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post #31 of 53
For clipless, the Shimano are so bullet proof, it really is tough to argue with them.
post #32 of 53
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Originally Posted by JohnH View Post
as well as the fact that you can't walk with SPD cleats very easily.
You can walk with SPD cleats just as easily as you can with Crank Bros. cleats. They're roughly the same size and they're both recessed. It also seems that SPDs are much easier for beginners because they have so much less float and you don't have to turn your heel as far to release. Personally though, I prefer Time pedals.

When it comes to the bashguard, I don't really see the point either unless you are constantly hitting the big ring. replacing it with a bash guard does give you a little more clearance because it only has to be (slightly larger than) the diameter of the middle ring.
post #33 of 53
The flats vs clipless is individual taste. There are very good long-time riders who still use flats - so don't let that pressure you.

I have clipless on my roadbike and love them for that - BUT I feel that I have Wayy more time and skills that need to go on the MTB before I go clipless there. I have been beat up far too much already withOUT being locked into the pedals - not being able to dab or bail out for me could be fatal!
post #34 of 53

why not have both?

I really like to be clipped in for a full leg workout including the flexors /hamstrings , but I have had too many wrecks to do single track like that, so I recommend the platform on one side for quick escapes and the shimano cleat on one side only set VERY loose. Even on the first screw notch I have not pulled out when I didnt want to
post #35 of 53
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Originally Posted by Frau View Post
The flats vs clipless is individual taste. There are very good long-time riders who still use flats - so don't let that pressure you.

I have clipless on my roadbike and love them for that - BUT I feel that I have Wayy more time and skills that need to go on the MTB before I go clipless there. I have been beat up far too much already withOUT being locked into the pedals - not being able to dab or bail out for me could be fatal!
Bein' a recent convert to clipless I can say I will never go back to toeclips. I went with the Shimano 540s-third generation pedals. I also went with the multi release cleats. This resulted in a very safe and effective combination. In an emergency bail out your shoes just pop out of the pedals, yet stay clipped in otherwise. IMO this combo is safer than flats with toe clips and way more efficient than flats. Flats are for downhillers.

Most of the aformentioned dangers of not being able to unclip have to do with the single release cleats. Single release only come off in one direction. Multi come off in five. Note: this only applies to Shimano. All other systems are basically single release.
post #36 of 53
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Originally Posted by SNPete View Post
Bein' a recent convert to clipless I can say I will never go back to toeclips. I went with the Shimano 540s-third generation pedals. I also went with the multi release cleats. This resulted in a very safe and effective combination. In an emergency bail out your shoes just pop out of the pedals, yet stay clipped in otherwise. IMO this combo is safer than flats with toe clips and way more efficient than flats. Flats are for downhillers.

Most of the aformentioned dangers of not being able to unclip have to do with the single release cleats. Single release only come off in one direction. Multi come off in five. Note: this only applies to Shimano. All other systems are basically single release.
she's is not using toeclips or am I we are bith using flats....
post #37 of 53
Riding without clips is like skiing without bindings.
post #38 of 53
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Originally Posted by Phil Pugliese View Post
For clipless, the Shimano are so bullet proof, it really is tough to argue with them.
I have the Shimano platform, clipless pedals. Makes it easy to jump on the bike and go for quick ride when I don't have my bike shoes with me.
I still prefer clips.
post #39 of 53
can anybody here give me a take on Crank Bros Mallets?
post #40 of 53
Thread Starter 
http://www.harobikes.com/atb/shiftr5.php so this is what I have had my eye on, has got rave reviews everywhere I have looked.

reviews on MTBR.com http://www.mtbr.com/reviews/xc_full_...t_123086.shtml

also note they have upgraded the components on this years model. also taken into account my schwinn Moab is dieing a slow death right now, and I think anything is going to be a improvement over that bike.

All I have to do is find a local dealer now.
post #41 of 53
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she's is not using toeclips or am I we are bith using flats....
Ah, then forget the safety issue I addressed. Instead consider the 10-15% power gain of clipless. Also on bumpy sections your feet won't slide off the pedals.
post #42 of 53
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Originally Posted by SNPete View Post
Ah, then forget the safety issue I addressed. Instead consider the 10-15% power gain of clipless. Also on bumpy sections your feet won't slide off the pedals.
it is something that I know clipless would be easier to pedal on. I will learn eventually but I put my feet down way to much at this point in tricky(well especially new technical sections) IMO to ride clipped in.
post #43 of 53
My officemate is a serious, heavy-duty mountain biker. (He used to be on a demo team in Missoula with a former bear/former lawyer who's name we can't mention for some unexplained reason.) He says that all his riding buddies use platform pedals with lots of studs.

Personally, if I'm doing a normal, sane ride I like my SPD pedals. If its going to be gnarly I prefer platform pedals.
post #44 of 53
Two Things

1. Clipless is better than flats for xc/ trail/ most mountain riding---and it doesn't take that long to learn either-

2. I've used Times, Shimanos and Crank Bros--and you know what--they all work great-and felt pretty much the same (with slightly different engagement and disengagement movements). Bottom line-I wouldn't think to hard about what pedals to go with when you decide to up to clipless--just hit your facvorite local bike shop and grab the pedals they're offering the best deal on.

This is part of my larger general advice on gear for newbs--don't think to much about it--there's little difference between off the shelf products of a similar price range (and most stuff these days is really, really good--yep, we're in the halcyon days of low-mid range bike products!).
Find a shop you trust, go with what there willing to give you the best deal on (and what fits of course) and ride, ride , ride.

