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Arrrgh! Powder Mag Gear Issue

post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 
First off, they have a great tribute to Doug Coombs in the new issue of Powder. Major props for that.

HOWEVER:

The "new gear" section is full of the cute little one-paragraph, clever descriptions of new ski models. Innuendo and sexual double entendres are again the major focus instead of describing how a pair of skis actually responds.

Worst of all, while they do manage to give the available lenghts for the new skis they covered, there is NOTHING AT ALL ABOUT TURN RADIUS! :

Isn't turn radius a relatively important parameter in a pair of skis?
post #2 of 15
Thread Starter 
Oh... I forgot to add.

There are some seriously FAT skis on the market this winter.

Oy.

post #3 of 15
I find that in deep soft snow it's not so much the sidecut radius as the flex characteristics and snow resistance that determine the "turn" radius.
post #4 of 15
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I find that in deep soft snow it's not so much the sidecut radius as the flex characteristics and snow resistance that determine the "turn" radius.
I guess you're luckier than I in that you apparently get to ski deep soft snow all the time.

Still, even given the fact that what you say is true, isn't it ALSO true that if two powder skis have the same flex characteristics and you're skiing them in snow of the same resistance, the one with the shorter turn radius will want to come around faster than the one with the longer radius?

And don't some skiers, for instance, prefer huge arcing race turns down powder snow while others prefer short turns? Wouldn't the design turn radius of the ski either help or hurt depending on what you want?

It just seems like a glaring omission to me.
post #5 of 15
I ski more deep snow than you...IN MY DREAMS!

They should have given the sidecut radius. At least you can use PMs sidecut radius calculator, or a more accurate one, or just the average side cut and length to tell you what you need to know. The sad thing is that the average reader probably doesn't have a clue.
post #6 of 15
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Originally Posted by Bob Peters View Post
Worst of all, while they do manage to give the available lenghts for the new skis they covered, there is NOTHING AT ALL ABOUT TURN RADIUS! :

Isn't turn radius a relatively important parameter in a pair of skis?
Who the hell cares about turn radius when your making straight lines down the hill. Isn't that the only way to ski big mountains anymore?



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post #7 of 15
It's not likethey ONLY tested powder skis anyway. Turn radius would be useful information. The only useful information in PM is what the topsheets look like. All the rest is just the editors pre-conceived notions of what the skis should ski like.
post #8 of 15
I guess absent turn radius info, one can always look at the overall shape of the ski. The greater the hour glass shape, the more the ski will want to turn. But I understand your complaint. The writers at these mags are pretty pathetic when it comes to describing a skis characteristics in an objective manner. I guess it's because skis are a subjective matter.
post #9 of 15
I never knew the magazine reviews were so important...
post #10 of 15
First you want to know the shape of the ski.

Turn radius is essential in choosing your ski to fit your intended usage. It is the most telling statistic.
The next focus would be stiffness along the long plane of the ski
The next would be tortional stiffness.
That else would you need to know?
I couldn't care less about graphics.Well unless they are pink. Pink I have a problem with .You know the manly man thing
post #11 of 15
Bob,

C'mon, you live in Jackson Hole, what do you know about skiing powder:
post #12 of 15
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Originally Posted by Bob Peters View Post
Still, even given the fact that what you say is true, isn't it ALSO true that if two powder skis have the same flex characteristics and you're skiing them in snow of the same resistance, the one with the shorter turn radius will want to come around faster than the one with the longer radius?

If the side cut mattered the spatula wouldn't work (or the ponton, or lotus, or capital big mountain ski, etc)

Flex is key in soft snow as you don't have a firm, hard surface to carve into. Hard snow is 2 dimensional, powder you sink into and is 3D.

side cut does matter, but width and flex a lot more so
post #13 of 15
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Isn't turn radius a relatively important parameter in a pair of skis?
Not if you're straight-lining.
post #14 of 15
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Originally Posted by volantaddict View Post
Not if you're straight-lining.
I beg to differ, sir. I'll let you straight line it on a pair of skis with a 10m radius, and get back to me (from the hospital?)
post #15 of 15
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Originally Posted by Lonnie View Post
Who the hell cares about turn radius when your making straight lines down the hill. Isn't that the only way to ski big mountains anymore?



L
After 30 years of making cute little slalom turns day-in, day-out, someone finally sold me on a pair of GS skis and I had my first epiphany. Bigger turns, faster speed, more visual information coming at a faster rate, handling larger terrain features in the same manner I used to deal with ripples & ruts. Then suddenly fat skis came about and I got the chance to ski powder in the same manner I used to race dh.

Lonnie, I love turning. It’s the discipline, the passion… the alter of skiing. But turning comes in any radius… and every radius has advantages if you’re willing to lay it all out. In 20 years I won’t be willing to lay it all out and I’ll be back in the land of the cute little slalom turn. The time for big radius turns is now!

You and Bob need to get with it while you can.
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