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Scottish cable car accident

post #1 of 18
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Two cable cars made contact at Aonach Mor in the Nevis Range causing one car to derail. Five injured one serious.

No cause for the accident was given ..... high winds??
post #2 of 18
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Originally Posted by Yuki
Two cable cars made contact at Aonach Mor in the Nevis Range causing one car to derail. Five injured one serious.

No cause for the accident was given ..... high winds??
Yes, the cause was high winds ballooning the riders' kilts........
post #3 of 18
Whistler is planning on a gondola from peak to peak with a pretty deep chasm in between . I want to go but my daughter doesn't even like the one at Silver Mountain that's not hight at all.
Wouldn't this accident be about the scariest thing possible skiing.? You are all safe and enclosed and then the outside environment is exposed to you and at heighth. Talk about feeling fragile
post #4 of 18

It could be worse

Oh I don't know about the scariest. Having a US fighter plane cut your gondola cable and send you plummeting to the earth might be scarier.
post #5 of 18
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Originally Posted by therusty
Oh I don't know about the scariest. Having a US fighter plane cut your gondola cable and send you plummeting to the earth might be scarier.
Seriously, didnt that happen not too long ago? Or am i thinking of someones nightmare?
post #6 of 18

operator error claimed....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/s...ds/5189324.stm

Aonach Mhor run the lifts all year round. Not sure about teh present but they used to make more revenue from summer tourists and mountain biking than skiers
post #7 of 18
let's see...a clamp fails to latch onto the cable properly but it is obviously operator error.

There is a very proper acronym for this, it is called cya.
post #8 of 18
The Italian accident was February 1998 when a Marine EA-6B hit the cable supporting the cable car.

Here are some articles on the case.

http://topics.nytimes.com/top/refere...hby/index.html
post #9 of 18
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Originally Posted by therusty
Oh I don't know about the scariest. Having a US fighter plane cut your gondola cable and send you plummeting to the earth might be scarier.
Especially for the pilot who was missing part of his plane and the unlucky passengers on the gondolas that had no good end coming
post #10 of 18
IIRC, the pilot claimed he was unaware of the accident, but was convicted of obstruction of justice for removing videotape evidence from the plane. Maybe he was scared at the time, maybe he got scared later, maybe he got scared in military prison.
post #11 of 18
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Originally Posted by GarryZ
Whistler is planning on a gondola from peak to peak with a pretty deep chasm in between . I want to go but my daughter doesn't even like the one at Silver Mountain that's not hight at all.
Wouldn't this accident be about the scariest thing possible skiing.? You are all safe and enclosed and then the outside environment is exposed to you and at heighth. Talk about feeling fragile
It is going to be a lift with 12 person cars, it is about 3 miles across and should take about 11 minutes. There will be only 2 towers at each end. One terminal right near the Roundhouse at whistler and the other near the Rendevous at Blackomb. It will have about 30 cars with one leaving about every 30 seconds. The height in the center: 1400 feet (about 480 meters)

Cost $50 Million.they are looking for a private investor to partner with them!
post #12 of 18
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Originally Posted by Atomicman
.... The height in the center: 1400 feet (about 480 meters) ....
I bet the BASE jumpers are already starting to get their plans together.
post #13 of 18
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Originally Posted by therusty
IIRC, the pilot claimed he was unaware of the accident, but was convicted of obstruction of justice for removing videotape evidence from the plane. Maybe he was scared at the time, maybe he got scared later, maybe he got scared in military prison.
I find that hard to believe . I beileve you but not the pilot saying here didn't feel the contact.
It must have been the first thing that popped into his head when questioned

Exceptionally irresponsible
post #14 of 18
I'm not a pilot, but I do have a Holiday Inn Express reservation tonight in Skeptic City. A couple of things I'm not skeptical about are that the plane was less than 370 above ground and traveling at a high rate of speed relative to that height and the kind of terrain that a ski resort can be found in. It's not too hard imagine that the pilots focus was down as he passed underneath the cable. One of the reports I read said that the plane made an emergency landing immediately after the accident. Another report said that plane parts were found at the accident scene. It's not to hard to imagine the pilot thinking he had simply experienced a mechanical failure and returned to base. It's clear he was not aware of the ski resort location and especially the specifics of the gondola hazard. It's not clear whether or not he was intentionally below his permitted altitude, but it is believable that he could not imagine running into anything else. It was a training mission. You are supposed to make mistakes when training. I'm sure to sing a different tune after my skeptics license is renewed.

I once saw a snowboard instructor accidentally and unknowingly chop down a pine tree while riding down a trail. He simply made a turn close to the edge of the trail. He later said he felt contact but thought nothing of it. I was far enough behind to watch the 4 foot tree fall over and slide into the middle of the trail. So I picked it up and carried it off to the side of the trail to get it out of the way. Just then, the event coordinator was riding the chair overhead. All he saw was one of his guys riding down the slope with an Xmas tree on his shoulder. He did not believe my explanation either.
post #15 of 18
You have been using that Holiday Inn Exprress license all over the net.
I am a member of their club and got the card to prove it. Now I can get some good use out of it.

Now that snowboarder must have been using one of those newfangled magna -traction boards and I am finding this very believable. But clipping a gondola cable at mach speeds(current definition of going real fast)and not having a clue especially after viewing the plane after well that is tough to swallow.
.He must have lost his faith in American airplane production quality
post #16 of 18
At those speeds the cable cutting a wing or tail section might've been like a knife cutting through warm butter. The effect of a lessening of control, caused by the damage likely was noticeable and alarming but the impact may have been imperceptable. I remember when an F105 pilot making an approach for a landing clipped a cessna taking off from a nearby field, taking off the Cessna's wing and causing it to crash. The impact on the fighter plane was said to be very slight and the damage to it not very severe even though it essentially knocked the other aircraft out of the sky.
post #17 of 18

Re: Pilots cutting cables

I've a good friend who USED to be a senior pilot with the Navy based out of Whidbey Island (Washington), the Navy used to have (still does?) a group of fighters (F16? A16? Tomcats?) that seemed to have a very high accident rate.

Friend told me piliots love to come as close to high power cables and towers in the Southern Cascades as possible, numerous cables have been cut, and there have been a fair number of accidents.

After retiring from the Navy my friend went to work for Boeing, hopefully the same things are not going on with
767's.....
post #18 of 18
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Originally Posted by flaviaman
I've a good friend who USED to be a senior pilot with the Navy based out of Whidbey Island (Washington), the Navy used to have (still does?) a group of fighters (F16? A16? Tomcats?) that seemed to have a very high accident rate.

Friend told me piliots love to come as close to high power cables and towers in the Southern Cascades as possible, numerous cables have been cut, and there have been a fair number of accidents.

After retiring from the Navy my friend went to work for Boeing, hopefully the same things are not going on with
767's.....
Seems a bit suicidal and with expensive equipment. Like playing chicken with 50 million dollar cars
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