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post #31 of 56
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Okay.... so I was just chatting with my boss, who knows the guy who vacated the job in UT. Turns out that that guy is from Ohio, has a family, and there were issues with the UT locals. He's planning on leaving UT, whcih is one reason he quit. That doesn't make me very interested in pursuing this one any further. oh well. Something good will come up at some point.

Sorry to dissappoint, but as much as skiing means to me, unfortunately my priorities changed when I had kids. I haaaate it when that happens!
post #32 of 56
All too late now it seems...but public schools --

I went through the public school system in Salt Lake, and was accepted to a private liberal arts school in WI w/ a full scholarship. SLC is one of the few places where you don't need to put kids into private schools.

But it seems you've made your decision, and if you feel you've made the right choice, then best of luck with everything. It is admirable to think about one's family before skiing!
post #33 of 56
Just to add a consipracy theory here -- maybe your boss, who realizes your potential as an employer to him, has been lurking on these forums, and told you whatever it was to keep you in his office...
post #34 of 56
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Originally Posted by GIJared View Post
I just found another reason to move to SLC.

http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,645191935,00.html
Sheesh, every weirdo from the Mormon West ends up in SLC.
post #35 of 56
Face it John, you are having reservations about the job cause you can't bear the thought of leaving me to ride Colt's Neck by myself.
post #36 of 56
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Face it John, you are having reservations about the job cause you can't bear the thought of leaving me to ride Colt's Neck by myself.
What can I say.... I watch out for my friends.

Speaking of Colt's Neck, maybe this Wednesday? email me.
post #37 of 56
fwiw - it seems like a paradise but I think it can be difficult. A relative of mine lived in PC for about 2 years selling of all things real estate. I say of all things because there are something like 800 realtors in the city limits (so much for no competition .

He claimed even in somewhat more diverse PC there can be a "clique-ish" or Mormon favoritism as far as business dealings.

Good luck - my wife and I have talked about living there but ... it's prolly too far from our extended families on the east coast. The idea of it, especially if I were a little younger is so tempting though - so much outdoor stuff yearround. I dunno how the summers are though if it gets hot etc .... To live in SLC is probably cheap compared with PC, but you probably would like to live up there.

As far as the religious stuff - hey there are strange rituals in all religions including the major ones - Christianity, Judaism, Muslim - and for lack of a better/more PC term kooks in every one of em. The school thing might be hard for a kid though I would imagine, although you'd think in this day and age there would be moderate/tolerant areas in more upscale neighborhoods.
post #38 of 56

SLC punk

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Originally Posted by utahskier View Post
Agreed -- the religion is wack. However, there is a strong, and I mean *strong* counter-culture in SLC. Kinda SLC punk (the movie) but toned down to a real life kind of feel. Living in clearfield would be much more of a taxation as far as friends and religious divisions go. Living in Salt Lake or Park City would provide you w/ a more cosmopolitan feel, but a short commute (30 mins ish).

Of course your experiences will be different from those of every one else. Still, good luck!
Just had to mention - liked that movie! It's a bit overdramatized for sure but you get the sense there is a social tension there that could lead to an underground of subversives :

... first got a sense of that when we hit the Port O Call on a weekend (back in my single days)
post #39 of 56
Utah would be awesome for everyone, if it wasnt in Utah.
post #40 of 56
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This is really strange. I would have thought I'd be jumping all over this and sending a resume to the hiring mgr, and getting all worked up. But there's something iffy about this one. I think there is some other stuff keeping me from getting excited about this.
Maybe because it's a change. Unlike fact and figures, you simply cannot be sure about this. I doubt you'd be jumping all over CO either.

I can't imagine that the mormons could be as huge a problem as folks make them out to be. What's the likelihood that you'll have a mormon son-in-law?
post #41 of 56
Interesting dilemma. Our family faced a similar decision with an opportunity to move from Oregon to SLC. After much debate and discussion with a wide range of non-LDS friends from the region, we gave up the opportunity primarily because we didn't want our daughter to grow up in an area where a significant portion of the population seems to endorse the concept that women are second class citizens. Of course, we ended up in CO, so all's well that ends well in terms of the skiing....
post #42 of 56
Oh man that was close! Thank god you are not going to Utah John because now we will have another opportunity to meet and shred the Whitetail this winter.:
post #43 of 56
The more I read these threads the more I come to think that many people who move here excect to be over whelmed by Mormons. After living here 10 years I find this whole thing a un-issue. But if you pre judge moving here then you better stay right where you are. I would rather live with Mormons then live in some nasty climate east coast city with to much traffic,high cost of living,a long cummute, gangs and a high crime rate. Then again thats just me.
post #44 of 56
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Originally Posted by Utah49 View Post
The more I read these threads the more I come to think that many people who move here excect to be over whelmed by Mormons. After living here 10 years I find this whole thing a un-issue. But if you pre judge moving here then you better stay right where you are. I would rather live with Mormons then live in some nasty climate east coast city with to much traffic,high cost of living,a long cummute, gangs and a high crime rate. Then again thats just me.
Boy, Utah49, I couldn't agree with you more.