Liam
post #45 of 53
I prefer being clipped in in nearly all situations and would never chose not to be. Whiteroom and I spent yesterday DH-ing at Bromont. We both brought our Times with us and had them installed on the Rocky Mountain RMX rentals. Those bikes are awesome! It took all day to start realizing just how much they could do, and I don't think we had even begun to tap thier potential. I sort of backed off on the last few runs thogh after having half the skin torn off of my butt.
post #46 of 53
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Originally Posted by epic View Post
I prefer being clipped in in nearly all situations and would never chose not to be. Whiteroom and I spent yesterday DH-ing at Bromont. We both brought our Times with us and had them installed on the Rocky Mountain RMX rentals. Those bikes are awesome! It took all day to start realizing just how much they could do, and I don't think we had even begun to tap thier potential. I sort of backed off on the last few runs thogh after having half the skin torn off of my butt.
If you'd wear shorts instead of riding naked, that wouldn't happen.
post #47 of 53
My first day riding clipless I had several clip falls - just like everyone does - one of them happened when I tried to dab in the middle of a creek and didn't release - soaked up to my neck. At least it was a warm day...

I'd never go back, even with the occasional clip fall. I'm just so much more efficient, so much more secure on the downhills. It's truly night and day.

I ride with Time Atacs currently, and I'm happy with them. Next time around I might go for more of a platform pedal, as I switch to flats when I go to Gooseberry Mesa or some other gymnasium type of place where I have a whole bunch of learning/dabbing to do.
post #48 of 53
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Originally Posted by Frau View Post
If you'd wear shorts instead of riding naked, that wouldn't happen.
I was wearing shorts before, but not so much afterwards.
post #49 of 53
Epic should have taken a photo of the sheer rock face that he tried to roll down. It was very impressive, like the rock on the side of a highway. As was the multiple holes through his lycra shorts. After watching him slide the last 10' of a 25' rolldown on his left cheek (and slowly tumble out of sight around a corner at the bottom) I decided to throw my bike and rock climb down.

I'm sorry I laughed when you ground the same cheek into gravely soil a few minutes later, "I really didn't need that..." somehow just seemed really really funny.

Riding that RMX was like my first day on Rossi XXX, that "wow, it really is just a change of equipment to ride like the big dogs..." moment.
post #50 of 53
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
Epic should have taken a photo of the sheer rock face that he tried to roll down. It was very impressive, like the rock on the side of a highway. As was the multiple holes through his lycra shorts. After watching him slide the last 10' of a 25' rolldown on his left cheek (and slowly tumble out of sight around a corner at the bottom) I decided to throw my bike and rock climb down.

I'm sorry I laughed when you ground the same cheek into gravely soil a few minutes later, "I really didn't need that..." somehow just seemed really really funny.

Riding that RMX was like my first day on Rossi XXX, that "wow, it really is just a change of equipment to ride like the big dogs..." moment.
Ahhhh - NOW I get the picture.

Thanks for the visual!

Ouch.
post #51 of 53
Thread Starter 
So some progression today....

Rode for 16.3 miles my longest ride to date(on dirt).

But more importantly I am getting my bunny hop skills back, a couple logs crossing that I would just bang the rear tire off of to get over last week, I can now just jump they are only like 5-8 inches tall but its a start.

I found a local Haro dealer today finally.

I keep getting flats argh, and the schwinn is dieing, shock is making really funny noisies I am thinking about scratch my FS XC bike idea and going with an All-Mountain Model just because how abusive I am .
post #52 of 53
Thread Starter 
Little update
tuesday I order an 06 Haro Shift R5(sweeeett)
Wednesday I did a 27 miles ride on dirt!!! Best ride to date.
Friday(tonight) did a 15 mile ride at very fast pace with the allegheny county mountain bike festival, old bike is suffering now though. front suspension is no longer functional, stuff is rattling, and the headset is really lose. The Haro needs to get here like yesterday.
post #53 of 53
Thread Starter 
So Here was my weekended(updating if anyone is actually reading)

Saturday Morning, its hot and humid already in the burgh. I want to ride anyways. Loaded up the maja's minivan with my buddy and head to high ground to go riding. Arrive at my old home away from home Hidden Valley, Pa do a small couple mile loop on a kinda of overgrown cross country trail. Was having a good time but figure 7springs would be more fun.

Pack up the car head over to Seven Springs, PA. Go to the rec center, they have super cheap rentals with lift tickets included. So me and my buddy rent some sweet Kona rentals bikes in hindsight it was really good decision. Because we were about to ride this..


12 miles of single tracks, and fire roads, with some very tech rock gardens await us. Not to mention 3600 feet of climbing. My bike would of folded in half I think on this trail.
me going over one of the easy rock gardens there

it took me and my bud 3 hour to do the whole trail, I waited a bunch as he besides the past month of biking with me hasnt done anything remotely athletic. The climb were killing him, and call me a sick person but I like climbing only one that was wearing on my was the last one up the North Summit at Seven Springs(600 feet by itself) with that said anyone who can drive to Seven Springs should maek the trip it is really good riding with a good mix of everything.

on Sunday it was to a local spot know as Hartwood Acres with Allegheny county Mountain Bike fest, pretty small little park but tons of really nice maintained trails in it. rockiest Rootiest trail in Allegheny County, also something for everyone. smooth singletracks with little climbing to rocky and rooty climbs, stump bridges tons of log crossings, creeks, downhills, twisty single track, my new favorite place to ride in the burgh.

My group leader was a great teacher and helped me and our group out alot. He showed how to do bridges and also how to get over logs with no piles. Also did my first riding in the rain, actually not bad in fact fun. I havent got to play in the mud since I was like 12.

Overall a great weekend, I need to start taking more pictures. Next ride should be with the new bike, so excited!!!!

untill the next ride

Josh
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