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post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 
I'm new to this forum. Here's a description of me/my skiing

41, 6-2 215 lbs

Strong, aggressive skier (few jumps though anymore , 60-40 on off piste, but 75% eastern skier. I learned skiing late - in my early 20s. I mostly ski at Stratton (have family there and it's convenient, plus I like the consistent surface). I ski Stratton/other VT about 20 days last year and Utah for 6 or 7 days. I live in Mass and try to head up whenever there is fresh snow to the smaller VT places like Magic, Mad River, Sugarbush who have older style narrow trails but need natural cover. Also love Jay Peak for powder days and trees. I love steep slopes.

I usually make 1-2 week trips to Utah and one other place out west somewhere - Colorado, Tahoe are my favorites.

I lost 2 pairs of skis in a fire this spring - my beloved but aging T3 Power Volants 183 length, which I loved because of their stability, ability to go anywhere, carve and handle crud. Also had an even older pair of Rossi 4s's 198 length which were good mainly for carving but I used rarely.

I'm looking for something stable, good in light powder, occasional deeper stuff. Must handle crud, crust and ice on a regular basis. I love skiing non-groomed terrain, moguls, trees, when I get the chance bowls and mild BC. Also love to ski technical snow (crust, crud, windpack, powder if I can find it), so no twitchy tips please. I tried and hated some Rossi bandits two years ago after they promised I'd throw away my Volants (yea right, nope those things couldn't hack my heavy skiing style I guess darned tips were always catching .

I tend to make medium turns and prefer a little longer skis. Speed is not important to me, control and ability to make quick turns is, but I like the stability (stiffness) too. I guess the way I'd put it is I'm not looking for a pure mogul ski, but something that can handle snow in the woods and do OK in the bumps.

A friend recommended Fischer AMC 76, probably a 176 length. I had heard some review here that said they hated em. But I'm considering throwing that one out because of all the positive reviews elsewhere.

Any other recommendations? Feedback on the AMC 76s or even 79s? Does K2 have anything? I'm not looking for a ton of sidecut, probably something in the 75-85mm waist range I guess that's midfat these days.

Thanks alot for any help
post #2 of 19
I own the AMC 76's, did a review here last season. Precise, quick, around ski, signature liveliness and snow feel liked by some, too responsive for others. May be too light if you're big/aggressive skier. I'd suggest a Dynastar Legend 8000 if you like the French feel - it's as versatile and smoother in crud - or if you want Teutonic, the Volkl AC-3/4. Good reviews of all here, they'll handle anything you dish out, but still somewhat forgiving.
post #3 of 19
Quote:
Originally Posted by ct55
I'm new to this forum. Here's a description of me/my skiing

41, 6-2 215 lbs

Strong, aggressive skier (few jumps though anymore , 60-40 on off piste, but 75% eastern skier. I learned skiing late - in my early 20s. I mostly ski at Stratton (have family there and it's convenient, plus I like the consistent surface). I ski Stratton/other VT about 20 days last year and Utah for 6 or 7 days. I live in Mass and try to head up whenever there is fresh snow to the smaller VT places like Magic, Mad River, Sugarbush who have older style narrow trails but need natural cover. Also love Jay Peak for powder days and trees. I love steep slopes.

I usually make 1-2 week trips to Utah and one other place out west somewhere - Colorado, Tahoe are my favorites.

I lost 2 pairs of skis in a fire this spring - my beloved but aging T3 Power Volants 183 length, which I loved because of their stability, ability to go anywhere, carve and handle crud. Also had an even older pair of Rossi 4s's 198 length which were good mainly for carving but I used rarely.

I'm looking for something stable, good in light powder, occasional deeper stuff. Must handle crud, crust and ice on a regular basis. I love skiing non-groomed terrain, moguls, trees, when I get the chance bowls and mild BC. Also love to ski technical snow (crust, crud, windpack, powder if I can find it), so no twitchy tips please. I tried and hated some Rossi bandits two years ago after they promised I'd throw away my Volants (yea right, nope those things couldn't hack my heavy skiing style I guess darned tips were always catching .