My wife and I are most definitely not Mormon, nor any other religion for that matter. We lived in Holladay (SLC suburb), in a VERY predominantly LDS neighborhood from 1993 to 2002 and we absolutely loved it.

We didn't know a single person in Salt Lake when we moved there. Our neighbors learned very quickly that we simply had no interest in converting. They were always great neighbors who invited us to lots of gatherings and didn't mind at all when we brought and consumed alcohol. We developed many friends with similar interests through work and skiing and hiking and climbing and so on.

From an outdoor recreation standpoint, there can't be a city in the US with more options nearby. The benefits of living in the SLC area so far outweigh whatever tiny, infinitesimal annoyances are associated with the religion that it isn't even a contest.

If I were ever again in a situation where I needed to live in a major city, I'd choose Salt Lake in a heartbeat.

People who rule it out based on hearsay are really missing the boat.
post #45 of 56
My understanding is that the head prophet is also head of the substantial Mormon business empire so "profit" may be apropo. In that vein, I'm curious as to how your company feels about hiring a non-Mormon to such a position in that area. The Mormon Church, as I understand it, is a colossal business conglomerate altho they don't seem anxious to discuss it. I have read articles about this but they seem slanted to downplay the business and make it seem a far more reasonable proposition that it would appear to be.
post #46 of 56
Church of the Latter Day Capitalists. All they ask is a 1/10 of your gross income. A small price to pay for eternal salvation. Check out the tabernacle tour in SLC. They have a great multi-media presention of the high points of their faith and even a movie of what happens when you die. Unfortunately after the angel showed Joe the tablets he buried them and no one else ever saw them. Kind of ironic that the entire religion is based on trusting a guy named "Joe Smith."
post #47 of 56
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Originally Posted by zion zig zag View Post
come on : And they are born with horns and wear magical underwear and all have 3 wives. I suggest you have a little better understanding of others religions before you spout about it on the net. I'm not Mormon, but I've studied it quite a bit, as far as I'm concerned it's no more bizarre than any other religion.
Wow, I knew about the horns and multiple wives, but tell us more about the magical underwear!!! If it's what I think, no wonder women are second class citizens...
post #48 of 56
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Speaking of Colt's Neck, maybe this Wednesday? email me.
Sorry John, I didn't see this till today and it's too late for me to get my stuff together in time for a ride. I'd have to do a weekday ride that has me back home by 6:00 to 6:15 though.
post #49 of 56
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...All they ask is a 1/10 of your gross income...
Unlike all the other Christian denominations?
post #50 of 56
mods, sorry,

Most of this thread (except the advice to JohnH about the job) should have been carried on in the Politics forum in the lounge.

Anyone want to post it there?
post #51 of 56
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Originally Posted by icanseeformiles(andmiles) View Post
Unlike all the other Christian denominations?
Unlike other denominations, as I understand it, if you're not up on your dues you're not allowed into the church. My cousin is a Mormon. I was told that she and her husband were not allowed into the church to be part of their daughter's wedding because they were not paid up. On the other hand this individual is about as wacko as their church is alleged to be and this story may be merely apocryphal.
post #52 of 56
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Boy, Utah49, I couldn't agree with you more.

My wife and I are most definitely not Mormon, nor any other religion for that matter. We lived in Holladay (SLC suburb), in a VERY predominantly LDS neighborhood from 1993 to 2002 and we absolutely loved it.

We didn't know a single person in Salt Lake when we moved there. Our neighbors learned very quickly that we simply had no interest in converting. They were always great neighbors who invited us to lots of gatherings and didn't mind at all when we brought and consumed alcohol. We developed many friends with similar interests through work and skiing and hiking and climbing and so on.

