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90mm wheels policy in Italy

post #1 of 7
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Hello Comprex...
Yesterday evening the Inline speed European Championship (Seniores) has come to an end after a week of races (and a total of two weeks, including Artistic and Hockey) http://www.euro-rollergames2006.it/eng/index.html

I was a bit disappointed by the crowd...after all it was an international event, but there was no Television broadcasting, and the crowd was less than at a sunday afternoon village footbal play.

Anyway
I was talking to my sons' coach about your question (90mm or taller wheels)
For Juniores (if you meant the category and not young athletes in general) the norm is 100 mm wheels.
My older son was in the "Ragazzi" and was running on 84mm wheels (began with 80mm last year)
post #2 of 7
Matteo, that is even more interesting than I expected.

There is a cult here, particularly amongst 100mm skaters, of "ankle strength".

There are few guidelines, however, on how to achieve or train for AS and most of it about as advanced as sending boxers to chop wood.

Most other testimonials boil down to 'go out and skate and you will get stronger'. Fine in itself, as more base miles may just also lend better balance through better form.

Now, it seems very chancy to do such things with young athletes in general, though, granted, shorter legs and narrower hips make balance transfer a bit easier than with adults.

I was after an impression of how much training work is specifically devoted to gliding form, before and after a switch to large wheels.

PS I am completely envious of your banked tracks!
post #3 of 7
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Hello Comprex, sorry for taking such a long time but I mulled the answer over and over...
Based on my observation, and by all means I'm not a SME (Subject Matter Expert):
-Certainly the "cult" is here too, but for young skaters it's limited to
obtain the permission from coaches to mount the fabled 100 mm wheels underneath their shoes.
-Ankle strength, like sensibility, smoothness of glide etc is part of the
tech baggage of a skater, and for young ones is being build up, with miles and miles of skating.
-During the winter, some dry training is done, by gliding on a smooth, polished surface with wool socks instead of the skates 8left-right-left right) boring but it really helps.
-Strength improvements must be overall and not only dedicated to one particular part of the athlete body (Skating is lower body/upper body asymmetrical enough, IMHO), along with resilience and breath...
-My sons' coaches line is, first boys must enjoy the sport, have fun then the rest. A relaxed and happy boy is a winning one, even if it comes in last. This does not mean that they do not push them, rather, they want to see them give all that the boy can, this per se it's a victory, even if it leads to a last place. Success will come with the right mind attitude, with time.
-I first saw a banked track this spring at Easter, it was a senior competition (and one of the coaches older brother was competing).
It was really, really fun to watch. I enjoyed it.
Cheers, Matt!
post #4 of 7
Well,
we have both slide boards and 100mm wheels but whatever you guys are doing it works:
http://www.fihp.org/corsa/rrunn/2006...S%A0M_1024.htm

With the exception of France in road racing, no one else comes close.

There must be something about that mind attitude that's different than here.

I suspect that there is a different expectation of improvement per unit effort, not so much by the coaches as by the athletes themselves. Related to a work ethic, but more of an, hmm, would you consider the term 'aspiration ethic'?

"All that the boy can" is very good, but it seems your boys know in their bones that they can be the best.

Just wondering, because I hear a lot of "Oh, I can improve my marathon time to 1:44, 10 minutes better than last year" as a justifiable training goal, then I hear "Why do I bother doing this?" as the motivation flags.
post #5 of 7
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Ehe, I could have been the official multi lingual translator of the championship that week, but alas, I asked too much money for the organizators pockets (or tastes)...It would have been a "first" for me, a way to get closer to my sons' chosen sport.
Nevertheless I've been there, in Cassano, two/three evenings out of the whole week.
BTW , the marathon race has been run in the Monza F1 race ring, did you know that?
We did not watch it, instead preferred a lazy day by the lake, catching the sun...
As for expectation, just yesaterday, a young boy has started training with the team, he barely can skate, he's got recreational skates with 76mm wheels, the coach was put down, knowing the amount of work she'll have to put into him, but I know that, if that same boy
by the next season end, will have made progresses to the point to be able to skate in a race, come in last, and still smile with pleasure, She will feel mightly rewarded.
She defines her "job" as "having boys do all they can, give everything they have and possibly more" and then, as someone here said "have a smile on their face". Which it doesn't mean not to be serious about racing.
Apparently now, the idea is to put the boys on 100 mm wheels but only during training, and have them with 90mm wheels at races.

As per "unit of effort"...Her older brother still competes at 34, not in the masters, but in the Seniors...and is still happy and performing well, despite the age gap with the top racers (at least 6 to 10 or more years younger)
So much that he logged a fourth at the Italian championships this year.
BTW, she's the Italian girl I refer to in another thread (Flaviaman thread about M.I.)

TTFN
post #6 of 7
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Yesterday I went to a race my two sons' team was participating into,
We've (the coachettes I mean) observed that most of the youngs are at least on 90mm if not already on 100 mm wheels
This and the voice we got that the 84 mm will soon be put out of production
has induced the decision taken by the coachettes (sp?) to have all the older
boys (14 y.o. and older) on 100mm and my sons on 90mm
No real reason to have them stay on 84mm, no real advantage.
post #7 of 7
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Hello all.
Went to see the Italian Indoor championships, for the categories Ragazzi/Allievi (categories from 11 to 15 y.o.) FEB 23-24-25, pictures here
http://www.fihp.org/corsa/lista_imma...kip=0&userdata=


The young guns cat Ragazzi were using 90mm wheels (my son included). The Allievi were already using the 100 mm wheels...
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