I tend to make medium turns and prefer a little longer skis. Speed is not important to me, control and ability to make quick turns is, but I like the stability (stiffness) too. I guess the way I'd put it is I'm not looking for a pure mogul ski, but something that can handle snow in the woods and do OK in the bumps.

A friend recommended Fischer AMC 76, probably a 176 length. I had heard some review here that said they hated em. But I'm considering throwing that one out because of all the positive reviews elsewhere.

Any other recommendations? Feedback on the AMC 76s or even 79s? Does K2 have anything? I'm not looking for a ton of sidecut, probably something in the 75-85mm waist range I guess that's midfat these days.

Thanks alot for any help
The K2 recon is a midfat that is good ski for variable snow. It is a good k2 ski but I thought it was heavy and hard to throw around when necessary but very good in broken and heavier snow.
What it sounds like you are looking for is the AC-4 by Volkl . Check out the reviews of both . I think the AC-4 owners have a higher degree of excitement and belief that their purchase was a good one.
Another ski you might like is the Atomic Metron B-5
Check them out through the search bar on the top of the page you will find many opinions. Sort them out and demo when you can and make your own mind up. There is no better comparison than skiing on them and making a decision from your own experiences
post #4 of 19
I agree with what has been said...

AC4
Recon
M11 B5
Sweet Daddy
Nordica Top Fuel
post #5 of 19
I would consider a ski with strong grip on ice that also stays stable in crud. The Atomic M11 B5 fits the stated requirements very well. It's a short turning carver with strong performance on ice and also on the natural conditions found in Vermont.

The Elan Magfire 10, Rossignol Zenith Z9 & the 2007 Volkl AC3 also fit the bill. You will be very pleased with the fall-line & quick turning ability of these models. They provide a big improvement over older models form several years ago. Grip on ice will be better and boot-top deep natural snow will be a joy. Truly deep snow will require a much wider ski at your size, I would just rent/demo a fatty on those truly deep snow days days.

Cheers,

Michael
post #6 of 19
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Originally Posted by ct55

41, 6-2 215 lbs

Strong, aggressive skier ,
60-40 on off piste, but 75% eastern skier.
Stratton/other VT about 20 days,
Utah for 6 or 7 days.
powder days and trees.
steep slopes.

stable, good in light powder, occasional deeper stuff.
Must handle crud, crust and ice ,non-groomed terrain, moguls, trees, bowls and mild BC.

ability to make quick turns ,
something that can handle snow in the woods and do OK in the bumps.
something in the 75-85mm waist range
That's easy. Volkl AC4, in a 177 or 184.
post #7 of 19
Another vote for Volkl AC 4. They are great in boot deep powder and crud. I also own Volkl 5* and the AC4 can make the same turns even on hardpack with just a little more work.
Great all round skis.
post #8 of 19
Thread Starter 
Thanks guys - I will check out the Volkls for sure. I have heard the 5*, even someone mentioned 6* if there is such a thing. AC4 sounds like a good candidate overall.

I agree that with the amount of pow days I get per year (maybe a handful) having a real fattie underfoot is not worth it. I absolutely adore Alta and Solitude and get to enjoy them several days a year so it must be able to handle a typical 8-14 inch dump that I've seen there when I've been. One of my best days last year was at Dutch Draw over at The Canyons. Sigh ... if only I could live in SLC I'd probably be a happier skier overall .
post #9 of 19
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Originally Posted by carbonissimo
That's easy. Volkl AC4, in a 177 or 184.
I just knew you would chime in on this one. You were one of the highly satisfied customers I was referring to.
If I hadn't purchased the Allstar, and no regrets there, I would have bought the AC-4
post #10 of 19
AC 3 could be a better choice than the AC 4 for eastern skiing. When you go West rent a ski. If you plan to buy the AC 4, demo it.

