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Advice on twin tip all mountain skis

post #1 of 24
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Hey folks, any help would be appreciated.
I am an east coast skier who does a week or so in Utah evey year. I am 5'8", 175, athletic build, advanced/expert skier. I have read threads from DePierre and Michaelsnead on the Titan 9, Vicious, Mantra, Karma, etc. There is a lot of information on this form and at times it can be overwhelming. Add to that, the reality that this is all personal opinions. Enough already, here is my question:

I am looking for smothing a little shorter (170) that will be quick through the bumps and tight trees. We don't get much power out here but I want something that will do better then my SX-9s in Utah. I couldn't float those things worth a damn. I will keep the SX-9s for the daily hardpack out east.
post #2 of 24
I'm about the same size as you and have been fine on both the Rossi Z9 and the Metron M10 (or 11?), though the B5 might be worth a try (none of those are twin-tips, but are decent all mountain skis). The extreme shape means that they're meant to be skied short. I know a guy who LOVES his Seths (softer and not so good on hardpack) and the Head Mojo 90 is also popular as all-mountain that does powder. Keep in mind that the twin-tips should be skied in a relatively longer length because the back tip is up off of the snow. Bottom line? Try before you buy.
post #3 of 24
My advice would be to do a search. There's a thread that has asked that question with lots of good info.

http://forums.epicski.com/showthread...ight=twin+tips
post #4 of 24
Why twins? Don't you really want a midfat, regardless of the way the tail is shaped?

Anyway, if you're willing to go 179, I'd look at the PM Gear Bro Model. I ski the 188s most days, and they're incredibly versatile big mountain skis. Some people don't like the 188s, but I've never heard even a peep of complaint about the 179s.
post #5 of 24
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Originally Posted by Ilikebig bumps
Hey folks, any help would be appreciated.
I am an east coast skier who does a week or so in Utah evey year. I am 5'8", 175, athletic build, advanced/expert skier. I have read threads from DePierre and Michaelsnead on the Titan 9, Vicious, Mantra, Karma, etc. There is a lot of information on this form and at times it can be overwhelming. Add to that, the reality that this is all personal opinions. Enough already, here is my question:

I am looking for smothing a little shorter (170) that will be quick through the bumps and tight trees. We don't get much power out here but I want something that will do better then my SX-9s in Utah. I couldn't float those things worth a damn. I will keep the SX-9s for the daily hardpack out east.
Try K2 Public Enemy 169 cm good at speed on hard snow too but for high speed in powder/soft crud I would go to a Volkl AC4 177cm also ok in bumps but not as good as the PE 169cm
post #6 of 24
Cassina's suggestions are really worth a look - I concur that they are both great skis. So much to try! Bring on the snow!
post #7 of 24
I have Mojo 90's myself, and find them to work really well for the type of skiing you are describing. They're also really good in powder, and even hold up well on the groomers. It has been a great do it all ski for me, they're very light (cap construction) and maneuverable in any situation. The Mojo's were my favourite out of the other few similar twins I've demoed. I haven't tried any of the others you've listed, but have heard great things about them too.
post #8 of 24
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Originally Posted by Alberto View Post
I'm about the same size as you and have been fine on both the Rossi Z9 and the Metron M10 (or 11?), though the B5 might be worth a try (none of those are twin-tips, but are decent all mountain skis). The extreme shape means that they're meant to be skied short. I know a guy who LOVES his Seths (softer and not so good on hardpack) and the Head Mojo 90 is also popular as all-mountain that does powder. Keep in mind that the twin-tips should be skied in a relatively longer length because the back tip is up off of the snow. Bottom line? Try before you buy.

My buddy skis the Metrons at 162 and loves them for carving. Doesn't think there a re a great bump ski however. I will check out the Mojo 90. Thanks
post #9 of 24
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Originally Posted by Cassina View Post
Try K2 Public Enemy 169 cm good at speed on hard snow too but for high speed in powder/soft crud I would go to a Volkl AC4 177cm also ok in bumps but not as good as the PE 169cm
There are a lot of PE fans out there. I always assumed it was more of a pure park ski.
post #10 of 24
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Originally Posted by Toadman View Post
My advice would be to do a search. There's a thread that has asked that question with lots of good info.

http://forums.epicski.com/showthread...ight=twin+tips

Much appreciated thread. Don't know why I didn't see this before
post #11 of 24
Go big or go home.

183 Volkl Gotamas (my ski of choice for utah I am 2 inches taller and 10 pound lighter), plus will be more useable back east than the skinny carvers people think are awesome over here(they are jsut not for 'everything). Let me explain out west you want float and the snow is never really hard so you hard snow wont punish you at all. Back east when its snows...where the snow go in them there tree, more float means less hitting the stuff underneath all of that snow.

