvy road). The AC4 will lend to a bit more stability, but will offer just as much performance.
I like how Trekchick is able to explain multiple objects (both cars and and skis) in two sentences.

Gentlemen, please follow her example and try to focus...

Cheers,

Michael
post #17 of 21
I skied the M11-B5, and the 06 AC4 in a 170 vs a 184, so not exactly a equal comparison, but the M11 was lively, quick, had a lighter feel pretty much like the sports car analogy. The AC4 was solid, damper, a bit heavier. The AC4 felt like a solid good capable ski everywhere, the M11 more fun to me. I would easily take the M11 for on piste use, while the AC4 was more solid and stable off piste. The M11 was OK off piste if you like to turn a lot and not carry much speed. A longer length should help that some though.
post #18 of 21
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Originally Posted by Phil Pugliese View Post
i don't think you could go wrong with either ski. But the characteristics between these two skis will be vastly different. I would say the M11B5 is like an Infiniti FX45 and the AC4 is like a Mercedes ML55.
Phil is paying us a gracious compliment, presuming we're familiar with the performance characteristics of high-end luxury vehicles.

Just be glad he didn't go for his usual "Ferrari - Lamborghini" comparison.

I'd feel sheepish admitting I'm without one of each in the 12-car garage.

I would love to take the M11B5's for a spin. I suspect they'd forgive my 50'ish quads more than my high-torque Metron B:5's, 172 cm. Perhaps I just need more horsepower.
post #19 of 21
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Originally Posted by B R View Post
i own a pair of b5's in 162. i absolutely love them. i bought a pair of allstars last year and just didn't use them enough and sold them this year. they just didn't have enough shape for me and didn't handle anything but groomed trails (at least when compared to the b5's).

the b5's catch a bit too much for me in bumps and off-piste. i guess this is what i'm really looking for. i know there are more dedicated bumps/off-piste skis, but i want the skis to be able to carve too since most of my skiing days will consist of some groomed skiing.
Given this explanation, I would lean more towards the M11:B5 than the AC4. I would expect the AC3 to actually be a closer approximation to the M11:B5, with the AC4 giving more beef, less sidecut, and an overall more GS/SuperG ride in the chop. While the M11:B5 will handle those conditions better than some, it will not do so as well as the AC4. However, getting the AC4 to crank out tight arcs will require greater skills (and energy!) than doing so on the M11:B5.

Hope this helps...
post #20 of 21
I skied the M11B5's at Elk Mt., PA this past season in soft snow conditions. They handled great and were a lot of fun to lay on edge. I was going to ski them in the bumps but I didn't want to show Phil up so I don't know first hand how they behave in the bumps. If you already have a pair of narrower waisted carving ski think about getting the AC4's to round out your quiver a little bit. If your looking for one ski to use all the time in every condition go with the M11B5. Bottom line is you looking at Volkl and Atomic skis..... either way you can't go wrong performance and quality. I am a pretty big guy and personally like skis that have lots of metal and edge grip so they can handle the speed and abuse.
post #21 of 21
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thanks for the posts/advise guys.

i'm 5'10" 160 lbs. i'm leaning towards the m11 b5's. i understand they are closer to my b5's, but i'm worried that the sidecut on the AC4's are too similiar to the sidecut on the allstars i just gave up. i've always had good luck with atomics skis, this will be my 6th set. and i also think i can't go wrong with either ski.
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