From an outdoor recreation standpoint, there can't be a city in the US with more options nearby. The benefits of living in the SLC area so far outweigh whatever tiny, infinitesimal annoyances are associated with the religion that it isn't even a contest.

If I were ever again in a situation where I needed to live in a major city, I'd choose Salt Lake in a heartbeat.

People who rule it out based on hearsay are really missing the boat.
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Originally Posted by Utah49 View Post
The more I read these threads the more I come to think that many people who move here excect to be over whelmed by Mormons. After living here 10 years I find this whole thing a un-issue. But if you pre judge moving here then you better stay right where you are. I would rather live with Mormons then live in some nasty climate east coast city with to much traffic,high cost of living,a long cummute, gangs and a high crime rate. Then again thats just me.
Question for you guys....

Did either of you have kids in the SLC public school system?

To be honest, if I was single or even if it was just me and my wife, I'd have a different view of this. But I have 3 very young daughters and a young son who will need to use the public school system.
post #53 of 56
John, you are a relatively young man. If the sense of adventure and risk has left you gripped about accepting this job, you fate will probably be to live in the East. Big moves take big perceived risks. The reality is, people rarely look back after accepting the risk. Its a lot like jumping off a steep line. Take a long hard look at this opportunity. Investigate the job, people, neighborhoods. Keep your options open while approaching a decision. Like the former occupant of this position, a move can be taken again if it turns out to be less than you expected. But if the upside benefits exceed the downside risks, take the leap. Only you and your family can make that decision. Give it a good hard look and keep in mind that most folks from the east or midwest have not idea what life is like in the intermountain or pacific region. Work and professional demands are not very different; but what you do with your free time is a huge difference; its measurable in vertical feet.

Good luck.

(Icnsee... the request to move this to the lounge seems unnecessary, and about half of the participation is general members. John's call.)
post #54 of 56
John,

I will reiterate. I am a product of the SLC public school system. It is, in my feelings, one of the better public systems around. There is little to no need to put children in private/parochial schools here (however they are available). There are two public school programs available here for "more intellectually advanced students." IB and ALPS. IB is almost an AP like program, where class credit counts for college credit. My cousin, who went to Brown (not a bad school) had her first year accounted for with IB courses.

ALPS (which I did) is a pre-high school (see middle school) program that accelerates the material one learnes. It provided me with an excellent platform to jump into AP courses. If it is college admissions that you are worried about, I went to an "average" high school, and with a 3.5 GPA was not denied nor accepted any more than my peers in other states or in private schools.

As far as mormonism and schools -- many schools will have mormon students, just like catholic schools will have catholic students, but it is not taught in the classroom ( a key difference!) -- A majority, probably 60% of the teachers in the school I went to were not mormon. They were, however, educated and able to teach, just what you want from an educator.

The bottom line? Students in utah public schools go to prestigious private schools at the same ratio as those growing up in yuppy western or eastern suburbs. Being from a different demographic actually helped me with college admissions.

All this said, if you have hesitations about things, there are good reasons for it. Would you purchase a ski that you weren't sure about, even if it was a killer deal? Or would you throw down for the good one? I'm sure you will make the right decision, I'm just giving my experiences in the system.
post #55 of 56
One other aspect of Mormonism is their focus on the family. While I certainly have little use for the Mormon religion, I'd say that they generally are far more focused on ensuring that their kids are well educated and supported. So one thing I would not be concerned about is the quality of the public school system.

My daughter is living and working in SLC now. It has changed quite substantially from when I was a kid growing up here in the intermountain west. It is much more open today than it was 40 years ago.

Also, my understanding is that the really tough areas to live in in Utah are further south -- like Provo. SLC and points north are purportedly more accepting of non-believers.

Mike
post #56 of 56
I grew up in Ohio where Amish and Mennonite kids went to school with everyone else. In many cities we have a wide mix if Muslim, Hindu, Christian, Jewish, Atheist and other religions represented As a peripheral issue to JohnH's potential relocation, or skiing in Utah, its interesting to see how much people obsess on the LDS issue; particularly if they have never experienced it.

Having lived and attended school in Utah, I never found it to be such a major factor influencing my everyday life, education or employment. OTOH, I think there is a significant culture shock for an Easterner, whether they move to Colorado, Utah, Arizona or California. Things are different here in terms of what we can do, and its always harder if you leave friends and family behind. Uncertainty, and unfamiliarity are big incentives not to change your life in a big way.
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