Other good choices IMO volkl Gotama 176 may be tad on the short side of things, Atomic Sugar Daddies 183(173 to short, Line Motherships in a 182(shorter size drop of in width), Salomon Pocket Rockets 175 or 185cm, 179 K2 Seth Viciouss yada yada. Above all go fat dont turn back.

I know you said you wanted short but twins will ski shorter than you think....176 gotamas will be more like upper 160s for a "normal" ski.
post #12 of 24
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Originally Posted by Ilikebig bumps View Post
There are a lot of PE fans out there. I always assumed it was more of a pure park ski.
The PE has 2 sets of markings for the bindings to be set forward for park & half pipe or back for all mountain. My bindings are set back for all mountain skiing as I am not into the park although I did try a half pipe without getting airbourne at the top.
post #13 of 24
K2 Public Enemy, stiff enough for all mountain, but they have it all for the park. You can mount the binders back to get a more all mountain feel. Demo a buch of twins to see what you like the best.
post #14 of 24
I am 5'7" 165 lbs, also advanced East Coast Skier and love my Dynastar Trouble Makers-165cm. Awesome through the trees, good through the bumps and handled great in 10+ inches of powder while in Tahoe. 78 in the waist so still can handle groomed trails when needed. Highly recommend you demo a pair.
post #15 of 24
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Originally Posted by Ilikebig bumps
There is a lot of information on this form and at times it can be overwhelming.
There it's all cleared up for you, huh :

Rather than confuse the crap out of you even more...just get the 176 Mojo 90s...but really most of the skis suggested are fine too...but really just get some mojo 90s...and mount them back 1-2 cm
post #16 of 24
I got some K2 PEs and there pretty nice, really nice on groomers and in powder but i find them to be not so good on the ice. Pretty good alround thou and make some nice rooster tails to kick up into those snow boarders behind u
post #17 of 24
Go with the Dynastar Legend 8800's. I can't believe no one mentioned them. I would not even think of going with a 186 at your size. Go a hair smaller. Yeah a long ass ski like a 186 will perform better outwest but you do not ski there much at all. Here in the east in the tight trees you are going to wish you had something a bit smaller to toss around! I am 28 grew up skiing at whiteface and ride legend 8800's for everything. They truely rip in any condition you will come across. I even close zipper lines down any mogul run with them. All around performers. My second choice would be the Rossignol Scratch BC, Vicous, then Mantra.
post #18 of 24
A longer ski will be more stable at high speeds. Shorter the ski much to unstable at high speeds. You are really going to have to demo skis you like in different sizes to see what suits you best. You don't want to be to long or to short. Or you can do what I do and buy a ski I like ride it. If I don't like it I sell it and buy a different one. I rarely have has to sell a ski though.
I am to lazy to demo at the mountain. Plus it takes up my precious riding time. I rarely switch skis during hte day for the very same reason as to not lose any time. Full throttle open to close. Lunch on the lift or in the woods. Beer in the chalet or at the lawn chair/parkinglot (cheaper)
post #19 of 24

Head Mojo 90...

I reccomend the Head Mojo 90. I love them. They are a great all round ski. Fast or slow, I ski powder, hard-pack, trees and of course take them through the park as well. Not to mention I teach ski lessons with them! They turn like a dream and respond very well on egde.

I bought them a bit small, 163cm instead of 170cm but have found no difference between the two sizes, only that with the set-up I currently have with the Mojo's my balance is generally more towards the centre of the ski than towards the end like a traditional ski.
post #20 of 24
Does anyone know what the Mojo 90 mounting point is supposed to be for? Is it centered for park use, or more all mountain/powder? I need to get mine mounted, but don't have a clue where I should mount them. I won't use them in the park. I have the 176.
post #21 of 24
I've skied with 2 people that were on these, both were on the 186, both had them mounted on the line and hated it and both remounted them 2cm back and loved it there.

I'd go back 1.5cm-2cm.
post #22 of 24
I was in the same boat as you. Had a pair of SX-11 that i loved on hardpack but on my once of year trip to Colorado. They sucked balls on anything not hardpack which is fine on the east coast but on the west coast they were useless. So on my last trip to Colorado I bought some 185 Karmas. They have all but replaced my atomics. They may not carve as good, but they kick the Sx's ass in everythign else. Bumps, crud, powder, trees karmas own. I'll never go back to carvers again. Its not like the Karmas suck at carving either. They're plenty stiff to carve trenches. So bottom line is get some 177 Karmas
post #23 of 24
I have the 186 Mojo 90s and also tried the 176s. My 186s are mounted on the factory line (center) and love them though it took me awhile to get used to that long tail. If I went with the 176s I'd mount them back a bit. Very stable ski at speed, good in powder AND in hard pack and ice, and turn very quickly also. Great "do it all" ski.
post #24 of 24

haha just read this thread and was thinking.. "this seems a little outdated"  hahaha

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