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post #1 of 20
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I am in search of a pair of race boots (Plug or non plug boots) that I can use for everyday freeskiing. I currently own a pair of Head M103R ti boots that fit me well, but I think are too soft. I have a high instep, and a moderatly wide foot. The heads are the first pair of boots that doesn't cause instep pain. I am curently looking at the new Salomon Falcon race/S-lab plug or the Head RS 100/RD 96. Are there any other race boots that would be suitable?
post #2 of 20
I have a backup pair of RT:CS boots from atomic... They are (to my knowlege) the exact same boot as the TI (the full out Plug) exept a little more toe room... You should look at those too they are amazing.
post #3 of 20
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Originally Posted by TMAS29
I have a backup pair of RT:CS boots from atomic... They are (to my knowlege) the exact same boot as the TI (the full out Plug) exept a little more toe room... You should look at those too they are amazing.
I have both. The CS has a thinner shell, but it's most notable in the forefoot. Liners are also different with the TI version being a tad firmer and narrower. Also, the "soft" plug is considerably stiffer than the "soft" CS. Both are great boots, but insteps are rather low.
post #4 of 20
I run the Head RS80, I like them alot and with the full custom system I was really able to dial in the fit myself so I can race and ski all day. If you need a stiffer boot then the RS100 should fit the bill.
post #5 of 20
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Originally Posted by mchase83
I am in search of a pair of race boots (Plug or non plug boots) that I can use for everyday freeskiing. I currently own a pair of Head M103R ti boots that fit me well, but I think are too soft. I have a high instep, and a moderatly wide foot. The heads are the first pair of boots that doesn't cause instep pain. I am curently looking at the new Salomon Falcon race/S-lab plug or the Head RS 100/RD 96. Are there any other race boots that would be suitable?

I have the Tecnica Icon Alu Comp shell which is a similar width to your Heads. I have a D width foot (100mm forefoot width. This is medium). I tried on a few plugs and i can tell you that the Lange WC 150 (full plug) is a boot you could try on. I do not know how wide your heel is but the boot should fit the rest of the foot pretty well. The instep is very high (this is good for you), the forefoot is medium (fits my forefoot pretty well out of the box)and the ankle/heel is quite narrow. In this area the boot requires a fair amount of fitting.

Keep in mind that the WC 150's cuff is roomy. It does not work well for a skinny lower leg.

Real9999 is absolutely correct. I tried on the RT plug (this year's Ti) and it has a lower instep. Its forefoot is pretty wide for a plug, but that's the way it was designed to work. The boot is very tight in the ankle/heel and mid foot while the fore foot and especially the toe box are wider. The fit is more accomodating in the forefoot and toe box because the toes need to sit flat in the toe box. This creates a more athletic stance and the skier is better balanced. I found the toe box pretty wide (although from the first met-head it is tight fitting). Because the rest of the foot is held so well, the toes can have more room to articulate and create a more athletic stance. This is how my current boot fits. It is very tight in the ankle/heel/instep/lower leg and comfortable in the forefoot and toe box. Most of the control comes from the ankle/heel/instep/lower leg. Thus the toe box can be comfortable, warm and i will have my toe nails at the end of the day