I also would like to point out the Volkl 5s. This is a very easy ski to ski with incredible performance. You might be a bit heavy for it.

The Top Fuel could be a great choice, too. Could be a handful, but the performance...!
post #11 of 19
The Dynastar Legend 8000 could also be a great choice. That deserves a close look.

The AC 4 is a great ski, but for me it was too squirrely. That could be a good thing is eastern woods and bumps. Any eastern ski has to be able to handle bumps. It's also good in crud. It's just not a ski that matched what I do. It's like a slalom ski for crud.
post #12 of 19
Your skiing description sounds very similar to mine in terms of where and what you generally ski. My question to you is why get a wider waisted ski that is really inappropriate for the type of skiing that you are going to be doing 90% of the time? Far better in my opinion to check out some of the Cross skis in the 66-70 waist range. It never hurts to have a fat pair as a back up, as I did for many years, but now my fat skis for going out west have a 68mm waist. In previous years when I was hauling midfat skis out west as my primary pair, I found that they were not nearly as fun on the groomers, and were not noticably better in deeper snow. Especially since you are going to be skiing mainly in the east. I'm going to demo some of the midfats this year, most notably the ones that are biased towards carving, such as the Elan Magfire, Nordica series, etc. I did try a pair of the Nordica Modifeds last year with a 74mm waist that I thought were pretty good, maybe the Nordica Top Fuel with a 78mm waist might be a good one to try, although they were not a big seller here in the east from what the shop guys tell me, at least in the longer lengths. There was a lot of them left over at the end of the year selling for cheap money.
post #13 of 19
Thread Starter 
Hmm ... AC4 squirrly eh? That's one element I can't stand because I like the loose stuff, which can be found even around here at times.

Might have to bite the bullet and wait/demo/pay full price for whatever I get. Unless I can find a deal of course ....

I was under the impression the wider waisted midfats are improved as far as carving performance. At least if you listen to the marketing
post #14 of 19
The Recons, AC4, AC3, 8000 and AMC 76 all sound like good choices for your kind of skiing BUT I think you will find most of them significantly different from the unique feel of your Volants. DEMO
post #15 of 19
Paul Jones,

What size was that squirrel?
post #16 of 19
Any ski with as much side cut as most midfats are have larger shovels and shape into the middle. This is a large flat surface and it prefers to be set on edge . Even edging slightly will remove this feeling. I have found this in all the midfats I have tried. The straighter and stiffer models repond more like a gs ski and have less of this effect. But then you are skiing a less turny model and you don't get the qualities you are looking for as far as turn radius with some float

There are always tradeoffs with skis The more you experience differant types you will find this out for yourself.

What Paul referred to are on approaches to flats and straightlines that you would tuck and go on a straighter ski.You need to demo and feel this for yourself.

Squirrels, there are no squirrels in skis, chickenheads on the slopes sometimes but not squirrels. Those AC-4's will handle the chickenheads also as will some of the heavier models you are looking at.
I like the stiffness of the AC-4 it gives you stability without the battleship on your feet feeling some midfats give you.
Demo.demo ,demo
post #17 of 19
Another vote for the Nordica Top Fuel. I'm only an upper intermediate at 6'6" 190lbs and had no problem skiing them all season. For me they displayed very good grip and prefer medium to long turns. They probably do short turns well also, but my lack of ability in that area prevents a good critique. They're fine in bumps and great in powder and will blast through almost anything with great stability. I ski them in the 178 and the only downside to me is they seem heavy.
post #18 of 19

A Slalom Ski for Trees and Powder

That says it all.

It was a 177.

Understand that I ski on the 724 Pro, and that is a ski that you have to turn, somewhat.
post #19 of 19
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Originally Posted by Paul Jones
The AC 4 is a great ski, but for me it was too squirrely.
Really?????? I liked it 100% more than my 724 Pro's. I skied both in a 170.
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