Jamie
post #6 of 20
i need good all mountain boots, i race and park..... any1 got any ideas?
post #7 of 20
The Head RD96 has an EXTREMELY low instep, the lowest in any boot I have tested. I think the sollies you mention will work well, as they aren't the lowest-volume plug out there. As sywsyw says, look at the RL11 as well. If you have a wide forefoot I would stay away from the Dobie 150 (my boot)/Diablo Race R, as the amount of grinding and stretching to get it wide enough would be extremely laborious and expensive. FWIW, I have a C width foot.
post #8 of 20
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Originally Posted by doublediamond223
I think the sollies you mention will work well, as they aren't the lowest-volume plug out there.
Have you tried the new Falcon plug? I know nothing about it, but supposedly it fits differently than the previous boots.
post #9 of 20
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Originally Posted by real9999
Have you tried the new Falcon plug? I know nothing about it, but supposedly it fits differently than the previous boots.
Greg Hoffman had a pre-release pair in his Vail shop, but I didn't really ask him much about them. They were something like a 24, so I couldn't try them.
post #10 of 20
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Originally Posted by doublediamond223
The Head RD96 has an EXTREMELY low instep, the lowest in any boot I have tested. I think the sollies you mention will work well, as they aren't the lowest-volume plug out there. As sywsyw says, look at the RL11 as well. If you have a wide forefoot I would stay away from the Dobie 150 (my boot)/Diablo Race R, as the amount of grinding and stretching to get it wide enough would be extremely laborious and expensive. FWIW, I have a C width foot.
I would disagree with that. the Atomic Rt is much lower. I ski in the RD96 and have a substantial instep.An RT won't buckle properly my instep (very very low)and we did no stretching or grinding of the RD96 over the instep. Salomon usually has a lot of room over the instep. I have a wide forefoot and the RD 96 worked fine with a lot of grinding. But plugs are made to be ground and custom fit.
post #11 of 20
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Originally Posted by Atomicman
I would disagree with that. the Atomic Rt is much lower. I ski in the RD96 and have a substantial instep.An RT won't buckle properly my instep (very very low)and we did no stretching or grinding of the RD96 over the instep. Salomon usually has a lot of room over the instep. I have a wide forefoot and the RD 96 worked fine with a lot of grinding. But plugs are made to be ground and custom fit.
The RD felt narrower and lower-volume to me everywhere than the RT. All I have to go on are those two initial impressions; you're probably right, given that you've skied both of them. The RT just did not work for my feet, for some reason. My right foot was in agony from the moment I put it into the RT, even though it was only a 28 (my dobies are 27s). I had trouble getting the RD to buckle just as you had trouble buckling the RT. Everyone's anatomy is different, I guess...
post #12 of 20
I have a fairly wide foot, and ran the Dobie 150 last season. I did break down and have it softened a bit as bumps were a bit much in sub--zero weather, but I did use them every day. The worst part was getting them on and off, but somehow I managed and it was worth the effort.
post #13 of 20
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Originally Posted by epic
I have a fairly wide foot, and ran the Dobie 150 last season. I did break down and have it softened a bit as bumps were a bit much in sub--zero weather, but I did use them every day. The worst part was getting them on and off, but somehow I managed and it was worth the effort.
Getting them off sucks, flat out. I usually sat for about 10 minutes in the lodge while waiting for the shells to unfreeze enough to where it was slightly less than excruciating to get them off of my feet.
post #14 of 20
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Originally Posted by doublediamond223
Getting them off sucks, flat out. I usually sat for about 10 minutes in the lodge while waiting for the shells to unfreeze enough to where it was slightly less than excruciating to get them off of my feet.
Carry a hair dryer in your equipment bag. Only takes a minute or so for it to warm up your boots so that they come off much easier.
post #15 of 20
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Originally Posted by epic
I have a fairly wide foot, and ran the Dobie 150 last season. I did break down and have it softened a bit as bumps were a bit much in sub--zero weather, but I did use them every day. The worst part was getting them on and off, but somehow I managed and it was worth the effort.
I switched to the Dobie 150 from my XTs pretty late in the season last year and found them a huge improvement in the course and on hard pack. I think the more upright stance was part of that for me and I was extremely happy with them. However in some of the heavy wet stuff that fell about the end of March I found them to be a major PITA and extremely hard work . Certainly left me worried about using them as an all mountain boot.

Did you cut them to soften or just remove one of the bolts?
post #16 of 20
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Originally Posted by ScotsSkier
I switched to the Dobie 150 from my XTs pretty late in the season last year and found them a huge improvement in the course and on hard pack. I think the more upright stance was part of that for me and I was extremely happy with them. However in some of the heavy wet stuff that fell about the end of March I found them to be a major PITA and extremely hard work . Certainly left me worried about using them as an all mountain boot.

Did you cut them to soften or just remove one of the bolts?
A friend of mine skis in them and said Iinstalling booster straps made the flex alot more user friendly!
post #17 of 20
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Originally Posted by mchase83
I am in search of a pair of race boots (Plug or non plug boots) that I can use for everyday freeskiing. I currently own a pair of Head M103R ti boots that fit me well, but I think are too soft. I have a high instep, and a moderatly wide foot. The heads are the first pair of boots that doesn't cause instep pain. I am curently looking at the new Salomon Falcon race/S-lab plug or the Head RS 100/RD 96. Are there any other race boots that would be suitable?

If you like the M103R, but want more I would try a tecnica diablo mag. I have the 103 & found it unresponsive & too low (I added an ant spoiler).

I also have Dobie WC 150 (too stiff for me except in the SL course) & the Head WC Plug (current race boot).

This season I'll be in the tecnica diablo fire for all day skiing & rec. racing. I find the tecnicas more freindly, yet tall/stiff enough to drive a ski
post #18 of 20
I find the Head Rd 96 excellent for everyday skiing. All the race boots are cold though.

Plenty of material in the lower shell so grinding is not a problem when it comes to fit!
post #19 of 20
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Originally Posted by Atomicman
I find the Head Rd 96 excellent for everyday skiing. All the race boots are cold though.
I think I would have gotten severe frostbite on my toes if not for my gape-tastic boot gloves.
post #20 of 20
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Originally Posted by ScotsSkier
Did you cut them to soften or just remove one of the bolts?
I took the bolt out and then put it back in when I couldn't feel any difference. I then cut down the sides of the shoe and that made a difference. Almost too soft on the warm days. It was noticeable on the first run. I also use the boosters and buckle the cuff super loose when I'm gaping around on cold days.
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